Game of Thrones: Aftermath (OOC)

[Givious]

I may be biased but I still think a Stark regency is best House Stark has always had good relations with House Baratheon and only sixty years ago it also stood together with House Tully in the War of the Five Kings. Also, there is the nice settling fact that the Vale is ruled by people related to House Stark by blood. We have connections :3

But then the High Septon would shout 'heathens do not sit the Iron Throne' or some such, and that is never good.

Remember, last time he did that people were paid for scalps...

[New Frenco Empire]

But then the High Septon would shout 'heathens do not sit the Iron Throne' or some such, and that is never good.

He may just but i've never really made attempts to forcibly convert anyone and there is the fact that the Hand can sit on the Iron Throne and that during the ten years Rickon has been Hand I am sure the Queen has been sick a few times and he has stood in to act on her behalf a few times

Daenerys doesn't get sick.

[Givious]

But I guess Vesarys will be going to the Hand of the King... so Stark boy... I'm comin to see you *knock knock*

[Keznov]

But I guess Vesarys will be going to the Hand of the King... so Stark boy... I'm comin to see you *knock knock*

Stark boy? I'll have you know that Rickon Stark is at the ripe old age of 66

[Mormak]

Truly? Balon had no qualm about seeking alliance with the Lannister's Casterly rock, Especially when the title of king was dangled. Not just granted, but acknowledged, Admittedly the situation is different, the Isles are Independent now but that can change.

Indeed? How long would the Isles survive Lannister Siege? Their Mines are filled with tin and iron that can only be dug from deep beneath the earth, their soil exhausted and sparse. There is a surefire method of victory, Merely having forces capable of keeping them from the resources to sustain life would win that battle. Longships will be crushed beneath the Lannister fleet, Twenty will scatter a hundred once again.

How Long would Pyke survive siege with no support? Four Months? A Year? It doesn't matter overly. Casterly will endure and it will stand the test of time, and it will see the fall of Greyjoy. Its a pity that Alliance is immediately out of the question based upon the merits of blood, which to me is laughable considering the blood of Balon is hardly worthy of fame, he sat upon a mountain of failure, Tommen sat upon a throne.

But as i said before, writ would be preferable to blood if that could occur.

Balon also had no qualm to burn whole Lannister fleet at one day.

Years. And before you can try it, there is still Grand Iron Fleet. Sunset Sea is still under Ironborn control, and they learned much from previous conflicts. No simple raiders anymore, but cruel disciplined warriors with no fear, fanatically devoted to Drowned God like Victarion.

But Ironborn are also patient, so we'll just wait when Lannisters will be weak and soft again. Then we will simply take everything what is ours.

btw. you can't fight Ironborn in same way like greenlanders. lessons and cold cruelty doesn't works there. If you want to stop them, you must kill them all. Not just house, but all it's people. Every single island, every single castle full of people devoted to bloodshed and mayhem.
Andals couldn't subdue them, as well as Targaryens and Baratheons. No matter if there still be House Greyjoy, Ironborn will always return, only stronger.

What is dead may never die, but rises again, harder and stronger.

I'd say he paid for that oversight no? First to Baratheon, Then to Stark, Then to Lannister and then to Stark again!

Years? Unless if your Islands magically got a lot bigger, doubt it. Theon observed during the war of kings that there was sparse room for farming, thus you need to bloody import the majority of your food. Enjoy that little tidit.

Discipline will not save them from having inferior ships

Are you intoxicated? The Andals Conquered them and then the Tarys did the same. They bent the knee to the chair, them griping about it and raiding a little bit in between vows of fealty doesn't change they SUBMITTED.

Yeah...Others die too, dead things die again.

[Zentrut]

I agree with a Stark regency.

[Socialist Czechia]

Balon also had no qualm to burn whole Lannister fleet at one day.

Years. And before you can try it, there is still Grand Iron Fleet. Sunset Sea is still under Ironborn control, and they learned much from previous conflicts. No simple raiders anymore, but cruel disciplined warriors with no fear, fanatically devoted to Drowned God like Victarion.

