Guns of Our Forefathers (1700s, OOC)

[Archangelskl Oblast]

Hey anyone interested in my friends Cold War RP?
I can send a link via TG.
It's gunna be bad ass.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

I think I put too much effort into a hypothetical.

[Altito Asmoro]

http://i.imgur.com/QOu00nq.png

Indeed.

Also, not all of that will go Aceh; Mughal soldiers are assailing it from the north as well.

I'll take the remaining of Indochina, then.

[Altito Asmoro]

MAP UPDATE:
http://i.imgur.com/weL8VQs.png

Inform me if I missed anything.

I own the remaining territories of Indochina. The gold territories near the Malayan Peninsula is now mine. I'm the blue one.

http://i.imgur.com/QOu00nq.png

[Vulpedonia]

Nation Name: Sioux Nation
Capital City: Santee (located in Eastern South Dakota)
Claimed Territory: North and South Dakota, remaining land in washington, Nebraska, Wyoming, Montana, and Idaho.
Population: Relatively small. Approx 700,000 and counting
National Flag:

Head of State: Head Chief Running Fox
Head of Government: Tribal Federal Council of Elders or wise men.
Government Type: Tribal Confederation
National Ideologies: Cultural Conservatism, Planned ecconomics, anti-Imperialist, Shared resources and Technolgical Westernization

History: In the year 1700 The Sioux people officially lived under the French crown, but no taxes were expected and the natives had free- reign over the Great Plains Region. Keeping the Europeans at a distance, they began to learn from their advanced technologies and innovative civil structures. This resulted into giving the Great Plains Natives a taste of what the white men considered "civility". Seeing the corruption and arrogance of European society, the Small group formerly know as the Cheyenne Tribe vowed that so long as they observe and learn from the Europeans, they wouldn't let their cultural heritage slip through the cracks. As time progressed the tribes conflicted and squabbled as usual.
Existing as seperate entities, the Sioux people gradually learned from the French and belligerent tribes stole weapons and tools from the french settlers. The most wealthy and proseperous tribe the Pawnee, whom aquired vast wealth from trade missions to the French Settlements, Showed their superiority over the Great Plains Tribes and capitulated and integrate their language and culture into nation formed submission and diplomatic ties. Thus The Pawnee set up a permanent Tribal Federation that equally represents all creeds and cultures within the Sioux Nation.







It all began as American settlers pushed their ways west of The Mississippi River forcing the natives of their god-given lands.
429- do not remove, or else your app won't be accepted

[Pavlostani]

Potentially. Let's consider that though. Let's be generous, and say your average 2nd rate can carry a hundred soldiers and the supplies to get them to India from Europe in the first place. For any of those powers to get such a force to the Mughal Empire in the first place, that's eight hundred vessels, packed to the gunwales with men and supplies. Unless I missed something, not even Iberia has a navy that size, or even half of it. If you double your number of vessels by hiring every merchantman in sight, and can actually carry that many men each, such an expedition would leave all colonial holdings open to attack by brigands, pirates, outside powers, etc. No resupply for colonies, economic anarchy in any nation with the merchant fleet gone, and a largely bankrupted government to hire such large numbers of vessels for the 8-12 months it would take to sail from Western Europe to India.

Against which the Mughal Empire can deploy a cool million soldiers, meeting any forces on the beaches, fighting any fleets with their ships unburdened, etc. Any soldiers coming via Russia are facing a march through Afghanistan and the central Asian steppes, not exactly the most hospitable of terrain for an army of a quarter of a million men.

Could Europe damage the Mughals? Yeah, probably. Most likely through Russia, and Southern Afghanistan would get messy. Any naval assault would bankrupt the attackers, and have quite a tenuous chance of success. As for the African holdings, I would doubt anyone but Iberia has that much in the way of population, and again you're looking at naval landings or a march through Persia.

