Game of Thrones: Aftermath (OOC)

by **Jade Confederacy** » Wed May 28, 2014 12:09 pm

Lunas Legion wrote:
Jade Confederacy wrote:Dorne had terrain advantage. Its very hard to feed and supply troops in the middle of a desert. The crownlands is like a extension of the riverlands-there are no terrain advantages. As Stannis said, 9/10 time the bigger army wins

Depends where and the terrain. 10,000 horse archers would break a much larger infantry host if it were without cavalry on the steppe.

there is no 10k horse archer armies outside of the Dothraki sea and the Reach host would have thousands of mounted troops as well so its moot point to discuss such matters.

by **Mormak** » Wed May 28, 2014 12:10 pm

@ Jade

Did you ever edit your post to Logistica as Frenco instructed?

Givious wrote:
Jade Confederacy wrote:True. But is the Blackfyre fleet positioned to do so? Did house Tully mobilize its forces? What about the Royal fleet, which is under the command of the regency? The Redwyne-Oldtown fleet and the main Reach host? Unless all the other factions and regions band together, the Tyrell faction is in no real danger.

Also I may of missed it but other than pure "strength" what is Loras' claim to the throne

None, little more then a puppet for the regency; No true King.

by **Jade Confederacy** » Wed May 28, 2014 12:13 pm

Mormak wrote:@ Jade

Did you ever edit your post to Logistica as Frenco instructed?

Givious wrote:
Also I may of missed it but other than pure "strength" what is Loras' claim to the throne

None, little more then a puppet for the regency; No true King.

yea, but i disregarded his char's concerns in my reply (its was from a 15 year old girl) and he hasnt replied back. as for loras, yea hes a puppet. makes it much easier for the true people in power to carry out their agendas

by **Mormak** » Wed May 28, 2014 12:20 pm

Jade Confederacy wrote:
Mormak wrote:@ Jade

Did you ever edit your post to Logistica as Frenco instructed?

None, little more then a puppet for the regency; No true King.

yea, but i disregarded his char's concerns in my reply (its was from a 15 year old girl) and he hasnt replied back. as for loras, yea hes a puppet. makes it much easier for the true people in power to carry out their agendas

Really? As far as i can tell it's about the same.

Hard to disregard the opinion of anyone when the evidence of what she claimed (the break in at least was pretty clear) Which is exactly what Franco said, So given the dismissal is ludicrous i would agree with Frenco in the need to edit it.

Frenco found it odd, that at least a guard wasn't sent to investigate. Happen to agree.

by **Jade Confederacy** » Wed May 28, 2014 12:48 pm

Mormak wrote:
Really? As far as i can tell it's about the same.

Hard to disregard the opinion of anyone when the evidence of what she claimed (the break in at least was pretty clear) Which is exactly what Franco said, So given the dismissal is ludicrous i would agree with Frenco in the need to edit it.

Frenco found it odd, that at least a guard wasn't sent to investigate. Happen to agree.

meh, i'll send a guard to investigate if logistica insists, but it wont change much. Unless she reveals the existence of her brothers spy network, there is little evidence to back her claims

by **Cheten** » Wed May 28, 2014 1:14 pm

Lunas Legion wrote:
Jade Confederacy wrote:No, the coronation is to declare his candidacy for the kingship. To drag your feet in this is to allow the other factions to build up their forces. Besides what are you afraid of? The tyrell faction is already the largest by far in terms of military and resources.
Tyrell faction- 180k troops, 300-400 ships. Not to mention the mercenaries I hired.
The braratheon faction would be a far second with 100k troops and 100 ships
The blackfyre only have 80k troops and ~200 ships
We have the advantage, if the other push their claims now, they would lose.

The Tyrells are in a bad position though: their own forces and those of the Starks are split by sheer distance, and what other houses do you have behind you for OP reference since I'm going to edit the supporters?

Split by the Riverlands DUN DUN DUNNNNNNN

by **New Frenco Empire** » Wed May 28, 2014 1:34 pm

Jade Confederacy wrote:
Lunas Legion wrote:
Depends where and the terrain. 10,000 horse archers would break a much larger infantry host if it were without cavalry on the steppe.

there is no 10k horse archer armies outside of the Dothraki sea and the Reach host would have thousands of mounted troops as well so its moot point to discuss such matters.

But Dornish cavalry acts in much the same way. They ride the fastest and most durable horses in the Seven Kingdoms (sand steeds) and are very proficient with curved bow and throwing spear. Although there aren't 10k mounted bowmen (that's almost half our force), they're still a bane to any conventional Westerosi army.

by **Mormak** » Wed May 28, 2014 1:49 pm

So is the crowning at day 35 before the prior Queen is even burned canon or no?

by **Jade Confederacy** » Wed May 28, 2014 1:59 pm

Mormak wrote:So is the crowning at day 35 before the prior Queen is even burned canon or no?

