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Nuxipal
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Postby Nuxipal » Wed May 28, 2014 7:16 am

Socialist Czechia wrote:piece of advice, never enter room with an ironborn alone, especially if you don't know what he or she is capable of.
seriously, which person in such dangerous position can also not only piss off but try to directly threaten one of the crazy zealous raiders with even no handcuffs? :p


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Jade Confederacy
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Postby Jade Confederacy » Wed May 28, 2014 10:23 am

Keznov wrote:Ya no....Jade please retconn the coronation...it isn't going to be allowed to proceed that fast by anyone...we still need to do the funeral, Small Council will meet on Loras' legitimacy and all that stuff.

EDIT: Oh yes, I've basically started my walk to the Small Council chambers, so for all those relevant.

I put it on the 35 th day, you can do that stuff in the week in between. I'm tired of waiting on all of you to post. I've drafted the coordination weeks ago waiting for all of your meetings to finish. I will only retconn if th co op demands it.

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Postby Lunas Legion » Wed May 28, 2014 10:29 am

Jade Confederacy wrote:
Keznov wrote:Ya no....Jade please retconn the coronation...it isn't going to be allowed to proceed that fast by anyone...we still need to do the funeral, Small Council will meet on Loras' legitimacy and all that stuff.

EDIT: Oh yes, I've basically started my walk to the Small Council chambers, so for all those relevant.

I put it on the 35 th day, you can do that stuff in the week in between. I'm tired of waiting on all of you to post. I've drafted the coordination weeks ago waiting for all of your meetings to finish. I will only retconn if th co op demands it.


Right.

Firstly, there isn't a funeral as such, since Dany would've had herself cremated like Drogo was, and such a cremation would more than likely take place after any coronation, so swap the dates round.

Secondly, would the Hightowers have sent letters proclaiming Loras Tyrell as King to the rest of the Lords Paramount or not?
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Jade Confederacy
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Postby Jade Confederacy » Wed May 28, 2014 10:43 am

Lunas Legion wrote:Right.

Firstly, there isn't a funeral as such, since Dany would've had herself cremated like Drogo was, and such a cremation would more than likely take place after any coronation, so swap the dates round.

Secondly, would the Hightowers have sent letters proclaiming Loras Tyrell as King to the rest of the Lords Paramount or not?

Just people around Kings Landing. The letters to the others will go in my next post

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Postby Givious » Wed May 28, 2014 10:57 am

Jade Confederacy wrote:
Lunas Legion wrote:Right.

Firstly, there isn't a funeral as such, since Dany would've had herself cremated like Drogo was, and such a cremation would more than likely take place after any coronation, so swap the dates round.

Secondly, would the Hightowers have sent letters proclaiming Loras Tyrell as King to the rest of the Lords Paramount or not?

Just people around Kings Landing. The letters to the others will go in my next post


You would need the lord paramounts to be there to declare fealty... also we are on the 29th day for the weeding, and the next day we sail for kings landing (about a day by boat) meaning Blackfyre would arrive prior to your boy getting the crown put on his head....
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Postby Lunas Legion » Wed May 28, 2014 10:58 am

Givious wrote:
Jade Confederacy wrote:Just people around Kings Landing. The letters to the others will go in my next post


You would need the lord paramounts to be there to declare fealty... also we are on the 29th day for the weeding, and the next day we sail for kings landing (about a day by boat) meaning Blackfyre would arrive prior to your boy getting the crown put on his head....


Have Blackfyre be delayed by storms or some such.
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Keznov
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Postby Keznov » Wed May 28, 2014 10:59 am

Givious wrote:
Jade Confederacy wrote:Just people around Kings Landing. The letters to the others will go in my next post


You would need the lord paramounts to be there to declare fealty... also we are on the 29th day for the weeding, and the next day we sail for kings landing (about a day by boat) meaning Blackfyre would arrive prior to your boy getting the crown put on his head....


Well the Blackfyres won't be allowed in the city. If they stepped foot in it they'd be put to the death as per orders. Otherwise, I still object...there are stuff to be sorted be for we crown the King. We will only crown him once all is sorted.
And who are you, the proud lord said,
that I must bow so low?
Only a cat of a different coat,
that's all the truth I know.
In a coat of gold or a coat of red,
a lion still has claws,
And mine are long and sharp, my lord,
as long and sharp as yours.
And so he spoke, and so he spoke,
that lord of Castamere,
But now the rains weep o'er his hall,
with no one there to hear.
Yes now the rains weep o'er his hall,
and not a soul to hear.

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Jade Confederacy
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Postby Jade Confederacy » Wed May 28, 2014 11:25 am

Keznov wrote:
Givious wrote:
You would need the lord paramounts to be there to declare fealty... also we are on the 29th day for the weeding, and the next day we sail for kings landing (about a day by boat) meaning Blackfyre would arrive prior to your boy getting the crown put on his head....


