Game of Thrones: Aftermath (OOC)

[Jade Confederacy]

Will do the arrest of Garth tomorrow.

wait what? i wasnt active and didnt read everything but this is a big change over little time. wasn't my troops allowed into the city before the coronation?

[Mormak]

Will do the arrest of Garth tomorrow.

wait what? i wasnt active and didnt read everything but this is a big change over little time. wasn't my troops allowed into the city before the coronation?

Lady Tyrell escaped, smuggled herself into the capital and met with the Regent speaking of a tale of how Garth and his wife were involved in a plot to kill the lord of the reach, So Congratulations.

You won the game of thrones for an entire day before it all came crumbling down

[Logistica Suprema]

Will do the arrest of Garth tomorrow.

wait what? i wasnt active and didnt read everything but this is a big change over little time. wasn't my troops allowed into the city before the coronation?

I was wondering why you were so unresponsive to this major event. But yeah. Things went down and, well, a lot of people are on team Tyrell over team Hightower now. You're playing a dangerous game, and losing at it. Badly.

EDIT:

@Mormak, you forgot to mention the "The witch killed Garlan Tyrell." Other than that, your post was great. This was me for about three minutes:

[Mormak]

wait what? i wasnt active and didnt read everything but this is a big change over little time. wasn't my troops allowed into the city before the coronation?

EDIT:

@Mormak, you forgot to mention the "The witch killed Garlan Tyrell." Other than that, your post was great. This was me for about three minutes:

That will be covered likely in the next post, i didn't forget however its just i needed to get the strategy meeting out of the way.

And why were you laughing?

[Logistica Suprema]

EDIT:

@Mormak, you forgot to mention the "The witch killed Garlan Tyrell." Other than that, your post was great. This was me for about three minutes:

That will be covered likely in the next post, i didn't forget however its just i needed to get the strategy meeting out of the way.

And why were you laughing?

Oh, I wasn't laughing at your last IC post, I was laughing at the OOC one above me. Probably should have clarified.

[Mormak]

That will be covered likely in the next post, i didn't forget however its just i needed to get the strategy meeting out of the way.

And why were you laughing?

Oh, I wasn't laughing at your last IC post, I was laughing at the OOC one above me. Probably should have clarified.

Ah alright.

[Jade Confederacy]

wait what? i wasnt active and didnt read everything but this is a big change over little time. wasn't my troops allowed into the city before the coronation?

Lady Tyrell escaped, smuggled herself into the capital and met with the Regent speaking of a tale of how Garth and his wife were involved in a plot to kill the lord of the reach, So Congratulations.

You won the game of thrones for an entire day before it all came crumbling down

And the Starks listened? The tyrells no longer command the reach troops, I do. Also, why would lady tyrell betray the house she recently wedded into by word of month from some people who broke into her room? I don't reAlly have time to respond since I have to do all this over the phone, but everyone should consider the hard facts befor they post

[Logistica Suprema]

Lady Tyrell escaped, smuggled herself into the capital and met with the Regent speaking of a tale of how Garth and his wife were involved in a plot to kill the lord of the reach, So Congratulations.

You won the game of thrones for an entire day before it all came crumbling down

And the Starks listened? The tyrells no longer command the reach troops, I do. Also, why would lady tyrell betray the house she recently wedded into by word of month from some people who broke into her room? I don't reAlly have time to respond since I have to do all this over the phone, but everyone should consider the hard facts befor they post

Yes, and the hard facts are this:

-Garth Hightower is clearly a power-grabber, using intrigue to king a boy that shall never remain king only so that he may steal the title Lord Paramount of the Reach.

-Denyse Hightower is the only person in the Reach even rumored to use magic, which would have been necessary to kill Garlan Tyrell so quickly with Greyscale.

-The Reachmen, like all other soldiers, follow their de facto lord, not their de jure lord. That means, insofar as Garth Hightower as seized, he is lord of nothing and has no power. That leaves Margaery Tyrell to take up his position.

-House Stark is bound to House Tyrell by Rickon Stark's marriage to Alla Tyrell.

-Margaery Tyrell wed into House Hightower not out of desire or convenience but out of force. Her original intent was to marry into House Martell, under Garlan, whom she genuinely believes was murdered by Denyse Hightower at the behest of Garth Hightower. The people who broke into her room also happen to be connected to one of the most extensive spy networks throughout all of Westeros, sworn to her brother, which is why see believes them.

[Jade Confederacy]

Yes, and the hard facts are this:

-Garth Hightower is clearly a power-grabber, using intrigue to king a boy that shall never remain king only so that he may steal the title Lord Paramount of the Reach.

-Denyse Hightower is the only person in the Reach even rumored to use magic, which would have been necessary to kill Garlan Tyrell so quickly with Greyscale.

-The Reachmen, like all other soldiers, follow their de facto lord, not their de jure lord. That means, insofar as Garth Hightower as seized, he is lord of nothing and has no power. That leaves Margaery Tyrell to take up his position.

-House Stark is bound to House Tyrell by Rickon Stark's marriage to Alla Tyrell.