But Ironborn are also patient, so we'll just wait when Lannisters will be weak and soft again. Then we will simply take everything what is ours.

btw. you can't fight Ironborn in same way like greenlanders. lessons and cold cruelty doesn't works there. If you want to stop them, you must kill them all. Not just house, but all it's people. Every single island, every single castle full of people devoted to bloodshed and mayhem.
Andals couldn't subdue them, as well as Targaryens and Baratheons. No matter if there still be House Greyjoy, Ironborn will always return, only stronger.

What is dead may never die, but rises again, harder and stronger.

I'd say he paid for that oversight no? First to Baratheon, Then to Stark, Then to Lannister and then to Stark again!

Years? Unless if your Islands magically got a lot bigger, doubt it. Theon observed during the war of kings that there was sparse room for farming, thus you need to bloody import the majority of your food. Enjoy that little tidit.

Discipline will not save them from having inferior ships

Are you intoxicated? The Andals Conquered them and then the Tarys did the same. They bent the knee to the chair, them griping about it and raiding a little bit in between vows of fealty doesn't change they SUBMITTED.

Yeah...Others die too, dead things die again.

You should read more carefully. Their culture older than Andal one, Drowned God is there from times of the First Men. Minority of Ironborn still have Old Gods. So Andals didn't conquer them in fact, since they were assimilated to their culture. There was never Faith of Seven, and customs are more similar to Freefolk than to north or riverlands.

Try to use logic sometimes.

Aegon destroyed Harrenhall and killed Hoare's, but Old Way and Drowned God still ruled. They didnt became peasants, they were still warriors and raiders like before, so they didn't subdue them, even with dragons.
They were, and they are still Ironborn, with same Old Way.

You still live in past times. Grand Iron Fleet has no inferior ships anymore. Greyjoys have even large ocean going vessels and dromonds. Pyke is two times bigger, and Ironborn has more castles, one on every island.

You can't siege an islands just like that, especially with medieval fleet. Seriously, try to read more.

[Jade Confederacy]

House APP:

House Name:House Hightower

Sigil:

Head of House: Garth Hightower (Age 38); An ambitious, but simple man, Garth Hightower is a leader of men. A veteran defending against countless Ironborn raids, Garth commands the Reach Fleet, which is the largest fleet in Westeros after the destruction of both the Iron Fleet and the Royal Fleet during the War of Five Kings. He has blood ties with House Florent through his mother's side and considers them close friends and allies. Tall and muscular, Garth wields the Hightower ancestral sword, Vigilance, with prowess. He possess numerous scars including an large one on his back from when he took an ironborn axe during a battle.

Relevant House Members:

Denyse Hightower (Age 36); wife of Garth and considered the brains of the pair, she shares the same ambitions of her husband. She heads the Hightower faction within Highgarden court, which includes Houses Florent, House Osgrey, and House Wythers. Her maiden name is unknown and her history is shrouded by secrecy. She has darker skin than most Reachmen and looks as if she was born either in Dorn or in Essos. She is also rumored to have ties with the Warlocks of Qarth and practice foreign magic.

Amber Hightower (Age 17); eldest daughter of Garth, she is betrothal to House Osgrey of the Golden Grove, sealing an alliance between the two houses.

Otto Hightower (Age 15); son and heir of Garth, he takes after his father and displays a talent for horsemanship at an early age.

Leyla Hightower (Age 10); second daughter of Garth

Addam Hightower (Age 10); twin of Leyla and second in line to inherit House Hightower.

House Seat:Hightower of Oldtown

House's Faith:Faith of Seven

Military Forces: 24,000 troops, 21 heavy vessels (Hightower Fleet)

Sworn Houses:House Cuy of Sun House, House Costayne of the Three Towers, House Bulwer of Blackcrown

Events within the House in the 60 years between the OP history and the RP:
House Hightower grew powerful in the wake of the War of the Five Kings and the subsequent wars that followed. Untouched by conflict, Oldtown and its environs grew rich as those with wealth and talent relocated to the safest and most prosperous city in Westeros. Using their wealth and influence, the Hightowers helped elevate the Osgreys regain their ancestral positions as the lords of Northmarch and the Florents rebuild their powerbase. As their power grew, the Hightowers begun demanding more and more concessions from the Tyrells, first to relocate the Reach Fleet to the South, closer to Oldtown and then to be allowed to collect all taxes in Southern Reach on the Tyrell's behalf.