Well the Blackfyres won't be allowed in the city. If they stepped foot in it they'd be put to the death as per orders. Otherwise, I still object...there are stuff to be sorted be for we crown the King. We will only crown him once all is sorted.

No, the coronation is to declare his candidacy for the kingship. To drag your feet in this is to allow the other factions to build up their forces. Besides what are you afraid of? The tyrell faction is already the largest by far in terms of military and resources.
Tyrell faction- 180k troops, 300-400 ships. Not to mention the mercenaries I hired.
The braratheon faction would be a far second with 100k troops and 100 ships
The blackfyre only have 80k troops and ~200 ships
We have the advantage, if the other push their claims now, they would lose.

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Mormak
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Postby Mormak » Wed May 28, 2014 11:30 am

Givious wrote:
Jade Confederacy wrote:Just people around Kings Landing. The letters to the others will go in my next post


You would need the lord paramounts to be there to declare fealty... also we are on the 29th day for the weeding, and the next day we sail for kings landing (about a day by boat) meaning Blackfyre would arrive prior to your boy getting the crown put on his head....


Actually just Tywin himself is leaving, unless if any of Craissus feel like coming with him on the voyage.

He is leaving Lord Monford to command the Blackfyre forces in his stead, whom will be remaining on Dragonstone until i figure out what to do with them.

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Mormak
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Postby Mormak » Wed May 28, 2014 11:30 am

Lunas Legion wrote:
Givious wrote:
You would need the lord paramounts to be there to declare fealty... also we are on the 29th day for the weeding, and the next day we sail for kings landing (about a day by boat) meaning Blackfyre would arrive prior to your boy getting the crown put on his head....


Have Blackfyre be delayed by storms or some such.


For nearly a week? on a voyage that can take a day by Oar?

._.

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Keznov
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Postby Keznov » Wed May 28, 2014 11:32 am

Jade Confederacy wrote:
Keznov wrote:
Well the Blackfyres won't be allowed in the city. If they stepped foot in it they'd be put to the death as per orders. Otherwise, I still object...there are stuff to be sorted be for we crown the King. We will only crown him once all is sorted.

No, the coronation is to declare his candidacy for the kingship. To drag your feet in this is to allow the other factions to build up their forces. Besides what are you afraid of? The tyrell faction is already the largest by far in terms of military and resources.
Tyrell faction- 180k troops, 300-400 ships. Not to mention the mercenaries I hired.
The braratheon faction would be a far second with 100k troops and 100 ships
The blackfyre only have 80k troops and ~200 ships
We have the advantage, if the other push their claims now, they would lose.


Well, I had hoped to speak to the Small Council, speak with Loras and other things before a coronation. I'd prefer you not rush it and leave the coronation for a little bit from now. It's going to happen.
And who are you, the proud lord said,
that I must bow so low?
Only a cat of a different coat,
that's all the truth I know.
In a coat of gold or a coat of red,
a lion still has claws,
And mine are long and sharp, my lord,
as long and sharp as yours.
And so he spoke, and so he spoke,
that lord of Castamere,
But now the rains weep o'er his hall,
with no one there to hear.
Yes now the rains weep o'er his hall,
and not a soul to hear.

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Lunas Legion
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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Lunas Legion » Wed May 28, 2014 11:33 am

Mormak wrote:
Lunas Legion wrote:
Have Blackfyre be delayed by storms or some such.


For nearly a week? on a voyage that can take a day by Oar?

._.


Ships can be easily destroyed, and replacements can be difficult to find.
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Postby Lunas Legion » Wed May 28, 2014 11:35 am

Jade Confederacy wrote:
Keznov wrote:
Well the Blackfyres won't be allowed in the city. If they stepped foot in it they'd be put to the death as per orders. Otherwise, I still object...there are stuff to be sorted be for we crown the King. We will only crown him once all is sorted.

No, the coronation is to declare his candidacy for the kingship. To drag your feet in this is to allow the other factions to build up their forces. Besides what are you afraid of? The tyrell faction is already the largest by far in terms of military and resources.
Tyrell faction- 180k troops, 300-400 ships. Not to mention the mercenaries I hired.
The braratheon faction would be a far second with 100k troops and 100 ships
The blackfyre only have 80k troops and ~200 ships
We have the advantage, if the other push their claims now, they would lose.


The Tyrells are in a bad position though: their own forces and those of the Starks are split by sheer distance, and what other houses do you have behind you for OP reference since I'm going to edit the supporters?
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Jade Confederacy
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Postby Jade Confederacy » Wed May 28, 2014 11:45 am

Lunas Legion wrote:
Jade Confederacy wrote:No, the coronation is to declare his candidacy for the kingship. To drag your feet in this is to allow the other factions to build up their forces. Besides what are you afraid of? The tyrell faction is already the largest by far in terms of military and resources.
Tyrell faction- 180k troops, 300-400 ships. Not to mention the mercenaries I hired.
The braratheon faction would be a far second with 100k troops and 100 ships
The blackfyre only have 80k troops and ~200 ships
We have the advantage, if the other push their claims now, they would lose.