-Margaery Tyrell wed into House Hightower not out of desire or convenience but out of force. Her original intent was to marry into House Martell, under Garlan, whom she genuinely believes was murdered by Denyse Hightower at the behest of Garth Hightower. The people who broke into her room also happen to be connected to one of the most extensive spy networks throughout all of Westeros, sworn to her brother, which is why see believes them.

The lord Paramountship was basically mine the second Garlen died. I would have gotten it legitimized one way or another. Also, what prof did Margery a have that it was even her brother's spies? her brother never told of them to her and she has no hard prof of Garth's supposed crimes other then information given to her by word of mouth from someone who broke into her room (she is also fifteen and clearly traumatized by her brothers death). Who in the right mind would believe her? That was why Denyse didnt. If Garth is sized, then the de factio lord is Otto, with his mother Denyse to held him rule in his aid. She lead the hightower faction in court and would have the connections to make sure that it does not fall apart without Garth. Margery on the other hand, have no connections, does not rule a thing (as Highgarden is ruled by stewards loyal to Hightower in her name) and have no political allies in the Reach other than maybe the Tarlys.

[Logistica Suprema]

Yes, and the hard facts are this:

-Garth Hightower is clearly a power-grabber, using intrigue to king a boy that shall never remain king only so that he may steal the title Lord Paramount of the Reach.

-Denyse Hightower is the only person in the Reach even rumored to use magic, which would have been necessary to kill Garlan Tyrell so quickly with Greyscale.

-The Reachmen, like all other soldiers, follow their de facto lord, not their de jure lord. That means, insofar as Garth Hightower as seized, he is lord of nothing and has no power. That leaves Margaery Tyrell to take up his position.

-House Stark is bound to House Tyrell by Rickon Stark's marriage to Alla Tyrell.

-Margaery Tyrell wed into House Hightower not out of desire or convenience but out of force. Her original intent was to marry into House Martell, under Garlan, whom she genuinely believes was murdered by Denyse Hightower at the behest of Garth Hightower. The people who broke into her room also happen to be connected to one of the most extensive spy networks throughout all of Westeros, sworn to her brother, which is why see believes them.

The lord Paramountship was basically mine the second Garlen died. I would have gotten it legitimized one way or another. Also, what prof did Margery a have that it was even her brother's spies? her brother never told of them to her and she has no hard prof of Garth's supposed crimes other then information given to her by word of mouth from someone who broke into her room (she is also fifteen and clearly traumatized by her brothers death). Who in the right mind would believe her? That was why Denyse didnt. If Garth is sized, then the de factio lord is Otto, with his mother Denyse to held him rule in his aid. She lead the hightower faction in court and would have the connections to make sure that it does not fall apart without Garth. Margery on the other hand, have no connections, does not rule a thing (as Highgarden is ruled by stewards loyal to Hightower in her name) and have no political allies in the Reach other than maybe the Tarlys.

This is the one part which Mormak declined telling you. Margaery Tyrell had her spy network state the following to the Great Houses: "The witch killed Garlan Tyrell." That should prove, I think, the extensive nature of her spy network.

And you were not Lord Paramount until you stole a crown so that Loras Tyrell may grant it to you on a pretext. Were you going to seize the Reach? I would have made allies faster than you can imagine, strong enough to topple even your might.

Do not speak for Margaery's mental state, good sir. She mourns her brother, but any "trauma" she has suffered has translated directly into passion for vengeance. I will also remind you--as I have so many times--that the talking point of "someone who broke into her room" is invalid because that someone is a member of one of, if not the, most powerful and extensive spy network in Westeros.

And you pose the question, "Who in the right mind would believe her?" I retort thus: That Garlan Tyrell died far too quickly, thus magic must have been used. Denyse Hightower has been rumored throughout the Reach as having been influenced, if not continually so, been dark magic.

Ah, another talking point to debunk! Otto Hightower does not have a claim on Regent of the Reach. Regency is not hereditary, and, with Lord Hightower imprisoned, any Reachmen stilled allied to him is a traitor to the Crown Regency. Denyse Hightower shall be seen as a witch, and any allied to her shall be heretics in the Light of the Seven. I would remind you, good sir, that the Seven is held in the highest regard in the Reach.

Furthermore, it is ridiculous that Denyse Hightower have control of Highgarden. I will be lenient on the talking point that she has many allies of Reachmen, but Highgarden--no, that I shall contest. I will even go so far as to say that Lord Tarly is the steward of Highgarden, and that you do not control Lord Tarly.

And a third talking point, on that she has no connections. The Regent is wed to her House. Do you not consider the Crown Regent a connection? She is in talks to seek an alliance with Dorne. Do you not consider Martell a connection? Her network's fingers reach across all of Westeros. Do you not consider that a connection?

And what connections does House Hightower have that could withstand an imprisoned lord and a lady accused of witchcraft? Osgrey? Florent? Shall they rally against the might of the Crown Regent?

A final talking point I would like to debunk is this: that because Margaery is young, she cannot possibly know what she is talking about. Daenerys Targaryen was young when she seized the Seven Kingdoms. Robb Stark was young when he beat the Lannisters in ever battle. Daeron Targaryen was young when he took Dorne.. Tywin Lannister was young when he crushed the Houses Reyne and Tarbeck. Remind me how youth has ever jeopardized greatness.