In recent years, rumors of the Hightower's ambitions to usurp the Tyrll's position in the Reach have begun circulating in the courts of Westeros, though the Hightowers were quick to deny these allegations when confronted. With the death of Willas Tyrell and the ascension of of the young and untested Garlan in Highgarden, time seems ripe for a coup. The Hightower host has yet to answer Garlan's call to arms and has not yet declared in favor of either side in the present civil war.
RP Example: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=211187&start=1025

Notes: Still would like to RP the Freys if possible

[Socialist Czechia]

I agree with a Stark regency.

House of Greyjoy approves this idea and supports Starks.

Because we are interested only in iron price and only respect purchased by blood.
Some other houses won't agree with that, so fun can start at last.

[Krumbia]

Just wondering, but would the Lord of the Eyrie be the Warden of the East or do you have someone else in mind?

[Mormak]

I'd say he paid for that oversight no? First to Baratheon, Then to Stark, Then to Lannister and then to Stark again!

Years? Unless if your Islands magically got a lot bigger, doubt it. Theon observed during the war of kings that there was sparse room for farming, thus you need to bloody import the majority of your food. Enjoy that little tidit.

Discipline will not save them from having inferior ships

Are you intoxicated? The Andals Conquered them and then the Tarys did the same. They bent the knee to the chair, them griping about it and raiding a little bit in between vows of fealty doesn't change they SUBMITTED.

Yeah...Others die too, dead things die again.

You should read more carefully. Their culture older than Andal one, Drowned God is there from times of the First Men. Minority of Ironborn still have Old Gods. So Andals didn't conquer them in fact, since they were assimilated to their culture. There was never Faith of Seven, and customs are more similar to Freefolk than to north or riverlands.

Try to use logic sometimes.

Aegon destroyed Harrenhall and killed Hoare's, but Old Way and Drowned God still ruled. They didnt became peasants, they were still warriors and raiders like before, so they didn't subdue them, even with dragons.
They were, and they are still Ironborn, with same Old Way.

You still live in past times. Grand Iron Fleet has no inferior ships anymore. Greyjoys have even large ocean going vessels and dromonds. Pyke is two times bigger, and Ironborn has more castles, one on every island.

You can't siege an islands just like that, especially with medieval fleet. Seriously, try to read more.

Right, them clinging to the Islands they had abandoned for that plush and massive castle looked oh so nice after being cast back by the Tullys, and the Dragons making them swear fealty, they bent the knee. You can have delusions otherwise but, Given how a few houses ended under Aegon and how Greyjoy submitted and became rulers of Pyke, they obviously bent the knee, Oh we resisted...till the dragons came anyway, and then we ran the **** back to our Island!

And like i said, Unless if you know how to make existing land mass bigger ( I don't even think that magic exists in this world) Pyrke and the Iron isles are still the same size as they were in Theon's Day, which means unless if the land got more fertile (that's a bloody joke right there) they would still be reliant upon importing their food. Also for those castles why would i care about them? They can be obliterated one by one from afar from siege engine driven way galleys flinging stones into their battlements.

And goodie for your Dromonds? They are still no three deck galley.

You actually need to read more apparently given how much of this is patently inaccurate, i guess if you want to spew this speculation into the roleplay that is fine, but when we are actually talking the series? No, Islands magically don't get bigger, Dromands don't become good warships compared to the heavier and larger Galleys and the Greyjoys still bent the knee.

[Socialist Czechia]

You actually need to read more apparently given how much of this is patently inaccurate, i guess if you want to spew this speculation into the roleplay that is fine, but when we are actually talking the series? No, Islands magically don't get bigger, Dromands don't become good warships compared to the heavier and larger Galleys and the Greyjoys still bent the knee.

OP actually approved idea to make Ironborn much more powerful and advanced. So stop whine, pls, and accept that Greyjoys ass is now much, much less kickable than in whole history.

But what Euron did do was loot the crap out of everywhere along that coast. He stole almost half of the Redwyne's total treasury, which is vast considering their control over a region that dominates the wine industry, wrecked general havoc along that entire coast. He knew he wouldn't be able to hold anywhere, and didn't want to waste men occupying anything.
The Greyjoys are at least the third wealthiest house in Westeros, after the Lannisters and Tyrells. And as the figure for the latter 2 includes interest on loans they've given out and not material goods, they've got more stable money.
They can profit greatly from any war, they simply need to play their cards right. A few strikes on the right places, and their ability to attack anywhere linked by river to the Sunset Sea gives them the ability to attack anywhere.

