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Postby Bearon » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:25 pm

It's slightly true how about we have the fleet split with most of them going back to the Empire and a few staying with Revan and Revan becoming a fugitive. Sound good?
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Postby BOS Capital Chapter » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:25 pm

Actually, the way you destroyed his Fleet was very Godmodish

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Postby Bearon » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:26 pm

Just al little which is why I suggest we do what I suggested above.
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Postby The Enclave Government » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:26 pm

Creataris wrote:
The Enclave Government wrote:Yeah, how the fk am I suppoused to do anything. There was suppoused to be a plot where things would be intresting but now, my entire fleet got a text message and said FK OUR COMMANDER LETS GO! I'm trapped on a world teeming with enemy soldiers.

Not exactly realistic.

It was a matter of who are they more loyal to, a Sith whose entire order they have been brought up to hate or the Imperial High Command who in return for loyal service doesn't kill their families and gives them a brilliant dental plan.


The Empire of Dromund Kaas, you do realise the Sith ARE the people of Dromund Kaas, right?
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Postby Elerian » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:27 pm

I am leaning more towards Enclave's side. I doubt that every single last soldier would mutiny against him just because they could.

Sure a few or even a lot of them would but still . . .

He should be able to have a few loyal soldiers with him that like him/believe in him and would follow him to the end.

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Postby Bearon » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:28 pm

This man knows what he's talking about. ^
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Postby Elerian » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:29 pm

Bearon wrote:This man knows what he's talking about. ^

The funny thing is I haven't even read the post but through bits and pieces that i've heard this is screaming god mod.
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Postby Creataris » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:29 pm

Bearon wrote:It's slightly true how about we have the fleet split with most of them going back to the Empire and a few staying with Revan and Revan becoming a fugitive. Sound good?

A dreadnought and a few destroyers stayed but the Dreadnought stayed to arrest Revan, the destroyers however...

BOS Capital Chapter wrote:Actually, the way you destroyed his Fleet was very Godmodish

I never destroyed it, I thread tended their families to make them come home, the fleet still lives.

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Creataris wrote:It was a matter of who are they more loyal to, a Sith whose entire order they have been brought up to hate or the Imperial High Command who in return for loyal service doesn't kill their families and gives them a brilliant dental plan.


The Empire of Dromund Kaas, you do realise the Sith ARE the people of Dromund Kaas, right?

The Sith were still the ruling minority during the Great Galactic War and after the second Great Galactic War they were practically decimated

Elerian wrote:I am leaning more towards Enclave's side. I doubt that every single last soldier would mutiny against him just because they could.

Sure a few or even a lot of them would but still . . .

He should be able to have a few loyal soldiers with him that like him/believe in him and would follow him to the end.

There are a few more scared of him than me and they will have remained loyal but that extends to about ten destroyers, the rest of the fleet is loyal to me.
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Postby The Enclave Government » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:31 pm

Creataris wrote:
Bearon wrote:It's slightly true how about we have the fleet split with most of them going back to the Empire and a few staying with Revan and Revan becoming a fugitive. Sound good?

A dreadnought and a few destroyers stayed but the Dreadnought stayed to arrest Revan, the destroyers however...

BOS Capital Chapter wrote:Actually, the way you destroyed his Fleet was very Godmodish

I never destroyed it, I thread tended their families to make them come home, the fleet still lives.

The Enclave Government wrote:
The Empire of Dromund Kaas, you do realise the Sith ARE the people of Dromund Kaas, right?

The Sith were still the ruling minority during the Great Galactic War and after the second Great Galactic War they were practically decimated

Elerian wrote:I am leaning more towards Enclave's side. I doubt that every single last soldier would mutiny against him just because they could.

Sure a few or even a lot of them would but still . . .

He should be able to have a few loyal soldiers with him that like him/believe in him and would follow him to the end.

There are a few more scared of him than me and they will have remained loyal but that extends to about ten destroyers, the rest of the fleet is loyal to me.


How abotu you think for a moment and realise you had a very good position as the ally of the biggest power, and now your the arch enemy, and I can very easily give Nova Dromund Kaas's coordinates, and very easily have you wiped out.
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Postby Elerian » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:31 pm

Creataris not everyone has a family. Military life makes that difficult.

Sure a good number of them would but you cant extend that argument over people who obviously wouldn't be effected.

And depending on how large the fleet is that decides how many ships he would still have. I think a good third would stick with him for one reason or another.

