1914 AH RP - The Great War (OOC/Open)

[Ruridova]

Yes, I know, but that doesn't change that it's totally ridiculous.

Alternative history is ridiculous. You got to be willing to stretch it like rubber.

All the other alternate history states have some basis in fact.
The Capetian Caliphate? Had Charles Martel lost at Tours-Poitiers, it's likely that France would have been taken over by Muslims.
The Byzantines? If they had made a resurgence, they might not have fallen to the Ottomans.
The divided Germany? The southern states were not under Prussian influence like the northern states were, and the North German Confederation existed before Germany was unified.

But Greek imperial-fascist not-Saudi Arabia? For one thing, there's no way that a Greek Orthodox man would come to power in Saudi Arabia, especially through elections, and have no opposition even from the ibn Sauds- it has no historical precedent. Hell, the Saudi monarchy isn't elective in the first place. In addition, it's ludicrous to claim that a single speech would just cause the Yemenis, Omanis, Qataris, Bahrainis, and Emiratis to willingly give up their sovereignty without any hesitation. In addition, "fascism" won't exist for nearly a decade in 1914.

You stretch something too much and it's bound to break. I think we've stretched this a tad too far.

[UED]

According to the last IC post, the Northern Germans want Hohenzollern properties in Southern Germany. They do know that the Romanian King is also Hohenzollern. Watch out Austro-Hungary.

The House of Hohenzollern is a noble family and royal dynasty of electors, kings, and emperors of Brandenburg, Prussia, Germany, and Romania.

lol

[Ptolemais]

All the other alternate history states have some basis in fact.
The Capetian Caliphate? Had Charles Martel lost at Tours-Poitiers, it's likely that France would have been taken over by Muslims.
The Byzantines? If they had made a resurgence, they might not have fallen to the Ottomans.
The divided Germany? The southern states were not under Prussian influence like the northern states were, and the North German Confederation existed before Germany was unified.

But Greek imperial-fascist not-Saudi Arabia? For one thing, there's no way that a Greek Orthodox man would come to power in Saudi Arabia, especially through elections, and have no opposition even from the ibn Sauds- it has no historical precedent. Hell, the Saudi monarchy isn't elective in the first place. In addition, it's ludicrous to claim that a single speech would just cause the Yemenis, Omanis, Qataris, Bahrainis, and Emiratis to willingly give up their sovereignty without any hesitation. In addition, "fascism" won't exist for nearly a decade in 1914.

You stretch something too much and it's bound to break. I think we've stretched this a tad too far.

My main objection is over other inconsistencies as well. It's 1914 and Saudi Arabia is forming some sort of oil cartel when at this time it produced negligible amounts of oil.

But hey if the OP accepted it, there isn't much we can do.

[Carathon]

All the other alternate history states have some basis in fact.
The Capetian Caliphate? Had Charles Martel lost at Tours-Poitiers, it's likely that France would have been taken over by Muslims.
The Byzantines? If they had made a resurgence, they might not have fallen to the Ottomans.
The divided Germany? The southern states were not under Prussian influence like the northern states were, and the North German Confederation existed before Germany was unified.

But Greek imperial-fascist not-Saudi Arabia? For one thing, there's no way that a Greek Orthodox man would come to power in Saudi Arabia, especially through elections, and have no opposition even from the ibn Sauds- it has no historical precedent. Hell, the Saudi monarchy isn't elective in the first place. In addition, it's ludicrous to claim that a single speech would just cause the Yemenis, Omanis, Qataris, Bahrainis, and Emiratis to willingly give up their sovereignty without any hesitation. In addition, "fascism" won't exist for nearly a decade in 1914.

You stretch something too much and it's bound to break. I think we've stretched this a tad too far.

My main objection is over other inconsistencies as well. It's 1914 and Saudi Arabia is forming some sort of oil cartel when at this time it produced negligible amounts of oil.

But hey if the OP accepted it, there isn't much we can do.

Even if Saudi Arabia produced large amounts of oil, it wouldn't really matter that much. Oil was plentiful, cheap and not as much as a demand was imposed on it then as it is today.

[Marsisian]

All the other alternate history states have some basis in fact.
The Capetian Caliphate? Had Charles Martel lost at Tours-Poitiers, it's likely that France would have been taken over by Muslims.
The Byzantines? If they had made a resurgence, they might not have fallen to the Ottomans.
The divided Germany? The southern states were not under Prussian influence like the northern states were, and the North German Confederation existed before Germany was unified.

But Greek imperial-fascist not-Saudi Arabia? For one thing, there's no way that a Greek Orthodox man would come to power in Saudi Arabia, especially through elections, and have no opposition even from the ibn Sauds- it has no historical precedent. Hell, the Saudi monarchy isn't elective in the first place. In addition, it's ludicrous to claim that a single speech would just cause the Yemenis, Omanis, Qataris, Bahrainis, and Emiratis to willingly give up their sovereignty without any hesitation. In addition, "fascism" won't exist for nearly a decade in 1914.