[Mormak]

You actually need to read more apparently given how much of this is patently inaccurate, i guess if you want to spew this speculation into the roleplay that is fine, but when we are actually talking the series? No, Islands magically don't get bigger, Dromands don't become good warships compared to the heavier and larger Galleys and the Greyjoys still bent the knee.

OP actually approved idea to make Ironborn much more powerful and advanced. So stop whine, pls, and accept that Greyjoys ass is now much, much less kickable than in whole history.

Uh, Proving your inaccuracy wrong is whining?

Its not my fault you have favorable memory for them in GOT.

And the OP can do that but i still don't see how Island get bigger, Dromond become decent warships and how a bunch of marauders actually became a legitimate threat.

Of course its up to the OP if Pyke magically got bigger or not and if Dromonds actually become worth something here.

[Socialist Czechia]

OP actually approved idea to make Ironborn much more powerful and advanced. So stop whine, pls, and accept that Greyjoys ass is now much, much less kickable than in whole history.

Uh, Proving your inaccuracy wrong is whining?

Its not my fault you have favorable memory for them in GOT.

And the OP can do that but i still don't see how Island get bigger, Dromond become decent warships and how a bunch of marauders actually became a legitimate threat.

Of course its up to the OP if Pyke magically got bigger or not and if Dromonds actually become worth something here.

Did you read anything at all? It seems your memory ends with Balon's fall to sea, and you assume that Ironborn couldn't profit at all from last wars so much, that their ass is toughest from whole history.

You don't need large islands with gold mines, when there are many castles full of stolen treasures, and you still raiding whole world 60 years with independent strong fleet.

Iron Islands are now Westeros's Britain, just when it became naval power. Your Lannister France should be more afraid.

[Givious]

Uh, Proving your inaccuracy wrong is whining?

Its not my fault you have favorable memory for them in GOT.

And the OP can do that but i still don't see how Island get bigger, Dromond become decent warships and how a bunch of marauders actually became a legitimate threat.

Of course its up to the OP if Pyke magically got bigger or not and if Dromonds actually become worth something here.

Did you read anything at all? It seems your memory ends with Balon's fall to sea, and you assume that Ironborn couldn't profit at all from last wars so much, that their ass is toughest from whole history.

You don't need large islands with gold mines, when there are many castles full of stolen treasures, and you still raiding whole world 60 years with independent strong fleet.

Iron Islands are now Westeros's Britain, just when it became naval power. Your Lannister France should be more afraid.

As much as I believe the Iron Born would be strong, you are far from Britain. You would need to import food or raid the crap out of Essos to get it... more than likely you would have to do trading with Westeros and raid Essos, which would take a long time to accomplish

[Lunas Legion]

Did you read anything at all? It seems your memory ends with Balon's fall to sea, and you assume that Ironborn couldn't profit at all from last wars so much, that their ass is toughest from whole history.

You don't need large islands with gold mines, when there are many castles full of stolen treasures, and you still raiding whole world 60 years with independent strong fleet.

Iron Islands are now Westeros's Britain, just when it became naval power. Your Lannister France should be more afraid.

As much as I believe the Iron Born would be strong, you are far from Britain. You would need to import food or raid the crap out of Essos to get it... more than likely you would have to do trading with Westeros and raid Essos, which would take a long time to accomplish

The Iron Islands are actually fairly self-sufficient, would have large stores of food, or simply dont give a damn about what the eat since they didn't starve during the WoFK, but thats because they would've just eaten lots of fish.

[Socialist Czechia]

raid the crap out of Essos to get it... more than likely you would have to do trading with Westeros and raid Essos, which would take a long time to accomplish

that is affirmative.

60 years is enough time to do anything, even rebuild castles and build new ones. especially with so much spoils and thralls and salt wives what both Balon and Euron got in wars...

[Mormak]

Did you read anything at all? It seems your memory ends with Balon's fall to sea, and you assume that Ironborn couldn't profit at all from last wars so much, that their ass is toughest from whole history.

You don't need large islands with gold mines, when there are many castles full of stolen treasures, and you still raiding whole world 60 years with independent strong fleet.