[Logistica Suprema]

@Jade Confederacy

I would inform you that Garth Hightower is to be seized at thirty-five-days-after-death; and that you have just made a post of Garth Hightower at thirty-seven-days-after-death (technically, you made the statement that it was "two days" after the coronation, which occurred on thirty-five-days-after-death). Since the freedom of your character is dubious at thirty-seven-days-after-death, I request that you decline making that post until thirty-seven-days-after-death is reached by the players interacting with you.

@Lunas, @New Frenco Empire

If you would be so kind to give an official ruling on this matter, I would be appreciative.

[Jade Confederacy]

This is the one part which Mormak declined telling you. Margaery Tyrell had her spy network state the following to the Great Houses: "The witch killed Garlan Tyrell." That should prove, I think, the extensive nature of her spy network.

And you were not Lord Paramount until you stole a crown so that Loras Tyrell may grant it to you on a pretext. Were you going to seize the Reach? I would have made allies faster than you can imagine, strong enough to topple even your might.

Do not speak for Margaery's mental state, good sir. She mourns her brother, but any "trauma" she has suffered has translated directly into passion for vengeance. I will also remind you--as I have so many times--that the talking point of "someone who broke into her room" is invalid because that someone is a member of one of, if not the, most powerful and extensive spy network in Westeros.

And you pose the question, "Who in the right mind would believe her?" I retort thus: That Garlan Tyrell died far too quickly, thus magic must have been used. Denyse Hightower has been rumored throughout the Reach as having been influenced, if not continually so, been dark magic.

Ah, another talking point to debunk! Otto Hightower does not have a claim on Regent of the Reach. Regency is not hereditary, and, with Lord Hightower imprisoned, any Reachmen stilled allied to him is a traitor to the Crown Regency. Denyse Hightower shall be seen as a witch, and any allied to her shall be heretics in the Light of the Seven. I would remind you, good sir, that the Seven is held in the highest regard in the Reach.

Furthermore, it is ridiculous that Denyse Hightower have control of Highgarden. I will be lenient on the talking point that she has many allies of Reachmen, but Highgarden--no, that I shall contest. I will even go so far as to say that Lord Tarly is the steward of Highgarden, and that you do not control Lord Tarly.

And a third talking point, on that she has no connections. The Regent is wed to her House. Do you not consider the Crown Regent a connection? She is in talks to seek an alliance with Dorne. Do you not consider Martell a connection? Her network's fingers reach across all of Westeros. Do you not consider that a connection?

And what connections does House Hightower have that could withstand an imprisoned lord and a lady accused of witchcraft? Osgrey? Florent? Shall they rally against the might of the Crown Regent?

A final talking point I would like to debunk is this: that because Margaery is young, she cannot possibly know what she is talking about. Daenerys Targaryen was young when she seized the Seven Kingdoms. Robb Stark was young when he beat the Lannisters in ever battle. Daeron Targaryen was young when he took Dorne.. Tywin Lannister was young when he crushed the Houses Reyne and Tarbeck. Remind me how youth has ever jeopardized greatness.

You have no real power remember? Margery, as a girl barely out of childhood, have no authority to make any deal or appoint any stewards. The men dominate politics and Loras is head of the house, not Margery. As for connections, i meant inside the Reach. Have you forgotten where the power lies at the moment? The vast majority of forces in play lay within he reach, which could field 100k within a month and up to 200k max in times of trouble. Dorne and the north only have defensive terrain advantages on their side. It would be foolishness for the starks to abandon the alliance in favor of a another that fields less than 1/15 the strength of the present one. I hold all the armies. I hold the wealth. All that Margery have is baseless accusations.

Plus, all the young rulers you mentioned failed in one regard of anther. Daenerys poorly ruled a city and executed many who kept it running. She made vast amount of enemies and was surrounded the last time we left off. Robb betrayed his alliance to the Freys out of lust for some girl and untimely got his head chopped off for that. Lastly Daeron died trying to get Dorne. He defeated it, but never conquered it. This is why young rulers are bad ruler, especially if they are a girl. This is medieval times, sex matters.

Anyway, discussing all this is pointless until the Starks go in the open and make their move. I highly suggest they pick the most logical course of action.

[Arlye Austros]

Wait, sorry for being away, but, when (where in the thread) did the coronation took place?

[Logistica Suprema]

This is the one part which Mormak declined telling you. Margaery Tyrell had her spy network state the following to the Great Houses: "The witch killed Garlan Tyrell." That should prove, I think, the extensive nature of her spy network.

And you were not Lord Paramount until you stole a crown so that Loras Tyrell may grant it to you on a pretext. Were you going to seize the Reach? I would have made allies faster than you can imagine, strong enough to topple even your might.

Do not speak for Margaery's mental state, good sir. She mourns her brother, but any "trauma" she has suffered has translated directly into passion for vengeance. I will also remind you--as I have so many times--that the talking point of "someone who broke into her room" is invalid because that someone is a member of one of, if not the, most powerful and extensive spy network in Westeros.

