Game of Thrones: Aftermath (OOC)

[Imperium Nova]

Also, Jade, who greeted the Hightower ambassador? Rhaenys (the sister of Daemon), Aegon (the brother of Daemon) or both?

I dont care. The meeting already did its purpose in my eyes: now go hatch those eggs
Also, people dont know the visitors are affiliate with the Hightowers, so please no metagaming

Okay, I'll just have it that Aegon met them in a dark night.

[Valentir]

I hope the Ironborn attack Oldtown first. I may even let them pass if they should try anything. House Hightower must be burned!

[Jade Confederacy]

In your post, you specify that Rhaenys Blackfyre was meant by "several men in black" at the Stepstones. If you are trying to imply that these ships belonged to House Hightower, I would have to inquire where House Hightower came to pose two dragon eggs. Also, if it is House Hightower, what percent of wealth would you say that is to them?

They were from a third part either hired or connected with the Hightowers with several degrees of separation. A quarter million is also not a very big deal with the Hightowers, since they control a majority of trade in the South as well as the tax revenue in the southern Reach (from which he could embezzle a percentage). Also, the Hightowers can always borrow from the Iron bank if its warchest becomes depleted

[Krumbia]

House Crassius and Greyjoy, I've got letters for you at the bottom of page 2 in the IC, just in case you didn't know.

[Mormak]

If you are heading to the Crownlands aka King's Landing, you would need travel northward which is good because while our direction may be opposite our course would more or less set us in meeting in the Narrow Sea.

Also 800 oar? That's bigger then anything presented into GOT, Behemoth would be a better name.

Well, it is the new name for the former flagship Lord Tywin, which sported twice as many oars as the last flagship, King Robert's Hammer, which had 400 oars. And perhaps going with the rest of the dragon names for the other ships, then perhaps Balerion would be a nice name.

OH!

Thank goodness.

Here i was actually starting to sweat how i would take that thing down, Its near eighty years old though.

Older then Tywin was when he died

Any half decent ram ship could breach those moldy old particle board thin planks now.

._. Made me worried there for a moment, Shame on you!

[Jade Confederacy]

I hope the Ironborn attack Oldtown first. I may even let them pass if they should try anything. House Hightower must be burned!

Oldtown is the most heavily defended port in Southern Westeros. its wealth and size would warrant huge coastal walls for protection. Not to mention the Hightower fleet is based there and the Reach fleet is not based far away.

[Imperium Nova]

Well, it is the new name for the former flagship Lord Tywin, which sported twice as many oars as the last flagship, King Robert's Hammer, which had 400 oars. And perhaps going with the rest of the dragon names for the other ships, then perhaps Balerion would be a nice name.

OH!

Thank goodness.

Here i was actually starting to sweat how i would take that thing down, Its near eighty years old though.

Older then Tywin was when he died

Any half decent ram ship could breach those moldy old particle board thin planks now.

._. Made me worried there for a moment, Shame on you!

Hey, you no come close to my flagship. It be a fine ship, arrr, a fine ship. (We're pirates, remember?) Also, as long as you replace some of the timber once in a while wooden ships can last for a long long time. Also, this ship used to bear your name, you can't just ram it down like that.

Also, on the whole gold dragon thing, calculating the prices for wine in Westeros and compared to the real world, one gold dragon would be around 13,000 euros. Or 1/4 of a million gold dragons would be around 3.25 billion euros.

[Mormak]

I hope the Ironborn attack Oldtown first. I may even let them pass if they should try anything. House Hightower must be burned!

Oldtown is the most heavily defended port in Southern Westeros. its wealth and size would warrant huge coastal walls for protection. Not to mention the Hightower fleet is based there and the Reach fleet is not based far away.

Its wealth you seemingly blew on Dragon Eggs and wine to court the pretenders to the throne

Where do these walls come from?

[Valentir]

I hope the Ironborn attack Oldtown first. I may even let them pass if they should try anything. House Hightower must be burned!

Oldtown is the most heavily defended port in Southern Westeros. its wealth and size would warrant huge coastal walls for protection. Not to mention the Hightower fleet is based there and the Reach fleet is not based far away.

Good for you, want a cookie?

[Jade Confederacy]

OH!