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Postby BOS Capital Chapter » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:33 pm

Creat, I agree with Enclave and you did mess up the plot a little but whats done is done, lets get over it. Relsease Reven.

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Postby Bearon » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:34 pm

No Enclave how about you accept what you get instead of trying to change someone's decision. Along with that he's not there arch enemy only a rival empire.
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Postby Elerian » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:35 pm

BoS I don't think that is a very effective way to handle this situation. When cheating is committed you don't just say "Oh well it happened so we may

as well forget about it." You have to deal with it how it is, then once its dealt with then you can move on.

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Postby Bearon » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:36 pm

It wasn't cheating. It was just a badly executed decision. Also I contacted you in the RP Elerian.
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Postby The Enclave Government » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:36 pm

Bearon wrote:No Enclave how about you accept what you get instead of trying to change someone's decision. Along with that he's not there arch enemy only a rival empire.


Your just suppourting Creat because Mandalore was next up to be invaded.

Also, betraying a alliance and the person who formulated it doesent bode very well for relations.
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Postby Creataris » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:36 pm

Elerian wrote:Creataris not everyone has a family. Military life makes that difficult.

Sure a good number of them would but you cant extend that argument over people who obviously wouldn't be effected.

And depending on how large the fleet is that decides how many ships he would still have. I think a good third would stick with him for one reason or another.

There are 26 MK 12 Harrower Class dreadnought with the most loyal men in the fleet crewing them, some of the ground forces will have left and some will be having second thoughts but you also have to think about the indoctrination from childhood, even in the Canon Empire that happens, both the galactic Empire and both Sith Empires did it but only the Sith Empire lasted long enough to produce the highly loyal citizens.

BOS Capital Chapter wrote:Creat, I agree with Enclave and you did mess up the plot a little but whats done is done, lets get over it. Relsease Reven.

He will be released after a one rank demotion and a small trial with Ysalamiri to prevent force trickery.
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Postby Bearon » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:37 pm

I attacked you not betrayed since we didn't have an alliance in the first place and with BOS I claim no knowledge of his involvement and shock and dismay at his actions when he confronts me about it. Also I don't care if you would attack and integrate me into the Empire. In an RP you have to roll with the punches and continue the plot.
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Postby Elerian » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:38 pm

Bearon wrote:It wasn't cheating. It was just a badly executed decision. Also I contacted you in the RP Elerian.

Alright I need to finish my character apps, help settle this dispute, and then I can think about getting a post up.

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Postby Bearon » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:40 pm

This dispute is settled as far as I'm concerned. it can go 2 ways Revan is a fugitive with around a quarter ( give or take ) of the fleet or he submits to trial and demotion and has a number of other options.

I have to now see you all in a few hours.
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Postby BOS Capital Chapter » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:41 pm

Not when its a godmod.

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Postby Elerian » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:42 pm

There are 26 MK 12 Harrower Class dreadnought with the most loyal men in the fleet crewing them, some of the ground forces will have left and some will be having second thoughts but you also have to think about the indoctrination from childhood, even in the Canon Empire that happens, both the galactic Empire and both Sith Empires did it but only the Sith Empire lasted long enough to produce the highly loyal citizens.


Most loyal to who? Serving with someone and experiencing something with them can be stronger than a sense of patriotism that you were taught as a child. Once you grow older you formulate your own opinions and learn to see whats wrong for you and whats right. And yes indoctrination is a factor but you just said that you would kill their families when not all of them have one.

So yes there are lots of factors involved and its hard to say what is what but to be fair a third or fourth of the fleet would most likely stick with Revan.

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Postby Elerian » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:43 pm

Force Character App:
NS Nation: Elerian
Character Name: Master Jerick Ameralus
Age: 37
Gender: Male
Power (1-10, be realistic): 9
Faction (If any): Jedi Remnant
Lightsaber Color: Two Golden Lightsabers
Ship: Warrior-class gunship

I'll just use this one for now. I may mention the others but for now this is what i'll have.
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Postby Bearon » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:46 pm

Grey will meet up with you. Which planet are you on?
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Postby Elerian » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:47 pm

Bearon how exactly would Grey know about Jerick? After so long on the run I would think that his force signature would be disguised?

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Postby Bearon » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:49 pm

He had never really searched for the light side before then but seeking solace because of all the chaos in the Galaxy he reached out for it and found you.
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