Since OP didnt reject my post i'm going with that it is. I'll be drafting my next post based on events of the coronation

by **Givious** » Wed May 28, 2014 2:51 pm

So we haven't buried the old regent before we put a non claimant on the throne... smmmmooooottthhhh

by **Jade Confederacy** » Wed May 28, 2014 2:52 pm

Givious wrote:So we haven't buried the old regent before we put a non claimant on the throne... smmmmooooottthhhh

the queen was probably burned in the first few week as waiting a month would let her body rot. not my call though, the starks would be the ones who decide when to burn her body

by **Logistica Suprema** » Wed May 28, 2014 3:03 pm

Jade Confederacy wrote:
Logistica Suprema wrote:Can I have an unbiased thought on this? I have to leave, but I really must know if anyone else thinks that response is totally inappropriate.

reveal that it is from her brother's spies. That or reveal detail that Garlan was assassinated with the aid of magic or an agent taking Barateon coin was caught. those details havnt been reveled to anyone outside of the hightower household 20 days in.
PS. It was a article of clothing, not a rat that was used to infect garlan

I lament, good sir, that you have clearly not examined closely the nature of my most recent post. I find it therefore necessary to dissect this retort one piece at a time. All me to begin.

"reveal that it is from her brother's spies."

My reply: Insanity. Denyse Hightower has no way of knowing that Margaery's room wasn't broken into, unless she herself or her husband be the killer, and, thus, Margaery has no logical reason to reveal the existence of the spy network to Denyse. That is the entire point of saying it was an assailant and not a friend--so that Margaery need not reveal her sources.

"That [see above] or reveal detail that Garlan was assassinated wit the aid of magic or an agent taking Barateon coin was caught."

My reply: Further insanity. Foremost, there is no conclusive proof, thus far, that Garlan was murdered with magic. Most of those aware of his death are aware that he was killed with Greyscale, and I concede that Margaery's spy network knows no better. They will discover such, I imagine, within a few days. Until then, it is unfair that Margaery be aware of such.

And, additionally, why does Margaery have any reason to accuse the Baratheons? It was House Hightower that detained her, it was House Hightower that has sought the Reach, it was House Hightower that has always been an enemy to House Tyrell in Margaery's life time. Lady Denyse, in not allowing Margaery to seek a safer refuge--even after she had her chambers broken into!--is only moving to confirm what Margaery believes--that House Hightower is responsible, in part or in whole, for the death of her brother.

"those details [see above] havnt been reveled to anyone outside of the hightower household 20 days in."

My reply: That, in essence, confirms that House Hightower is the murderer, if they are privy to such keen information when even Garlan's spy network is not.

"PS. It was a article of clothing, not a rat that was used to infect garlan"

My reply: P.S.S. I know it was not a rat that infected Garlan. But, under the façade Margaery is playing, the imaginary assailant that broke into Margaery's chambers was one that the killer had hired. The assailant was clearly displaying that the killer still had access to greyscale--not that a rat was the casus mortem.

I will remind you of this statement, as released by New Frenco Empire:

New Frenco Empire wrote:
Logistica Suprema wrote:
So a rat afflicted with greyscale, the same thing that suspiciously killed Harlan Tyrell, is not evidence? The fact that her room was literally broken into? And what sources would you have her reveal? Is she to say, "Oh, the stranger that broke into my room and almost murdered me." That is the entire point, good sir, of a threat--that you cannot locate the source.

Can I have an unbiased thought on this? I have to leave, but I really must know if anyone else thinks that response is totally inappropriate.

Co-OP Ruling: It is kinda strange Denyse wouldn't at least send a guard or something. Seriously. Learn to work with one another now that your characters are so intertwined.

With such an understanding, I would politely--albeit my patience wears thin--request that your post be edited appropriately, and that Lady Denyse replies in a legitimate matter to Margaery. If, within the next six hours, you do not reply to this, I will prepare Margaery to reply to Lady Denyse in the absurd fashion with which she is addressing Margaery.

by **Givious** » Wed May 28, 2014 3:12 pm

Jade Confederacy wrote:
Givious wrote:So we haven't buried the old regent before we put a non claimant on the throne... smmmmooooottthhhh

the queen was probably burned in the first few week as waiting a month would let her body rot. not my call though, the starks would be the ones who decide when to burn her body

A lot of the points I would of pointed out on your claims would of been made at the small council meeting.... which doesn't matter because you time skipped

by **Jade Confederacy** » Wed May 28, 2014 3:24 pm

Givious wrote:
Jade Confederacy wrote:the queen was probably burned in the first few week as waiting a month would let her body rot. not my call though, the starks would be the ones who decide when to burn her body

A lot of the points I would of pointed out on your claims would of been made at the small council meeting.... which doesn't matter because you time skipped

Again, small council dosnt matter. Anyone who openly objects will be replaced.

by **Mormak** » Wed May 28, 2014 3:35 pm

Jade Confederacy wrote:
Givious wrote:
A lot of the points I would of pointed out on your claims would of been made at the small council meeting.... which doesn't matter because you time skipped

Again, small council dosnt matter. Anyone who openly objects will be replaced.