And you pose the question, "Who in the right mind would believe her?" I retort thus: That Garlan Tyrell died far too quickly, thus magic must have been used. Denyse Hightower has been rumored throughout the Reach as having been influenced, if not continually so, been dark magic.

Ah, another talking point to debunk! Otto Hightower does not have a claim on Regent of the Reach. Regency is not hereditary, and, with Lord Hightower imprisoned, any Reachmen stilled allied to him is a traitor to the Crown Regency. Denyse Hightower shall be seen as a witch, and any allied to her shall be heretics in the Light of the Seven. I would remind you, good sir, that the Seven is held in the highest regard in the Reach.

Furthermore, it is ridiculous that Denyse Hightower have control of Highgarden. I will be lenient on the talking point that she has many allies of Reachmen, but Highgarden--no, that I shall contest. I will even go so far as to say that Lord Tarly is the steward of Highgarden, and that you do not control Lord Tarly.

And a third talking point, on that she has no connections. The Regent is wed to her House. Do you not consider the Crown Regent a connection? She is in talks to seek an alliance with Dorne. Do you not consider Martell a connection? Her network's fingers reach across all of Westeros. Do you not consider that a connection?

And what connections does House Hightower have that could withstand an imprisoned lord and a lady accused of witchcraft? Osgrey? Florent? Shall they rally against the might of the Crown Regent?

A final talking point I would like to debunk is this: that because Margaery is young, she cannot possibly know what she is talking about. Daenerys Targaryen was young when she seized the Seven Kingdoms. Robb Stark was young when he beat the Lannisters in ever battle. Daeron Targaryen was young when he took Dorne.. Tywin Lannister was young when he crushed the Houses Reyne and Tarbeck. Remind me how youth has ever jeopardized greatness.

You have no real power remember? Margery, as a girl barely out of childhood, have no authority to make any deal or appoint any stewards. The men dominate politics and Loras is head of the house, not Margery. As for connections, i meant inside the Reach. Have you forgotten where the power lies at the moment? The vast majority of forces in play lay within he reach, which could field 100k within a month and up to 200k max in times of trouble. Dorne and the north only have defensive terrain advantages on their side. It would be foolishness for the starks to abandon the alliance in favor of a another that fields less than 1/15 the strength of the present one. I hold all the armies. I hold the wealth. All that Margery have is baseless accusations.

Plus, all the young rulers you mentioned failed in one regard of anther. Daenerys poorly ruled a city and executed many who kept it running. She made vast amount of enemies and was surrounded the last time we left off. Robb betrayed his alliance to the Freys out of lust for some girl and untimely got his head chopped off for that. Lastly Daeron died trying to get Dorne. He defeated it, but never conquered it. This is why young rulers are bad ruler, especially if they are a girl. This is medieval times, sex matters.

Anyway, discussing all this is pointless until the Starks go in the open and make their move. I highly suggest they pick the most logical course of action.

Oh, this debate can become infuriating.

Foremost: Margaery, despite your depiction of her as a naïve little girl who enjoys the most arbitrary of things, is more worldly than you understand. She is well versed in history and persuasion, as well as the humanities. She has spent a considerable portion of her life watching her grandfather, and her brother after him, rule. I will ask you, with waning patience, to refrain on speaking about the power which Margaery wields. And, since Margaery was named Lady of Highgarden, you have no right to name a steward to it.

"My sister, Princess Margery Tyrell, shall now be named Lady of Highgarden."--your own post, page eleven of "Game of Thrones: Aftermath (IC)."

Secondly: the Reach, fielding 200k men? You do realize, then, that the Reach has the power of the Westerlands, Stormlands, Crownlands, and Riverlands combined. I am not sure if I should laugh or cry at that statement.

Thirdly: The Starks have an alliance in which House Hightower is the de facto King, Stark playing a puppet role as much as Loras until Loras comes of age and Stark is sent back North with Hightower maintaining the title Hand for as long as he pleases. Regardless, @Keznov is not here to speak on the position of Lord Stark, and, thus, he should be removed from the conversation until such a time.

Fourthly: The only army you hold is not likely to remain loyal to you with you imprisoned. Do you think men simply stand beside a traitor when the Crown Regent is holding him prisoner? And how do you mean to contact them? Shall you send a spy from your black cell to say, "Oh, Lord Hightower is held as a prisoner of the Realm, and anyone whom assists him is at risk of treason. So charge!"? Madness--simply madness.

Fifthly: As to the wealth you possess, I do not doubt it is great. But House Tyrell possesses an equally great amount of wealth, if only slightly smaller. Furthermore, if I may take from the quote of Petyr Baelish: "Gold buys a man's silence for a while, but a well-placed bolt buys it forever." Will you pay for their loyalty indefinitely? You must bribe . . . and bribe . . . and bribe. That is how bribery works.

Sixthly: Margaery has founded accusations, with help from a spy network that stretches across the Seven Kingdoms. It has been proven to be so extensive, by the manner with which Margaery alerted the Great Houses of House Hightower's murderous treason. Baseless accusations, bah! This coming from the man that states a grand Red Priestess has arisen in Storm's End, she the murder of Queen Daenerys.