Thank goodness.

Here i was actually starting to sweat how i would take that thing down, Its near eighty years old though.

Older then Tywin was when he died

Any half decent ram ship could breach those moldy old particle board thin planks now.

._. Made me worried there for a moment, Shame on you!

Hey, you no come close to my flagship. It be a fine ship, arrr, a fine ship. (We're pirates, remember?) Also, as long as you replace some of the timber once in a while wooden ships can last for a long long time. Also, this ship used to bear your name, you can't just ram it down like that.

Also, on the whole gold dragon thing, calculating the prices for wine in Westeros and compared to the real world, one gold dragon would be around 13,000 euros. Or 1/4 of a million gold dragons would be around 3.25 billion euros.

They Royal Wedding costed that much. Do you really think they spent that much on a wedding? Or a billion euros on a turny prize? Its alot of money sure, but not THAT much

[Mormak]

OH!

Thank goodness.

Here i was actually starting to sweat how i would take that thing down, Its near eighty years old though.

Older then Tywin was when he died

Any half decent ram ship could breach those moldy old particle board thin planks now.

._. Made me worried there for a moment, Shame on you!

Hey, you no come close to my flagship. It be a fine ship, arrr, a fine ship. (We're pirates, remember?) Also, as long as you replace some of the timber once in a while wooden ships can last for a long long time. Also, this ship used to bear your name, you can't just ram it down like that.

Also, on the whole gold dragon thing, calculating the prices for wine in Westeros and compared to the real world, one gold dragon would be around 13,000 euros. Or 1/4 of a million gold dragons would be around 3.25 billion euros.

I am not saying i would not prefer try retaking it, but its a foeship.

No use crying about having to sink it when its trying to place an illegitimate cousin of a bastard, who once walked down the street from a Targy at the same time on the throne though.

Hey, you no come close to my flagship. It be a fine ship, arrr, a fine ship. (We're pirates, remember?) Also, as long as you replace some of the timber once in a while wooden ships can last for a long long time. Also, this ship used to bear your name, you can't just ram it down like that.

Also, on the whole gold dragon thing, calculating the prices for wine in Westeros and compared to the real world, one gold dragon would be around 13,000 euros. Or 1/4 of a million gold dragons would be around 3.25 billion euros.

They Royal Wedding costed that much. Do you really think they spent that much on a wedding? Or a billion euros on a turny prize? Its alot of money sure, but not THAT much

It's called inflation, Feudalistic societies were famous for it.

[Logistica Suprema]

In your post, you specify that Rhaenys Blackfyre was meant by "several men in black" at the Stepstones. If you are trying to imply that these ships belonged to House Hightower, I would have to inquire where House Hightower came to pose two dragon eggs. Also, if it is House Hightower, what percent of wealth would you say that is to them?

They were from a third part either hired or connected with the Hightowers with several degrees of separation. A quarter million is also not a very big deal with the Hightowers, since they control a majority of trade in the South as well as the tax revenue in the southern Reach (from which he could embezzle a percentage). Also, the Hightowers can always borrow from the Iron bank if its warchest becomes depleted

I assure you, House Tyrell would be aware of any percentage that was embezzled. Garlan Tyrell may have spies throughout the Seven Kingdoms, but Willas Tyrell was not without ears in the Reach. Also, House Hightower would most probably not be able to loan from the Iron Bank (if I may be so bold), if only because the Iron Bank may doubt their ability to repay the wealth later if they have no money at the time. House Hightower may gain money fast, but not nearly fast enough for the Iron Bank. House Tyrell or House Lannister would be more likely candidates for the loan.

[Imperium Nova]

Hey, you no come close to my flagship. It be a fine ship, arrr, a fine ship. (We're pirates, remember?) Also, as long as you replace some of the timber once in a while wooden ships can last for a long long time. Also, this ship used to bear your name, you can't just ram it down like that.

Also, on the whole gold dragon thing, calculating the prices for wine in Westeros and compared to the real world, one gold dragon would be around 13,000 euros. Or 1/4 of a million gold dragons would be around 3.25 billion euros.

They Royal Wedding costed that much. Do you really think they spent that much on a wedding? Or a billion euros on a turny prize? Its alot of money sure, but not THAT much

Well, the crown was 6 million golden dragons in debt, which was seen as just a colossal debt. That would be just shy of 78 billion euros.