You really, are just hoping for rebellion aren't you?

by **Givious** » Wed May 28, 2014 3:44 pm

Jade Confederacy wrote:
Givious wrote:
A lot of the points I would of pointed out on your claims would of been made at the small council meeting.... which doesn't matter because you time skipped

Again, small council dosnt matter. Anyone who openly objects will be replaced.

Anyone who objects will be replaced? REALLY??

EDIT: Ok Cersei

by **Mormak** » Wed May 28, 2014 3:47 pm

Givious wrote:
Jade Confederacy wrote:Again, small council dosnt matter. Anyone who openly objects will be replaced.

Anyone who objects will be replaced? REALLY??

EDIT: Ok Cersei

Hey! She at least did it smart, she removed them carefully, never gave offense they could react to, had them covertly killed, or sent off so far from court they didn't matter.

She knew how to play the game half decently, It's just she didn't know to react to situations well.

by **Givious** » Wed May 28, 2014 3:56 pm

Mormak wrote:
Givious wrote:
Anyone who objects will be replaced? REALLY??

EDIT: Ok Cersei

Hey! She at least did it smart, she removed them carefully, never gave offense they could react to, had them covertly killed, or sent off so far from court they didn't matter.

She knew how to play the game half decently, It's just she didn't know to react to situations well.

Her problem was she DID REACT to situations.... she never took time to assess the situation, she just acted

by **Mormak** » Wed May 28, 2014 4:05 pm

Givious wrote:
Mormak wrote:
Hey! She at least did it smart, she removed them carefully, never gave offense they could react to, had them covertly killed, or sent off so far from court they didn't matter.

She knew how to play the game half decently, It's just she didn't know to react to situations well.

Her problem was she DID REACT to situations.... she never took time to assess the situation, she just acted

True.

by **Lunas Legion** » Wed May 28, 2014 4:28 pm

Mormak wrote:
Givious wrote:
Her problem was she DID REACT to situations.... she never took time to assess the situation, she just acted

True.

And gave power to the wrong people. Really? Letting a former pirate crew your fancy new dromonds with other criminals? Definitely not going to go pirate... Not at all...

by **Mormak** » Wed May 28, 2014 4:38 pm

Lunas Legion wrote:
Mormak wrote:
True.

And gave power to the wrong people. Really? Letting a former pirate crew your fancy new dromonds with other criminals? Definitely not going to go pirate... Not at all...

They "went pirate" when she got imprisoned by the Faith, not before.

I think that is often overlooked.

Oh and lunas so the crowning is canon?

by **Jade Confederacy** » Wed May 28, 2014 4:49 pm

Givious wrote:
Jade Confederacy wrote:Again, small council dosnt matter. Anyone who openly objects will be replaced.

Anyone who objects will be replaced? REALLY??

EDIT: Ok Cersei

of course. which monarch would employ a adviser that objects to their right to rule?

by **Logistica Suprema** » Wed May 28, 2014 4:51 pm

Jade Confederacy wrote:
Givious wrote:
Anyone who objects will be replaced? REALLY??

EDIT: Ok Cersei

of course. which monarch would employ a adviser that objects to their right to rule?

Intelligent ones. I would also remind you that Lord Stark shall be regent, making him King De Facto. Furthermore, would you be so courteous as to acknowledge the above post made by myself, directed at you?

by **Jade Confederacy** » Wed May 28, 2014 4:55 pm

Logistica Suprema wrote:
Jade Confederacy wrote:of course. which monarch would employ a adviser that objects to their right to rule?

Intelligent ones. I would also remind you that Lord Stark shall be regent, making him King De Facto. Furthermore, would you be so courteous as to acknowledge the above post made by myself, directed at you?

Yes, he would be the ones making the appointments, but i will be Hand and we'll share power so i'll also have a say in it. I will not allow council men to openly object to Lora's right to rule as that will weaken his position and cause internal conflict.

As for your list of objections, all im trying to do is force you to reveal your sources. I will also not allow Margery to get to KL before the 29th day as she is needed in Highgarden to consummate the marriage. After that, she is free to travel to KL with escort to attend her brother's coronation

by **Logistica Suprema** » Wed May 28, 2014 5:00 pm

Jade Confederacy wrote:
Logistica Suprema wrote:
Intelligent ones. I would also remind you that Lord Stark shall be regent, making him King De Facto. Furthermore, would you be so courteous as to acknowledge the above post made by myself, directed at you?

Yes, he would be the ones making the appointments, but i will be Hand and we'll share power so i'll also have a say in it.

By comparison, you are Ned and he is Robert, if we are talking solely about positions. Remind me again who felt there should be no Tourney of the Hand, and remind me again if there was one.

Furthermore, I reiterate my yes-no question: Would you acknowledge the above post made by myself, directed at you?

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