Seventhly: Daenerys did rule Meereen poorly, but she was fairly good at . . . oh, it's on the tip of my tongue--oh yes, uniting the Seven Kingdoms under a prosperous and peaceful rule, per this RP. Robb made that single folly, but he did unite all of the North behind him and managed to out-strategize Tywin Lannister on the field, a feet none had accomplished before. Daeron did conquer Dorne, but he lost it because of another person. That crucial part you left out, and I would point out that it was the incompetence of a grown man, not of Daeron, that caused the independence of Dorne. And, I would note, you said "all the young rulers you mentioned" but did not correct my reference of Tywin Lannister, perhaps the most successful of them.

Lord Stark has already shown signs that he shall make the logical choice.

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@Aryle Austros: page eleven. Look for the picture of the crown.

[Arlye Austros]

You have no real power remember? Margery, as a girl barely out of childhood, have no authority to make any deal or appoint any stewards. The men dominate politics and Loras is head of the house, not Margery. As for connections, i meant inside the Reach. Have you forgotten where the power lies at the moment? The vast majority of forces in play lay within he reach, which could field 100k within a month and up to 200k max in times of trouble. Dorne and the north only have defensive terrain advantages on their side. It would be foolishness for the starks to abandon the alliance in favor of a another that fields less than 1/15 the strength of the present one. I hold all the armies. I hold the wealth. All that Margery have is baseless accusations.

Plus, all the young rulers you mentioned failed in one regard of anther. Daenerys poorly ruled a city and executed many who kept it running. She made vast amount of enemies and was surrounded the last time we left off. Robb betrayed his alliance to the Freys out of lust for some girl and untimely got his head chopped off for that. Lastly Daeron died trying to get Dorne. He defeated it, but never conquered it. This is why young rulers are bad ruler, especially if they are a girl. This is medieval times, sex matters.

Anyway, discussing all this is pointless until the Starks go in the open and make their move. I highly suggest they pick the most logical course of action.

Oh, this debate can become infuriating.

Foremost: Margaery, despite your depiction of her as a naïve little girl who enjoys the most arbitrary of things, is more worldly than you understand. She is well versed in history and persuasion, as well as the humanities. She has spent a considerable portion of her life watching her grandfather, and her brother after him, rule. I will ask you, with waning patience, to refrain on speaking about the power which Margaery wields. And, since Margaery was named Lady of Highgarden, you have no right to name a steward to it.

"My sister, Princess Margery Tyrell, shall now be named Lady of Highgarden."--your own post, page eleven of "Game of Thrones: Aftermath (IC)."

Secondly: the Reach, fielding 200k men? You do realize, then, that the Reach has the power of the Westerlands, Stormlands, Crownlands, and Riverlands combined. I am not sure if I should laugh or cry at that statement.

Thirdly: The Starks have an alliance in which House Hightower is the de facto King, Stark playing a puppet role as much as Loras until Loras comes of age and Stark is sent back North with Hightower maintaining the title Hand for as long as he pleases. Regardless, @Keznov is not here to speak on the position of Lord Stark, and, thus, he should be removed from the conversation until such a time.

Fourthly: The only army you hold is not likely to remain loyal to you with you imprisoned. Do you think men simply stand beside a traitor when the Crown Regent is holding him prisoner? And how do you mean to contact them? Shall you send a spy from your black cell to say, "Oh, Lord Hightower is held as a prisoner of the Realm, and anyone whom assists him is at risk of treason. So charge!"? Madness--simply madness.

Fifthly: As to the wealth you possess, I do not doubt it is great. But House Tyrell possesses an equally great amount of wealth, if only slightly smaller. Furthermore, if I may take from the quote of Petyr Baelish: "Gold buys a man's silence for a while, but a well-placed bolt buys it forever." Will you pay for their loyalty indefinitely? You must bribe . . . and bribe . . . and bribe. That is how bribery works.

Sixthly: Margaery has founded accusations, with help from a spy network that stretches across the Seven Kingdoms. It has been proven to be so extensive, by the manner with which Margaery alerted the Great Houses of House Hightower's murderous treason. Baseless accusations, bah! This coming from the man that states a grand Red Priestess has arisen in Storm's End, she the murder of Queen Daenerys.

Seventhly: Daenerys did rule Meereen poorly, but she was fairly good at . . . oh, it's on the tip of my tongue--oh yes, uniting the Seven Kingdoms under a prosperous and peaceful rule, per this RP. Robb made that single folly, but he did unite all of the North behind him and managed to out-strategize Tywin Lannister on the field, a feet none had accomplished before. Daeron did conquer Dorne, but he lost it because of another person. That crucial part you left out, and I would point out that it was the incompetence of a grown man, not of Daeron, that caused the independence of Dorne. And, I would note, you said "all the young rulers you mentioned" but did not correct my reference of Tywin Lannister, perhaps the most successful of them.

Lord Stark has already shown signs that he shall make the logical choice.

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@Aryle Austros: page eleven. Look for the picture of the crown.

OK, TY, I am posting a three days prior to that, guess there should be no plot conflict (not that there should be any).

[Nuxipal]

.. So did the Stark army start going south or are they still chilling at Winterfell?