[Mormak]

Wow, that Tyrell vassal is getting rather big for its britches...

._. Hightower bares watching in the future. If for nothing else then amusement if Tyrell should prove why its House Tyrell.

[Imperium Nova]

Wow, that Tyrell vassal is getting rather big for its britches...

._. Hightower bares watching in the future. If for nothing else then amusement if Tyrell should prove why its House Tyrell.

Tyrell plan of action:
1. Support someones claim for the Throne/Claim the Throne
2. Raise the bannermen
3. Obliterate the Hightower
4. Lose men
5. Join the war
6. ???
7. Profit

[Zentrut]

Oi, Valestarks, my aunt is married into you, remember that, if it ain't in your app put it in there.

[Mormak]

Well Nova they are making their way through the Southern half of the Narrow Sea, if you feel like encountering Tywin now would be the time to chance upon his ship.

[Jade Confederacy]

I assure you, House Tyrell would be aware of any percentage that was embezzled. Garlan Tyrell may have spies throughout the Seven Kingdoms, but Willas Tyrell was not without ears in the Reach. Also, House Hightower would most probably not be able to loan from the Iron Bank (if I may be so bold), if only because the Iron Bank may doubt their ability to repay the wealth later if they have no money at the time. House Hightower may gain money fast, but not nearly fast enough for the Iron Bank. House Tyrell or House Lannister would be more likely candidates for the loan.

Embezzling money was easy in the age of bad record keeping and poor tax collection. Its almost expected that a portion of the tax be embezzled either on the local level or by people higher up in the food chain. Also, the iron bank lends to anyone with the potential to pay them back. Have you heard banks refusing business because the customer is not a major corporation or the government? Plus a network of spies would need time to build up as Varys's network took decades to form. Garlen's wouldn't have the potential to access the Hightower record books until much later on.

[Logistica Suprema]

Wow, that Tyrell vassal is getting rather big for its britches...

._. Hightower bares watching in the future. If for nothing else then amusement if Tyrell should prove why its House Tyrell.

Tyrell plan of action:
1. Support someones claim for the Throne/Claim the Throne
2. Raise the bannermen
3. Obliterate the Hightower
4. Lose men
5. Join the war
6. ???
7. Profit

House Tyrell is forever against civil war, especially civil Reachmen war. Burnt fields draw no crops, nor stricken orchards wine. House Tyrell only draws the sword when provoked. It is in the hands of House Hightower as to whether they wish to provoke House Tyrell. Some people believe that the thorns of a rose were once poisoned, and nothing could harm them without dying itself . . .

[Imperium Nova]

Well Nova they are making their way through the Southern half of the Narrow Sea, if you feel like encountering Tywin now would be the time to chance upon his ship.

Yep, gonna make a post now about them seeing the Lannister ship far off. Also, regarding the standard of the dromonds from earlier, would it be wise to have the ships be replaced after some time? Ah well, I think I will have another dromond built, which would be the new flagship, and name it Balerion. This one with 800 oars aswell, just to impress those picky Lannisters.

[Imperium Nova]

Tyrell plan of action:
1. Support someones claim for the Throne/Claim the Throne
2. Raise the bannermen
3. Obliterate the Hightower
4. Lose men
5. Join the war
6. ???
7. Profit

House Tyrell is forever against civil war, especially civil Reachmen war. Burnt fields draw no crops, nor stricken orchards wine. House Tyrell only draws the sword when provoked. It is in the hands of House Hightower as to whether they wish to provoke House Tyrell. Some people believe that the thorns of a rose were once poisoned, and nothing could harm them without dying itself . . .

Well, the Tyrells could also make moves towards the Blackfyres, and we would all just live happily in a great big family.

[Mormak]

Well Nova they are making their way through the Southern half of the Narrow Sea, if you feel like encountering Tywin now would be the time to chance upon his ship.

Yep, gonna make a post now about them seeing the Lannister ship far off. Also, regarding the standard of the dromonds from earlier, would it be wise to have the ships be replaced after some time? Ah well, I think I will have another dromond built, which would be the new flagship, and name it Balerion. This one with 800 oars aswell, just to impress those picky Lannisters.

