Guns of Our Forefathers (1700s, OOC)

[Emilio Aguinaldo]

1. Idunno, why are you asking me these questions?
2. Yes, but they maybe afraid of Iberia kicking their shits in after their woodenwall is gone.

How big my chance is if I attack Scandinavia now?

High.

[Emilio Aguinaldo]

I don't think your under trained military is going to be able to defeat a Kazakh army.

There not undertrained I have made it clear.
They train for three months.
I have a very high conscription rate. And my type of government makes it work.
Have you ever heard of a military hierarchy . Or a meritocracy? We'll that is what it is like for me.
Literally everyone in my oblast serves in the military in some way.
It may not be front line work but everyone even the children have a military rank.

It works.

Plus I allow women in my army awsell. Along with a conscript age of 15.

In three months your training would be how to fire, load, stand in a line. They will not shoot at the same time or even move in unison.

[Altito Asmoro]

I don't think your under trained military is going to be able to defeat a Kazakh army.

There not undertrained I have made it clear.
They train for three months.
I have a very high conscription rate. And my type of government makes it work.
Have you ever heard of a military hierarchy . Or a meritocracy? We'll that is what it is like for me.
Literally everyone in my oblast serves in the military in some way.
It may not be front line work but everyone even the children have a military rank.

It works.

Plus I allow women in my army awsell. Along with a conscript age of 15.

Clearly, you need training. Three months will only give them minimal experience. And women? Why you include women? Surely they have potentials not in field, but as intelligence agents.

[Liecthenbourg]

I don't think your under trained military is going to be able to defeat a Kazakh army.

There not undertrained I have made it clear.
They train for three months.
I have a very high conscription rate. And my type of government makes it work.
Have you ever heard of a military hierarchy . Or a meritocracy? We'll that is what it is like for me.
Literally everyone in my oblast serves in the military in some way.
It may not be front line work but everyone even the children have a military rank.

It works.

Plus I allow women in my army awsell. Along with a conscript age of 15.

It doesn't matter how many people you conscript, that makes the quality of the soldiers go down. The higher the % of your populace is in your military, the less effective they become until you've just got a giant mob that you use to try to swarm the enemy.

A good troop can march 100 kilometers in 20 hours.
They are marching 2200kilometers
You do the math.

No, they can't. Besides, we've already discussed that your troops are fairly undertrained.

Words of the OP^

[Emilio Aguinaldo]

There not undertrained I have made it clear.
They train for three months.
I have a very high conscription rate. And my type of government makes it work.
Have you ever heard of a military hierarchy . Or a meritocracy? We'll that is what it is like for me.
Literally everyone in my oblast serves in the military in some way.
It may not be front line work but everyone even the children have a military rank.

It works.

Plus I allow women in my army awsell. Along with a conscript age of 15.

Clearly, you need training. Three months will only give them minimal experience. And women? Why you include women? Surely they have potentials not in field, but as intelligence agents.

Could they keep up with men in the field with only that long a training?

[Archangelskl Oblast]

There not undertrained I have made it clear.
They train for three months.
I have a very high conscription rate. And my type of government makes it work.
Have you ever heard of a military hierarchy . Or a meritocracy? We'll that is what it is like for me.
Literally everyone in my oblast serves in the military in some way.
It may not be front line work but everyone even the children have a military rank.

It works.

Plus I allow women in my army awsell. Along with a conscript age of 15.

In three months your training would be how to fire, load, stand in a line. They will not shoot at the same time or even move in unison.

Thee months is more than long enough if you look at how long training was back then it was about a month or two at the most.

The average training time for even average modern military conscripts is 3 moths.
And it's more than enough to get past basics and into a few advanced things.

[Altito Asmoro]

Clearly, you need training. Three months will only give them minimal experience. And women? Why you include women? Surely they have potentials not in field, but as intelligence agents.

Could they keep up with men in the field with only that long a training?

Of course not. They can be referred as trained ashigaru in Shogun 2.

[Emilio Aguinaldo]

To be honest an overweight man can walk fourty kilometers in 20 hours if he didn’t need rest. What more can a fit soldier can?

[Archangelskl Oblast]

Clearly, you need training. Three months will only give them minimal experience. And women? Why you include women? Surely they have potentials not in field, but as intelligence agents.

Could they keep up with men in the field with only that long a training?

That's rather sexist..
I have served with several women when I was in the VDV.
They do just as good if not better than most men.

[Emilio Aguinaldo]

In three months your training would be how to fire, load, stand in a line. They will not shoot at the same time or even move in unison.

Thee months is more than long enough if you look at how long training was back then it was about a month or two at the most.

The average training time for even average modern military conscripts is 3 moths.
And it's more than enough to get past basics and into a few advanced things.

The Spanish took two to three years to achieve their standards...that was in the 1600s.

[Liecthenbourg]

In three months your training would be how to fire, load, stand in a line. They will not shoot at the same time or even move in unison.

Thee months is more than long enough if you look at how long training was back then it was about a month or two at the most.

The average training time for even average modern military conscripts is 3 moths.
And it's more than enough to get past basics and into a few advanced things.

That is where you will fail.
Conscripts wont be able to compete with a trained army.

[Emilio Aguinaldo]

Could they keep up with men in the field with only that long a training?