Don't forget the Native Marines attached to a ship. Say said second-rate has a crew of 725. ~14% of said Crew are Marines in accordance with the naval standard up until the Mid 1800s(#Ironclads yo). That effectively double the carrying capacity(assuming said 100). And, most navies, at least for the Colonial Empires(Iberia+UK and maybe France) with far spread populations, have dedicated transports for troops. You would think, that after 200 years in the Cariba that there was an effective way to transport armies between locations. Iberia, for example, make's use of ten gun ships that operate under Private ownership that have to take X number of Government Cargo and serve as transports in times of need. And, the other dedicated sail transport ships. By Africa, I meant leapfrogging troops to and from locations in South Africa and East Africa, using staggered transport ships only ferrying between set points. Europe could accomplish this sneakily in a NWO style. Start build ups in Madagascar, Scandy Indonesia, and Philippines, but play it off as the Scandy-Ibero rivalry. British would then reinforce Australia. Meanwhile, Sud Afrika would experience more and more troops being stationed there, operating as "settlers". These would be from N. Africa and Iberia mostly, as they have a Guard so as to not need much of a standing Army. Plus, this is assuming that *Ahem* We're all in this together, everyone one of us*" and Iberia faces little threat of invasion from ally France and the UK. In Hawaii, Mexican and Cariban soldiers and British soldiers will begin to gather. This takes place over years 1-3. In year 4, those propositioned men move to European South East Asia and European East Africa. They are replaced at the propositioning points by soldiers from the non-naval and colonial powers(Central Europe). In the meantime, years 1-4, Russia is moving troops to the Manchu border and Alaska as well as preparing a naval strike into the Caspian Sea to tie down the Persians. In year five, an uptick in immigrants** to Rangoon and Madras begins as well as more and more military wares for sale. Later, through the Protectorate of Aceh(It's the way they are going anyways) a border skirmish erupts in which Aceh claims a larger share of the peninsula as war booty. War erupts between Mughals and Aceh as Aceh, strangely to the Mughals, begins a conventional invasion. As said war begins, troops from Euronesia land on the peninsula and engage with the Aceh. In Rangoon and Madraas, Mughals and native authorities are thrown out(harder in Rangoon). Then, landings of troops begin in the cities as well as in South China. As said occurs, naval fleets from Iberia, France, and UK eliminate IJN, MIN, and ICN fleets with extreme prejudice and bombard shores and raid ports. Manchuria and Alaska are invaded by Russian, the later withering due to inability to be supported. Manila attacks Borneo, which withers as well. Japan and Manchuria are cut off from each other. Troops from Southern Africa and Hawaii begin to arrive. By this point, LoL and AoL, now known as the New Western Order, get Aegypt, Yugoslavia, and Greece to join. Reinforcements from said countries and their colonies enter presumably Madraas. Inca Regiments, trained in said environment, land and begin small scale raids as well as larger scale attacks into the Indian Mainland. And, I am almost out of battery on my Tracphone.


*Europe

**SOldiers

Tl;dr

[Lingang]

MAP UPDATE:
http://i.imgur.com/weL8VQs.png

Inform me if I missed anything.

I own the remaining territories of Indochina. The gold territories near the Malayan Peninsula is now mine. I'm the blue one.

http://i.imgur.com/QOu00nq.png

http://i.imgur.com/xm6443B.png

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

I own the remaining territories of Indochina. The gold territories near the Malayan Peninsula is now mine. I'm the blue one.

http://i.imgur.com/QOu00nq.png

http://i.imgur.com/xm6443B.png

I think he mean the greenish-gold. Elsewise he knocked off the Scandies rather fast.

[G-Tech Corporation]

http://i.imgur.com/xm6443B.png

I think he mean the greenish-gold. Elsewise he knocked off the Scandies rather fast.

Septo does not get response time.

Mughal cannon strike faster than speed of post.