Iron Islands are now Westeros's Britain, just when it became naval power. Your Lannister France should be more afraid.

As much as I believe the Iron Born would be strong, you are far from Britain. You would need to import food or raid the crap out of Essos to get it... more than likely you would have to do trading with Westeros and raid Essos, which would take a long time to accomplish

Note i think that they would be a fairly large power, its just i don't believe they are anywhere near to invincible.

Having ships and wealth is nice and all, but that would go to buying or buying the swords to take food and resources, it would go maintain ships, keeps, battlements and to keep your forces.

Their strength lies in their mobility, bog them down to fight a traditional war?

History has proven again, and again they lose.

Any Major Player need only get them to commit to the field and then Pyke dies.

Just perhaps a slower death then under Balon.

As much as I believe the Iron Born would be strong, you are far from Britain. You would need to import food or raid the crap out of Essos to get it... more than likely you would have to do trading with Westeros and raid Essos, which would take a long time to accomplish

The Iron Islands are actually fairly self-sufficient, would have large stores of food, or simply dont give a damn about what they eat since they didn't starve during the WoFK, but thats because they would've just eaten lots of fish.

Eh...Not really, when you break it up you have to support the Nobility, Navy and then the soldiers and crews to man their ships, you need provide provisions for all these people, then it goes to the Peasants, You likely wouldn't see a foodstore last long on the Iron Islands, ESPECIALLY if their navy is as active as he said was over the last sixty years.

Harvest after Harvest would just be going to them, And add if Pykes population grew when it can barely support it self on what it had during the war of kings and...yeah, Importing, like they had to do back then, except more of it.

Not GOT's Britain, More like GOT's Greece

MODERN Greece!

[Mormak]

Wow...i cannot believe i compared them to Modern Greece...Meaner then i thought

[Givious]

As much as I believe the Iron Born would be strong, you are far from Britain. You would need to import food or raid the crap out of Essos to get it... more than likely you would have to do trading with Westeros and raid Essos, which would take a long time to accomplish

Note i think that they would be a fairly large power, its just i don't believe they are anywhere near to invincible.

Having ships and wealth is nice and all, but that would go to buying or buying the swords to take food and resources, it would go maintain ships, keeps, battlements and to keep your forces.

Their strength lies in their mobility, bog them down to fight a traditional war?

History has proven again, and again they lose.

Any Major Player need only get them to commit to the field and then Pyke dies.

Just perhaps a slower death then under Balon.

The Iron Islands are actually fairly self-sufficient, would have large stores of food, or simply dont give a damn about what they eat since they didn't starve during the WoFK, but thats because they would've just eaten lots of fish.

Eh...Not really, when you break it up you have to support the Nobility, Navy and then the soldiers and crews to man their ships, you need provide provisions for all these people, then it goes to the Peasants, You likely wouldn't see a foodstore last long on the Iron Islands, ESPECIALLY if their navy is as active as he said was over the last sixty years.

Harvest after Harvest would just be going to them, And add if Pykes population grew when it can barely support it self on what it had during the war of kings and...yeah, Importing, like they had to do back then, except more of it.

Not GOT's Britain, More like GOT's Greece

MODERN Greece!

My biggest question is how would of Dany dealt with the Lannisters.... I know if it were me you would have restrictions on your mustering and how many ships you could have (with the Iron Isle indi I would of relaxed the ship part). I mean we are talking about the guys who killed her family, and betrayed her father, the king at the time. As well I would of been taking a lot of your wealth from you, as to pay off the debt to the crown that the lannisters helped build up

[Rephesus]

Do remember the current Lannisters are descendants of Tommen and Tyrion, raised by Tyrion who was by Dany's side in the war. The Current Lannisters are more like Tyrion than Cersei, and his control over the house solidified his power. The Lannisters would be weak from the war still, but they'd have the favour of the other realms, although it seems that Tywin is ruining that.

[Lunas Legion]

Note i think that they would be a fairly large power, its just i don't believe they are anywhere near to invincible.

Having ships and wealth is nice and all, but that would go to buying or buying the swords to take food and resources, it would go maintain ships, keeps, battlements and to keep your forces.

Their strength lies in their mobility, bog them down to fight a traditional war?