[Jade Confederacy]

Military of the Reach: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Mil ... n_Kingdoms

Which i would have full control of due to them being commanded by houses allied to hightower. And as i said, Margery have no prof of Lady Hightowers "witchcraft" and Garth's crimes other than what a spy network, which no one else knows of, have told her. Anything she says or the crown does will be denied by the hightower faction and would be treated as lies by those who seeks to overthrow Loras.

I am also getting tired of this, especially since i have to type all this via mobile, so lets just lay down the hard facts shall we?

Margery is accusing her the house she just wed into of the murder of her brother via magic based on what her brother's spies, which no one else knows of. She has promised the hand of her younger sister though she is no position to do so considering she is no her sister's legal guardian. She currently controls no men, does not have access to her house's wealth since its all in highgarden.

Garth, who is now one of the most powerful men in the realm has now 52k men in and around KL, have direct control of one of the largest realm in the Kingdom and has another 100k in reserve. Do we all agree on this?

[Socialist Czechia]

Military of the Reach: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Mil ... n_Kingdoms

'Royal Army' idea is literally only good idea what have ever appeared in Joffrey's head.

[Nuxipal]

Military of the Reach: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Mil ... n_Kingdoms

Which i would have full control of due to them being commanded by houses allied to hightower. And as i said, Margery have no prof of Lady Hightowers "witchcraft" and Garth's crimes other than what a spy network, which no one else knows of, have told her. Anything she says or the crown does will be denied by the hightower faction and would be treated as lies by those who seeks to overthrow Loras.

I am also getting tired of this, especially since i have to type all this via mobile, so lets just lay down the hard facts shall we?

Margery is accusing her the house she just wed into of the murder of her brother via magic based on what her brother's spies, which no one else knows of. She has promised the hand of her younger sister though she is no position to do so considering she is no her sister's legal guardian. She currently controls no men, does not have access to her house's wealth since its all in highgarden.

Garth, who is now one of the most powerful men in the realm has now 52k men in and around KL, have direct control of one of the largest realm in the Kingdom and has another 100k in reserve. Do we all agree on this?

No for a variety of reasons. That page itself says that Renly raised 100k from the Reach AND the Stormlands. While the reach may have 100k men available to fight, it would be highly unlikely for all of them to leave the region. There may be vassals who only send what their feudal contracts require or there may be some who do not respond to the call to war because the man who should do so is ill and his heir is not at the castle. Example: Ryswell sent 2700 men to the Stark host. They kept the vast majority of their own troops home still.

[Jade Confederacy]

Military of the Reach: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Mil ... n_Kingdoms

'Royal Army' idea is literally only good idea what have ever appeared in Joffrey's head.

huh, this is weird, last time i checked, the numbers were different. Might have the wrong link, let me check again

[Socialist Czechia]

Military of the Reach: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Mil ... n_Kingdoms

Which i would have full control of due to them being commanded by houses allied to hightower. And as i said, Margery have no prof of Lady Hightowers "witchcraft" and Garth's crimes other than what a spy network, which no one else knows of, have told her. Anything she says or the crown does will be denied by the hightower faction and would be treated as lies by those who seeks to overthrow Loras.

I am also getting tired of this, especially since i have to type all this via mobile, so lets just lay down the hard facts shall we?

Margery is accusing her the house she just wed into of the murder of her brother via magic based on what her brother's spies, which no one else knows of. She has promised the hand of her younger sister though she is no position to do so considering she is no her sister's legal guardian. She currently controls no men, does not have access to her house's wealth since its all in highgarden.

Garth, who is now one of the most powerful men in the realm has now 52k men in and around KL, have direct control of one of the largest realm in the Kingdom and has another 100k in reserve. Do we all agree on this?

No for a variety of reasons. That page itself says that Renly raised 100k from the Reach AND the Stormlands. While the reach may have 100k men available to fight, it would be highly unlikely for all of them to leave the region. There may be vassals who only send what their feudal contracts require or there may be some who do not respond to the call to war because the man who should do so is ill and his heir is not at the castle. Example: Ryswell sent 2700 men to the Stark host. They kept the vast majority of their own troops home still.

Since this numbers are approved by universes's god (praise our only true god GRRM), i think we can take it. My own numbers are 15000 ironborn, since 20000 would be kinda unfair, because ironmen are now much better equipped and more disciplined fighters, and most Westerosi bannermen are common dudes, while majority of ironborn learn to beat or kill people from their childhood.

[Jade Confederacy]

Military of the Reach: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Mil ... n_Kingdoms

Which i would have full control of due to them being commanded by houses allied to hightower. And as i said, Margery have no prof of Lady Hightowers "witchcraft" and Garth's crimes other than what a spy network, which no one else knows of, have told her. Anything she says or the crown does will be denied by the hightower faction and would be treated as lies by those who seeks to overthrow Loras.

I am also getting tired of this, especially since i have to type all this via mobile, so lets just lay down the hard facts shall we?

Margery is accusing her the house she just wed into of the murder of her brother via magic based on what her brother's spies, which no one else knows of. She has promised the hand of her younger sister though she is no position to do so considering she is no her sister's legal guardian. She currently controls no men, does not have access to her house's wealth since its all in highgarden.