[Emilio Aguinaldo]

Don't forget the Native Marines attached to a ship. Say said second-rate has a crew of 725. ~14% of said Crew are Marines in accordance with the naval standard up until the Mid 1800s(#Ironclads yo). That effectively double the carrying capacity(assuming said 100). And, most navies, at least for the Colonial Empires(Iberia+UK and maybe France) with far spread populations, have dedicated transports for troops. You would think, that after 200 years in the Cariba that there was an effective way to transport armies between locations. Iberia, for example, make's use of ten gun ships that operate under Private ownership that have to take X number of Government Cargo and serve as transports in times of need. And, the other dedicated sail transport ships. By Africa, I meant leapfrogging troops to and from locations in South Africa and East Africa, using staggered transport ships only ferrying between set points. Europe could accomplish this sneakily in a NWO style. Start build ups in Madagascar, Scandy Indonesia, and Philippines, but play it off as the Scandy-Ibero rivalry. British would then reinforce Australia. Meanwhile, Sud Afrika would experience more and more troops being stationed there, operating as "settlers". These would be from N. Africa and Iberia mostly, as they have a Guard so as to not need much of a standing Army. Plus, this is assuming that *Ahem* We're all in this together, everyone one of us*" and Iberia faces little threat of invasion from ally France and the UK. In Hawaii, Mexican and Cariban soldiers and British soldiers will begin to gather. This takes place over years 1-3. In year 4, those propositioned men move to European South East Asia and European East Africa. They are replaced at the propositioning points by soldiers from the non-naval and colonial powers(Central Europe). In the meantime, years 1-4, Russia is moving troops to the Manchu border and Alaska as well as preparing a naval strike into the Caspian Sea to tie down the Persians. In year five, an uptick in immigrants** to Rangoon and Madras begins as well as more and more military wares for sale. Later, through the Protectorate of Aceh(It's the way they are going anyways) a border skirmish erupts in which Aceh claims a larger share of the peninsula as war booty. War erupts between Mughals and Aceh as Aceh, strangely to the Mughals, begins a conventional invasion. As said war begins, troops from Euronesia land on the peninsula and engage with the Aceh. In Rangoon and Madraas, Mughals and native authorities are thrown out(harder in Rangoon). Then, landings of troops begin in the cities as well as in South China. As said occurs, naval fleets from Iberia, France, and UK eliminate IJN, MIN, and ICN fleets with extreme prejudice and bombard shores and raid ports. Manchuria and Alaska are invaded by Russian, the later withering due to inability to be supported. Manila attacks Borneo, which withers as well. Japan and Manchuria are cut off from each other. Troops from Southern Africa and Hawaii begin to arrive. By this point, LoL and AoL, now known as the New Western Order, get Aegypt, Yugoslavia, and Greece to join. Reinforcements from said countries and their colonies enter presumably Madraas. Inca Regiments, trained in said environment, land and begin small scale raids as well as larger scale attacks into the Indian Mainland. And, I am almost out of battery on my Tracphone.


*Europe

**SOldiers

Tl;dr

League of Latins do something so intricate so that you guys can smash Japan, China, Mughals.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Tl;dr

League of Latins do something so intricate so that you guys can smash Japan, China, Mughals.

Is scenario as realistic as Golden Interstellar Ilkhanate conquering Africa :P

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

League of Latins do something so intricate so that you guys can smash Japan, China, Mughals.

Is scenario as realistic as Golden Interstellar Ilkhanate conquering Africa

I assumed a unified Western World in my long post. A New Western Order

[G-Tech Corporation]

Is scenario as realistic as Golden Interstellar Ilkhanate conquering Africa :P

I assumed a unified Western World in my long post. A New Western Order

Precisely.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

I assumed a unified Western World in my long post. A New Western Order

Precisely.

See, I can see it happening with the right circumstances. But, like 1% chance.

[Alleniana]

Also, are these houses German? If not, then my point stands.

In any case, have fun. Unless your third ally is either France, Iberia, Russia or the UK, then I don't believe you will be quite able to stand against Austria. And I very much doubt it's the UK, who I am fairly sure would join nearly any war against Austria. And, supposing they do join, then I don't believe anything smaller than Iberia + France will stand a chance.