._.

You do realize that the Ten Royal ships within Lannisterport that Tywin contemplates stealing for his cause are of the same design and size of the Dromounds of Yesteryear yes?

800 Oar warships would come in handy in bolstering a navy that is mostly made up of 100 to 200 oar ships, with their larger ones only being 300 hundred. House Lannister paid for the bloody things, only fair they take them back now yeah?

Course that brings to question, who the bloody hell they would have manning those monstrosities given that their navy likely would need be expanded dramatically in manpower to crew all eight, plus their existing forces. Hence why he didn't order the seizure via Raven, he is unsure if the worth merits the cost.

Tywin is shrewd as all heck.

[Logistica Suprema]

I assure you, House Tyrell would be aware of any percentage that was embezzled. Garlan Tyrell may have spies throughout the Seven Kingdoms, but Willas Tyrell was not without ears in the Reach. Also, House Hightower would most probably not be able to loan from the Iron Bank (if I may be so bold), if only because the Iron Bank may doubt their ability to repay the wealth later if they have no money at the time. House Hightower may gain money fast, but not nearly fast enough for the Iron Bank. House Tyrell or House Lannister would be more likely candidates for the loan.

Embezzling money was easy in the age of bad record keeping and poor tax collection. Its almost expected that a portion of the tax be embezzled either on the local level or by people higher up in the food chain. Also, the iron bank lends to anyone with the potential to pay them back. Have you heard banks refusing business because the customer is not a major corporation or the government? Plus a network of spies would need time to build up as Varys's network took decades to form. Garlen's wouldn't have the potential to access the Hightower record books until much later on.

You will notice, I trust, that overlap periods of Willas Tyrell's life and Garlan Tyrell's de facto reign exist. A point-by-point, I think, would be helpful.

1: Willas Tyrell forms a spy system in the Reach. It survives until 360 AL, the year Willas Tyrell dies. During this time, House Hightower was infiltrated.

2: Garlan Tyrell forms a spy system in the Seven Kingdoms, starting in the Reach, in the year 358 AL. It still exists, and infiltrated House Hightower approximately one year after its formation, using both the help of Willas's system and the wealth of House Tyrell.

THUS: House Hightower has been monitored constantly since the formation of Willas Tyrell's spy system, before House Hightower became southern tax collectors.

Additionally, Varys was a singularly wealthy man. House Tyrell rivals House Lannister in its wealth. The spy system of Garlan Tyrell would grow much more quickly than that of Varys.

[Mormak]

*Cough You wish you were as well off as us Cough*

[Imperium Nova]

Yep, gonna make a post now about them seeing the Lannister ship far off. Also, regarding the standard of the dromonds from earlier, would it be wise to have the ships be replaced after some time? Ah well, I think I will have another dromond built, which would be the new flagship, and name it Balerion. This one with 800 oars aswell, just to impress those picky Lannisters.

._.

You do realize that the Ten Royal ships within Lannisterport that Tywin contemplates stealing for his cause are of the same design and size of the Dromounds of Yesteryear yes?

800 Oar warships would come in handy in bolstering a navy that is mostly made up of 100 to 200 oar ships, with their larger ones only being 300 hundred. House Lannister paid for the bloody things, only fair they take them back now yeah?

Course that brings to question, who the bloody hell they would have manning those monstrosities given that their navy likely would need be expanded dramatically in manpower to crew all eight, plus their existing forces. Hence why he didn't order the seizure via Raven, he is unsure if the worth merits the cost.

Tywin is shrewd as all heck.

Well, as it does not seem to advance too much in technology, as evidence by 360 years of no technological progress, or perhaps even 8000 years since the building of the Wall.

Most ships of the Stepstones are not in the navy itself, but small pirate ships used by the various pirate lords for private raiding, the ships that are in the navy are perhaps 100 to 200 oar ships, as in most other navies. Remember that 400 oar ship King Robert's Hammer was the largest one in the navy by far, and was the flagship. And Lannisters did not really pay it, Cersei loaned from the Iron Bank.

And who would be manning the ships? Pirates from the Stepstones would be the crew, and prisoners of wars and just normal prisoners would be manning the oars.