Garth, who is now one of the most powerful men in the realm has now 52k men in and around KL, have direct control of one of the largest realm in the Kingdom and has another 100k in reserve. Do we all agree on this?

No for a variety of reasons. That page itself says that Renly raised 100k from the Reach AND the Stormlands. While the reach may have 100k men available to fight, it would be highly unlikely for all of them to leave the region. There may be vassals who only send what their feudal contracts require or there may be some who do not respond to the call to war because the man who should do so is ill and his heir is not at the castle. Example: Ryswell sent 2700 men to the Stark host. They kept the vast majority of their own troops home still.

Yea, someone defiantly edited the page last time i checked. Well this a bummer. I'm going to cut my other force in Highgarden to another 40k army

[Logistica Suprema]

Military of the Reach: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Mil ... n_Kingdoms

Which i would have full control of due to them being commanded by houses allied to hightower. And as i said, Margery have no prof of Lady Hightowers "witchcraft" and Garth's crimes other than what a spy network, which no one else knows of, have told her. Anything she says or the crown does will be denied by the hightower faction and would be treated as lies by those who seeks to overthrow Loras.

I am also getting tired of this, especially since i have to type all this via mobile, so lets just lay down the hard facts shall we?

Margery is accusing her the house she just wed into of the murder of her brother via magic based on what her brother's spies, which no one else knows of. She has promised the hand of her younger sister though she is no position to do so considering she is no her sister's legal guardian. She currently controls no men, does not have access to her house's wealth since its all in highgarden.

Garth, who is now one of the most powerful men in the realm has now 52k men in and around KL, have direct control of one of the largest realm in the Kingdom and has another 100k in reserve. Do we all agree on this?

No.

Your source, as you conveniently forget to point out, states the following: "Renly Baratheon, supported by House Tyrell, raised an army of over 100,000 from the forces of both the Reach and the Stormlands and marched on King's Landing with it."

For the Reach to be able to raise 140k men, the Stormlands would have to raise -40k men. As in, 40k men that somehow subtract from the strength of the army. And that's assuming the Stormlands raised, literally, a single man.

"Which i would have full control of due to them being commanded by houses allied to hightower."

Yes, until the title Lord Paramount is revoked and your allies estranged from you on the threat of the casual "you've committed high treason."

"Margery is accusing her the house she just wed into of the murder . . ."

It was never the intent of House Tyrell to have Margaery wed into House Hightower, so the marriage was forced. In a modern court, this is an arranged marriage, which can be looked up as rape if carefully examined. Margaery has no love for House Hightower.

"And as i said, Margery have no prof of Lady Hightowers 'witchcraft' and Garth's crimes other than what a spy network, which no one else knows of, have told her."

1: Remind me again Garth Hightower had when he accused the Baratheons of harboring a murderous Red Priestess?

2: a) Oberyn Martell and Margaery Tyrell have overlapping spies, so he can confirm its existence, and b) Margaery sent a message to all of the Great Houses, proving the extent and existence of her spy network.

"She has promised the hand of her younger sister though she is no position to do so considering she is no her sister's legal guardian."

I don't recall promising Oleena's hand to anyone. I'm going to need a quote on that one, if you would be so kind.

". . . does not have access to her house's wealth since its all in highgarden."

Oh, so you seized it, did you? Another crime we can chalk out to House Hightower. My point being, just because Margaery doesn't carry it on her hip, doesn't mean she doesn't control it.

" . . . who is now one of the most powerful men in the realm . . ."

Whose titles and powers can be removed with a single royal order . . .

^--Forgot that little part there.

". . . has now 52k men in and around KL . . ."

Correction. You have 40k men outside of KL, but no men inside. You landing of the mercenaries is invalid because, as I have pointed out, they arrived at thirty-seven-days-after-death. The IC heavily implicates that Garth Hightower is seized at thirty-five-days-after-death. I wonder how Lord Hightower means to take control of his mercenaries from a black cell.

". . . have direct control of one of the largest realm in the Kingdom . . ."

Direct control implicates you have no contenders, such as . . . oh yes, I remember! Margaery, backed by the Crown Regent.

[Jade Confederacy]

Military of the Reach: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Mil ... n_Kingdoms

Which i would have full control of due to them being commanded by houses allied to hightower. And as i said, Margery have no prof of Lady Hightowers "witchcraft" and Garth's crimes other than what a spy network, which no one else knows of, have told her. Anything she says or the crown does will be denied by the hightower faction and would be treated as lies by those who seeks to overthrow Loras.

I am also getting tired of this, especially since i have to type all this via mobile, so lets just lay down the hard facts shall we?

Margery is accusing her the house she just wed into of the murder of her brother via magic based on what her brother's spies, which no one else knows of. She has promised the hand of her younger sister though she is no position to do so considering she is no her sister's legal guardian. She currently controls no men, does not have access to her house's wealth since its all in highgarden.

Garth, who is now one of the most powerful men in the realm has now 52k men in and around KL, have direct control of one of the largest realm in the Kingdom and has another 100k in reserve. Do we all agree on this?

No.