History has proven again, and again they lose.

Any Major Player need only get them to commit to the field and then Pyke dies.

Just perhaps a slower death then under Balon.



Eh...Not really, when you break it up you have to support the Nobility, Navy and then the soldiers and crews to man their ships, you need provide provisions for all these people, then it goes to the Peasants, You likely wouldn't see a foodstore last long on the Iron Islands, ESPECIALLY if their navy is as active as he said was over the last sixty years.

Harvest after Harvest would just be going to them, And add if Pykes population grew when it can barely support it self on what it had during the war of kings and...yeah, Importing, like they had to do back then, except more of it.

Not GOT's Britain, More like GOT's Greece

MODERN Greece!

My biggest question is how would of Dany dealt with the Lannisters.... I know if it were me you would have restrictions on your mustering and how many ships you could have (with the Iron Isle indi I would of relaxed the ship part). I mean we are talking about the guys who killed her family, and betrayed her father, the king at the time. As well I would of been taking a lot of your wealth from you, as to pay off the debt to the crown that the lannisters helped build up

That's all Tyrion's doing. Dany presumed (rightly) he was relatively trustworthy, as he helped her deal with her dragons in terms of things like feeding, housing, riding, dragonsaddles...

[Socialist Czechia]

Not GOT's Britain, More like GOT's Greece

MODERN Greece!

I think Dorne is kinda Greece and Anatolia combined.

Or Spain? I never agreed with comparison maps of Europe-Westeros...let's see:

- North (Scandinavia)
- Vale (Alps-Germany)
- Westerlands (South France)
- Riverlands (Benelux, pieces of France and Germany)
- Crown Lands (Dalmatia)
- Stormlands (Carpathians)
- Reach (Italy)
- Iron Islands (Ireland)
- Bear Island (Iceland)
- Arbor (Sicily)
- Dorne (Greece-Anatolia/Spain)

Legit?

[Rephesus]

Not GOT's Britain, More like GOT's Greece

MODERN Greece!

I think Dorne is kinda Greece and Anatolia combined.

Or Spain? I never agreed with comparison maps of Europe-Westeros...let's see:

- North (Scandinavia)
- Vale (Alps-Germany)
- Westerlands (South France)
- Riverlands (Benelux, pieces of France and Germany)
- Crown Lands (Dalmatia)
- Stormlands (Carpathians)
- Reach (Italy)
- Iron Islands (Ireland)
- Bear Island (Iceland)
- Arbor (Sicily)
- Dorne (Greece-Anatolia/Spain)

Legit?

In terms of Culture.

[Mormak]

Note i think that they would be a fairly large power, its just i don't believe they are anywhere near to invincible.

Having ships and wealth is nice and all, but that would go to buying or buying the swords to take food and resources, it would go maintain ships, keeps, battlements and to keep your forces.

Their strength lies in their mobility, bog them down to fight a traditional war?

History has proven again, and again they lose.

Any Major Player need only get them to commit to the field and then Pyke dies.

Just perhaps a slower death then under Balon.



Eh...Not really, when you break it up you have to support the Nobility, Navy and then the soldiers and crews to man their ships, you need provide provisions for all these people, then it goes to the Peasants, You likely wouldn't see a foodstore last long on the Iron Islands, ESPECIALLY if their navy is as active as he said was over the last sixty years.

Harvest after Harvest would just be going to them, And add if Pykes population grew when it can barely support it self on what it had during the war of kings and...yeah, Importing, like they had to do back then, except more of it.

Not GOT's Britain, More like GOT's Greece

MODERN Greece!

My biggest question is how would of Dany dealt with the Lannisters.... I know if it were me you would have restrictions on your mustering and how many ships you could have (with the Iron Isle indi I would of relaxed the ship part). I mean we are talking about the guys who killed her family, and betrayed her father, the king at the time. As well I would of been taking a lot of your wealth from you, as to pay off the debt to the crown that the lannisters helped build up

Luckily no such measures were done once Tommen forswore the Throne, After all Casterly aided in the rebuilding of the realm.

The Lannisters help the crown pay for a new royal fleet, It forgave the prior debts owed by the crown to House Lannister.

You were saying?

Lannister more then paid for whatever petty crimes it committed during the war of Kings.

So the wealth and strength of Casterly remains.