Yes, German ones.

Yes, I am in alliance with Iberia, kinda family member now. And France would only profit from your downfall, as much as everyone around, so if it happens, partition of you is very probable.

Then I call godmod. There are only German noble houses in Germany (unless someone took some in, which case they're basically disowned and not really German anymore), and you can't control my people in the same way I don't control yours.

Also, that post about the Scandinavian in Rostock; what was he doing? If he had gone to the local barracks and explained who he was, I would've given him a free carriage and a musket guard of 10 to carry him right to Vienna.

Scandinavia has married a princess, so like hell they're partitioning. Assuming even Poland + France + Bohemia + Russia join in, Austria + Britain + Scandinavia could well look at holding them off for a defensive victory.

I'm sending people right now.

Meanwhile, Mughals colonize Siberia.

Hasn't it already been colonized?

Lord Tsar!

Developments to the west of my oblast sir!

I wish to move troops to put a test of strength on the Germans!

URRRRRRRAAAAAAAAA!!!

Unfortunately, we have no legitimate cassus belli, and if we started a war, it's possible that our allies in LoL would abandon us for being an aggressor, while Scandinavia and England would rush to defend Germany. We would lose faster than you can say voyna. Please don't antagonize the Germans.

Konigsberg cheese cannons standing steady.

Oh. Well shit.

Not that I would ever have a war with Europe in the first place though. I'm not really certain what provoked this conversation.

let's just keep fleecing the shit out of the rest of the world by trade

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

Yes, German ones.

Yes, I am in alliance with Iberia, kinda family member now. And France would only profit from your downfall, as much as everyone around, so if it happens, partition of you is very probable.

Then I call godmod. There are only German noble houses in Germany (unless someone took some in, which case they're basically disowned and not really German anymore), and you can't control my people in the same way I control yours.

Are you implying you can indeed control his people in some bizarre double standards?

[G-Tech Corporation]

Meanwhile, Mughals colonize Siberia.

Hasn't it already been colonized?

Needs more colonize. Russians underutilize. Mughals have much spare population for colonize. Natural solution.

[Alleniana]

Then I call godmod. There are only German noble houses in Germany (unless someone took some in, which case they're basically disowned and not really German anymore), and you can't control my people in the same way I control yours.

Are you implying you can indeed control his people in some bizarre double standards?

I meant to say that he can't control mine in the same way that I can't control his, sorry.

[Sebtopiaris]

Must... do... something.
What is there to do, though? I have already become a powerhouse of trade with a thriving empire.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Must... do... something.
What is there to do, though? I have already become a powerhouse of trade with a thriving empire.

Conquer the southern Pacific?

[Alleniana]

Must... do... something.
What is there to do, though? I have already become a powerhouse of trade with a thriving empire.

Build a giant phallic fortress on Gotland.

[Sebtopiaris]

MAP UPDATE:
http://i.imgur.com/weL8VQs.png

Inform me if I missed anything.

http://i.imgur.com/VQNS9a1.png
LA PLATA!!! I EXPANDED IN IT FREAKING AGES AGO!!!

[Sebtopiaris]

Must... do... something.
What is there to do, though? I have already become a powerhouse of trade with a thriving empire.

Build a giant phallic fortress on Gotland.

Why the fuck would I do that?

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

MAP UPDATE:
http://i.imgur.com/weL8VQs.png

Inform me if I missed anything.

http://i.imgur.com/VQNS9a1.png
LA PLATA!!! I EXPANDED IN IT FREAKING AGES AGO!!!

Expand one province further and welcome to Iberia

[Alleniana]

Build a giant phallic fortress on Gotland.

Why the fuck would I do that?

Google Earth lolz

http://i.imgur.com/VQNS9a1.png
LA PLATA!!! I EXPANDED IN IT FREAKING AGES AGO!!!

Expand one province further and welcome to Iberia

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