The Tyrells are in a bad position though: their own forces and those of the Starks are split by sheer distance, and what other houses do you have behind you for OP reference since I'm going to edit the supporters?

Some of the crownlander forces since they are in support of the regency. also, all the other factions suffer the same problem. the riverlands and stormlands are split by the crownlands. the westerlands is as far from the stepstones as the reach is from he north. it all even out in the end.
so far house tyrell is supported by house hightower of the Reach and Stark of the North. more will declare in my favor later

@Keznov: the small council dosnt matter. if they refuse too acknowledge loras, they wont be able to keep their positions on the new council. you can deak with them in the week in between if you wish. the IC is only about a month in so far
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Keznov
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Postby Keznov » Wed May 28, 2014 11:46 am

Jade Confederacy wrote:
Lunas Legion wrote:
The Tyrells are in a bad position though: their own forces and those of the Starks are split by sheer distance, and what other houses do you have behind you for OP reference since I'm going to edit the supporters?

Some of the crownlander forces since they are in support of the regency. also, all the other factions suffer the same problem. the riverlands and stormlands are split by the crownlands. the westerlands is as far from the stepstones as the reach is from he north. it all even out in the end.
so far house tyrell is supported by house hightower of the Reach and Stark of the North. more will declare in my favor later


Read my comment above please.
And who are you, the proud lord said,
that I must bow so low?
Only a cat of a different coat,
that's all the truth I know.
In a coat of gold or a coat of red,
a lion still has claws,
And mine are long and sharp, my lord,
as long and sharp as yours.
And so he spoke, and so he spoke,
that lord of Castamere,
But now the rains weep o'er his hall,
with no one there to hear.
Yes now the rains weep o'er his hall,
and not a soul to hear.

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Postby Givious » Wed May 28, 2014 11:47 am

You may have the largest army, but they are all in the Reach (other than the 40k) and those forces you do have marshaled we can equal or neutralize through tactics. They are outside the wall, with no defense (other than maybe earthan ramparts), with a few thousand men (20,000+) we could take them at the right time
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Patience is not an absence of action;
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Socialist Czechia
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Postby Socialist Czechia » Wed May 28, 2014 11:53 am

Nuxipal wrote:
Socialist Czechia wrote:piece of advice, never enter room with an ironborn alone, especially if you don't know what he or she is capable of.
seriously, which person in such dangerous position can also not only piss off but try to directly threaten one of the crazy zealous raiders with even no handcuffs? :p


Piece of advice: Never go in hand to hand combat with a man wearing armor when you yourself have none. Also, never go in hand to hand combat against someone who is quite literally twice your size and their defining features are strength and size.

Second Piece of advise: Don't go one posting kills. That is frowned upon.


Look, you can kill her now and we have a crisis big as two shits nevertheless.

It seems no one kicked you to the balls yet. even if you were in full plate armor with metal codpiece protecting balls (unlikely, though), simple surgical kick by normal boots wouldn't be supressed completely. It was meant to protect balls from cuts, not kicks.

You can check it up in real world. let someone to kick you there, while you will try protect balls with metal mug :p

But he's dead. Period.
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"Those who reached my boundary, their seed is not; their hearts and their souls are finished forever and ever. As for those who had assembled before them on the sea, the full flame was their front before the harbour mouths, and a wall of metal upon the shore surrounded them. They were dragged, overturned, and laid low upon the beach; slain and made heaps from stern to bow of their galleys, while all their things were cast upon the water." - Ramesses III., Battle of the Delta

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Jade Confederacy
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Postby Jade Confederacy » Wed May 28, 2014 11:54 am

Givious wrote:You may have the largest army, but they are all in the Reach (other than the 40k) and those forces you do have marshaled we can equal or neutralize through tactics. They are outside the wall, with no defense (other than maybe earthan ramparts), with a few thousand men (20,000+) we could take them at the right time

Its 40k vs 20k. Even if you have the element of surprise, which is unlikely, things are not going to look good for you in a battle. Also, what are you going to do about my other 100k gathering outside of Highgarden? About the 12k mercenaries sailing to KL? About the Stark host marching down from the north?

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Postby Givious » Wed May 28, 2014 11:58 am

Jade Confederacy wrote:
Givious wrote:You may have the largest army, but they are all in the Reach (other than the 40k) and those forces you do have marshaled we can equal or neutralize through tactics. They are outside the wall, with no defense (other than maybe earthan ramparts), with a few thousand men (20,000+) we could take them at the right time

Its 40k vs 20k. Even if you have the element of surprise, which is unlikely, things are not going to look good for you in a battle. Also, what are you going to do about my other 100k gathering outside of Highgarden? About the 12k mercenaries sailing to KL? About the Stark host marching down from the north?