Your source, as you conveniently forget to point out, states the following: "Renly Baratheon, supported by House Tyrell, raised an army of over 100,000 from the forces of both the Reach and the Stormlands and marched on King's Landing with it."

For the Reach to be able to raise 140k men, the Stormlands would have to raise -40k men. As in, 40k men that somehow subtract from the strength of the army. And that's assuming the Stormlands raised, literally, a single man.

"Which i would have full control of due to them being commanded by houses allied to hightower."

Yes, until the title Lord Paramount is revoked and your allies estranged from you on the threat of the casual "you've committed high treason."

"Margery is accusing her the house she just wed into of the murder . . ."

It was never the intent of House Tyrell to have Margaery wed into House Hightower, so the marriage was forced. In a modern court, this is an arranged marriage, which can be looked up as rape if carefully examined. Margaery has no love for House Hightower.

"And as i said, Margery have no prof of Lady Hightowers 'witchcraft' and Garth's crimes other than what a spy network, which no one else knows of, have told her."

1: Remind me again Garth Hightower had when he accused the Baratheons of harboring a murderous Red Priestess?

2: a) Oberyn Martell and Margaery Tyrell have overlapping spies, so he can confirm its existence, and b) Margaery sent a message to all of the Great Houses, proving the extent and existence of her spy network.

"She has promised the hand of her younger sister though she is no position to do so considering she is no her sister's legal guardian."

I don't recall promising Oleena's hand to anyone. I'm going to need a quote on that one, if you would be so kind.

". . . does not have access to her house's wealth since its all in highgarden."

Oh, so you seized it, did you? Another crime we can chalk out to House Hightower. My point being, just because Margaery doesn't carry it on her hip, doesn't mean she doesn't control it.

" . . . who is now one of the most powerful men in the realm . . ."

Whose titles and powers can be removed with a single royal order . . .

^--Forgot that little part there.

". . . has now 52k men in and around KL . . ."

Correction. You have 40k men outside of KL, but no men inside. You landing of the mercenaries is invalid because, as I have pointed out, they arrived at thirty-seven-days-after-death. The IC heavily implicates that Garth Hightower is seized at thirty-five-days-after-death. I wonder how Lord Hightower means to take control of his mercenaries from a black cell.

". . . have direct control of one of the largest realm in the Kingdom . . ."

Direct control implicates you have no contenders, such as . . . oh yes, I remember! Margaery, backed by the Crown Regent.

All right, i see nether of us will agree to the other's posts so we'll let the OP decide what is what when he gets online.

[Logistica Suprema]

No.

Your source, as you conveniently forget to point out, states the following: "Renly Baratheon, supported by House Tyrell, raised an army of over 100,000 from the forces of both the Reach and the Stormlands and marched on King's Landing with it."

For the Reach to be able to raise 140k men, the Stormlands would have to raise -40k men. As in, 40k men that somehow subtract from the strength of the army. And that's assuming the Stormlands raised, literally, a single man.

"Which i would have full control of due to them being commanded by houses allied to hightower."

Yes, until the title Lord Paramount is revoked and your allies estranged from you on the threat of the casual "you've committed high treason."

"Margery is accusing her the house she just wed into of the murder . . ."

It was never the intent of House Tyrell to have Margaery wed into House Hightower, so the marriage was forced. In a modern court, this is an arranged marriage, which can be looked up as rape if carefully examined. Margaery has no love for House Hightower.

"And as i said, Margery have no prof of Lady Hightowers 'witchcraft' and Garth's crimes other than what a spy network, which no one else knows of, have told her."

1: Remind me again Garth Hightower had when he accused the Baratheons of harboring a murderous Red Priestess?

2: a) Oberyn Martell and Margaery Tyrell have overlapping spies, so he can confirm its existence, and b) Margaery sent a message to all of the Great Houses, proving the extent and existence of her spy network.

"She has promised the hand of her younger sister though she is no position to do so considering she is no her sister's legal guardian."

I don't recall promising Oleena's hand to anyone. I'm going to need a quote on that one, if you would be so kind.

". . . does not have access to her house's wealth since its all in highgarden."

Oh, so you seized it, did you? Another crime we can chalk out to House Hightower. My point being, just because Margaery doesn't carry it on her hip, doesn't mean she doesn't control it.

" . . . who is now one of the most powerful men in the realm . . ."

Whose titles and powers can be removed with a single royal order . . .

^--Forgot that little part there.

". . . has now 52k men in and around KL . . ."

Correction. You have 40k men outside of KL, but no men inside. You landing of the mercenaries is invalid because, as I have pointed out, they arrived at thirty-seven-days-after-death. The IC heavily implicates that Garth Hightower is seized at thirty-five-days-after-death. I wonder how Lord Hightower means to take control of his mercenaries from a black cell.

". . . have direct control of one of the largest realm in the Kingdom . . ."

Direct control implicates you have no contenders, such as . . . oh yes, I remember! Margaery, backed by the Crown Regent.

All right, i see nether of us will agree to the other's posts so we'll let the OP decide what is what when he gets online.

I concur, good sir. I will resolve for muteness on the subject at hand, unless asked, until @Lunas or @New Frenco Empire should rule on the matter.