That's rather sexist..
I have served with several women when I was in the VDV.
They do just as good if not better than most men.

That’s the fucking ultramarine. We’re talking about people given three month training after being dragged out of their home.

[Archangelskl Oblast]

To be honest an overweight man can walk fourty kilometers in 20 hours if he didn’t need rest. What more can a fit soldier can?

A fit man at a sexy pace can walk 100 without rest.
But in my counculations I diled back the time for rest.
It would take 35-40 days of marching with 6 hours of rest a day.

[Archangelskl Oblast]

That's rather sexist..
I have served with several women when I was in the VDV.
They do just as good if not better than most men.

That’s the fucking ultramarine. We’re talking about people given three month training after being dragged out of their home.

I never said woman conscripts did i?.. Humm..
I ment that women can enlist if they want.
And it is highly encouraged.

But I have served with one woman who can put me and two other larger men on our backs before we could get to our guns.

[Emilio Aguinaldo]

Thee months is more than long enough if you look at how long training was back then it was about a month or two at the most.

The average training time for even average modern military conscripts is 3 moths.
And it's more than enough to get past basics and into a few advanced things.

That is where you will fail.
Conscripts wont be able to compete with a trained army.

Pikes are still viable right? I ain’t disbanding my tercos yet.

[Altito Asmoro]

Thee months is more than long enough if you look at how long training was back then it was about a month or two at the most.

The average training time for even average modern military conscripts is 3 moths.
And it's more than enough to get past basics and into a few advanced things.

That is where you will fail.
Conscripts wont be able to compete with a trained army.

Yes, as conscripts are not trained to be soldiers at start. They are trained to be civilians, except for the ones who are enlisted into the military by themselves.

That’s the fucking ultramarine. We’re talking about people given three month training after being dragged out of their home.

I never said woman conscripts did i?.. Humm..
I ment that women can enlist if they want.
And it is highly encouraged.

But I have served with one woman who can put me and two other larger men on our backs before we could get to our guns.

I believe you, but this is not the modern age.

[Liecthenbourg]

To be honest an overweight man can walk fourty kilometers in 20 hours if he didn’t need rest. What more can a fit soldier can?

A fit man at a sexy pace can walk 100 without rest.
But in my counculations I diled back the time for rest.
It would take 35-40 days of marching with 6 hours of rest a day.

Not with the figure you gave us of they'd be able to march 45km in 3 days.
Which is 15km a day.
2200 divided by 15 = 146.666666667
Just over 146 days.
Not factoring in rest, food, weather conditions, the fact your men are undertrained in a conscript levy swarm, etc.

[Altito Asmoro]

How big my chance is if I attack Scandinavia now?

High.

How high?

[Emilio Aguinaldo]

Soviet conscripts had twice or thrice the time given as training I believe. That was during cold war and not in WW2 where you are given either a rifle or ammo and then sent away to the battlefield.

[Emilio Aguinaldo]

High.

How high?

Higher than a pot smoker.

[Altito Asmoro]

How high?

Higher than a pot smoker.

Higher?

Soviet conscripts had twice or thrice the time given as training I believe. That was during cold war and not in WW2 where you are given either a rifle or ammo and then sent away to the battlefield.

But it's not in 1700s.

[Emilio Aguinaldo]

A fit man at a sexy pace can walk 100 without rest.
But in my counculations I diled back the time for rest.
It would take 35-40 days of marching with 6 hours of rest a day.

Not with the figure you gave us of they'd be able to march 45km in 3 days.
Which is 15km a day.
2200 divided by 15 = 146.666666667
Just over 146 days.
Not factoring in rest, food, weather conditions, the fact your men are undertrained in a conscript levy swarm, etc.

If they had a separate baggage train and they can travel with no load. They can march five kilometers in half an hour maybe even more.

[Emilio Aguinaldo]

Higher than a pot smoker.

Higher?

Soviet conscripts had twice or thrice the time given as training I believe. That was during cold war and not in WW2 where you are given either a rifle or ammo and then sent away to the battlefield.

But it's not in 1700s.

High as a kite?

[Liecthenbourg]

Not with the figure you gave us of they'd be able to march 45km in 3 days.
Which is 15km a day.
2200 divided by 15 = 146.666666667
Just over 146 days.
Not factoring in rest, food, weather conditions, the fact your men are undertrained in a conscript levy swarm, etc.

If they had a separate baggage train and they can travel with no load. They can march five kilometers in half an hour maybe even more.

If

[Archangelskl Oblast]

A fit man at a sexy pace can walk 100 without rest.
But in my counculations I diled back the time for rest.
It would take 35-40 days of marching with 6 hours of rest a day.

Not with the figure you gave us of they'd be able to march 45km in 3 days.
Which is 15km a day.
2200 divided by 15 = 146.666666667
Just over 146 days.
Not factoring in rest, food, weather conditions, the fact your men are undertrained in a conscript levy swarm, etc.

No. I retconed that.
That march was a 45 mile march but they stoped in towns and did campaigns speaches and they were causally walking.
(Some civil rights march.) look up on google "how long would it take to walk 100km it gave me 20.3 hours.
I can defiantly do that.
I was looking at a political march not a military or athletic march.

SO DEAL WITH IT.