How did Dorne stop the Targaryens and their dragons? Tactics.

Unfortunately war does not boil down to mathematics, as you are measuring it
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Patience is not an absence of action;
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Postby Lunas Legion » Wed May 28, 2014 12:00 pm

Jade Confederacy wrote:
Givious wrote:You may have the largest army, but they are all in the Reach (other than the 40k) and those forces you do have marshaled we can equal or neutralize through tactics. They are outside the wall, with no defense (other than maybe earthan ramparts), with a few thousand men (20,000+) we could take them at the right time

Its 40k vs 20k. Even if you have the element of surprise, which is unlikely, things are not going to look good for you in a battle. Also, what are you going to do about my other 100k gathering outside of Highgarden? About the 12k mercenaries sailing to KL? About the Stark host marching down from the north?


12k in mercs can be stopped with the ships under Blackfyre-Velarion. Stark host can be neutralised by the Riverlands, or if not, then heavily bruised.
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Mormak
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Postby Mormak » Wed May 28, 2014 12:00 pm

Socialist Czechia wrote:
Nuxipal wrote:
Piece of advice: Never go in hand to hand combat with a man wearing armor when you yourself have none. Also, never go in hand to hand combat against someone who is quite literally twice your size and their defining features are strength and size.

Second Piece of advise: Don't go one posting kills. That is frowned upon.


Look, you can kill her now and we have a crisis big as two shits nevertheless.

But he's dead. Period.


From a blow a half decent Gorget would stop? While in Armor? Your either dreaming or entirely too confident in sea weed martial arts.

Also if i recall correctly the rules of roleplay, autohitting of a PC is godmodding. (Without player permission)
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Postby Jade Confederacy » Wed May 28, 2014 12:02 pm

Givious wrote:
Jade Confederacy wrote:Its 40k vs 20k. Even if you have the element of surprise, which is unlikely, things are not going to look good for you in a battle. Also, what are you going to do about my other 100k gathering outside of Highgarden? About the 12k mercenaries sailing to KL? About the Stark host marching down from the north?


How did Dorne stop the Targaryens and their dragons? Tactics.

Unfortunately war does not boil down to mathematics, as you are measuring it

Dorne had terrain advantage. Its very hard to feed and supply troops in the middle of a desert. The crownlands is like a extension of the riverlands-there are no terrain advantages. As Stannis said, 9/10 time the bigger army wins

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Postby Lunas Legion » Wed May 28, 2014 12:04 pm

Jade Confederacy wrote:
Givious wrote:
How did Dorne stop the Targaryens and their dragons? Tactics.

Unfortunately war does not boil down to mathematics, as you are measuring it

Dorne had terrain advantage. Its very hard to feed and supply troops in the middle of a desert. The crownlands is like a extension of the riverlands-there are no terrain advantages. As Stannis said, 9/10 time the bigger army wins


Depends where and the terrain. 10,000 horse archers would break a much larger infantry host if it were without cavalry on the steppe.
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Postby Jade Confederacy » Wed May 28, 2014 12:05 pm

Lunas Legion wrote:
Jade Confederacy wrote:Its 40k vs 20k. Even if you have the element of surprise, which is unlikely, things are not going to look good for you in a battle. Also, what are you going to do about my other 100k gathering outside of Highgarden? About the 12k mercenaries sailing to KL? About the Stark host marching down from the north?


12k in mercs can be stopped with the ships under Blackfyre-Velarion. Stark host can be neutralised by the Riverlands, or if not, then heavily bruised.

True. But is the Blackfyre fleet positioned to do so? Did house Tully mobilize its forces? What about the Royal fleet, which is under the command of the regency? The Redwyne-Oldtown fleet and the main Reach host? Unless all the other factions and regions band together, the Tyrell faction is in no real danger.

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Postby Givious » Wed May 28, 2014 12:09 pm

Jade Confederacy wrote:
Lunas Legion wrote:
12k in mercs can be stopped with the ships under Blackfyre-Velarion. Stark host can be neutralised by the Riverlands, or if not, then heavily bruised.

True. But is the Blackfyre fleet positioned to do so? Did house Tully mobilize its forces? What about the Royal fleet, which is under the command of the regency? The Redwyne-Oldtown fleet and the main Reach host? Unless all the other factions and regions band together, the Tyrell faction is in no real danger.


Also I may of missed it but other than pure "strength" what is Loras' claim to the throne
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Patience is not an absence of action;
rather it is "timing"
it waits on the right time to act,
for the right principles
and in the right way.”

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