You stretch something too much and it's bound to break. I think we've stretched this a tad too far.

My main objection is over other inconsistencies as well. It's 1914 and Saudi Arabia is forming some sort of oil cartel when at this time it produced negligible amounts of oil.

But hey if the OP accepted it, there isn't much we can do.

I'm not sure he can make a good story for it. How about you guys, the experienced ones, give him tips on realism?

[Trotskyivarian Neo Russia]

Ya, he said he is making a new History right now.

[TriStates]

Alternative history is ridiculous. You got to be willing to stretch it like rubber.

All the other alternate history states have some basis in fact.
The Capetian Caliphate? Had Charles Martel lost at Tours-Poitiers, it's likely that France would have been taken over by Muslims.
The Byzantines? If they had made a resurgence, they might not have fallen to the Ottomans.
The divided Germany? The southern states were not under Prussian influence like the northern states were, and the North German Confederation existed before Germany was unified.

But Greek imperial-fascist not-Saudi Arabia? For one thing, there's no way that a Greek Orthodox man would come to power in Saudi Arabia, especially through elections, and have no opposition even from the ibn Sauds- it has no historical precedent. Hell, the Saudi monarchy isn't elective in the first place. In addition, it's ludicrous to claim that a single speech would just cause the Yemenis, Omanis, Qataris, Bahrainis, and Emiratis to willingly give up their sovereignty without any hesitation. In addition, "fascism" won't exist for nearly a decade in 1914.

You stretch something too much and it's bound to break. I think we've stretched this a tad too far.

While agree, since you have superior knowledge of this time period and place, I myself arn't too offended through these inaccurcies. At least he didin't propose Lucifer-allied Moon Nazies that surge through a time-dimensional portal to 1914 hoping to alter the fate of the war for the Greater Glory of Fiuhrer and Fatherland.

[Ruridova]

All the other alternate history states have some basis in fact.
The Capetian Caliphate? Had Charles Martel lost at Tours-Poitiers, it's likely that France would have been taken over by Muslims.
The Byzantines? If they had made a resurgence, they might not have fallen to the Ottomans.
The divided Germany? The southern states were not under Prussian influence like the northern states were, and the North German Confederation existed before Germany was unified.

But Greek imperial-fascist not-Saudi Arabia? For one thing, there's no way that a Greek Orthodox man would come to power in Saudi Arabia, especially through elections, and have no opposition even from the ibn Sauds- it has no historical precedent. Hell, the Saudi monarchy isn't elective in the first place. In addition, it's ludicrous to claim that a single speech would just cause the Yemenis, Omanis, Qataris, Bahrainis, and Emiratis to willingly give up their sovereignty without any hesitation. In addition, "fascism" won't exist for nearly a decade in 1914.

You stretch something too much and it's bound to break. I think we've stretched this a tad too far.

While agree, since you have superior knowledge of this time period and place, I myself arn't too offended through these inaccurcies. At least he didin't propose Lucifer-allied Moon Nazies that surge through a time-dimensional portal to 1914 hoping to alter the fate of the war for the Greater Glory of Fiuhrer and Fatherland.

Not yet.

[Carathon]

All the other alternate history states have some basis in fact.
The Capetian Caliphate? Had Charles Martel lost at Tours-Poitiers, it's likely that France would have been taken over by Muslims.
The Byzantines? If they had made a resurgence, they might not have fallen to the Ottomans.
The divided Germany? The southern states were not under Prussian influence like the northern states were, and the North German Confederation existed before Germany was unified.

But Greek imperial-fascist not-Saudi Arabia? For one thing, there's no way that a Greek Orthodox man would come to power in Saudi Arabia, especially through elections, and have no opposition even from the ibn Sauds- it has no historical precedent. Hell, the Saudi monarchy isn't elective in the first place. In addition, it's ludicrous to claim that a single speech would just cause the Yemenis, Omanis, Qataris, Bahrainis, and Emiratis to willingly give up their sovereignty without any hesitation. In addition, "fascism" won't exist for nearly a decade in 1914.

You stretch something too much and it's bound to break. I think we've stretched this a tad too far.

While agree, since you have superior knowledge of this time period and place, I myself arn't too offended through these inaccurcies. At least he didin't propose Lucifer-allied Moon Nazies that surge through a time-dimensional portal to 1914 hoping to alter the fate of the war for the Greater Glory of Fiuhrer and Fatherland.

*Laughs nervously.* Such a silly idea.....

[Ptolemais]

*Laughs nervously.* Such a silly idea.....

[Kenrish]

I know everyone has been clamoring for the history of the Saudi Empire and so here it is.


History of The Fascist Saudi Empire:
During the mid-late 19th century, the families Al Rashid and Al Saud contested for power over the Arabian peninsula. For the most part, both monarchical families maintained equal territory. The monarchies of Yemen, Oman, Bahrain, Qatar and the Arab Emirates payed homage to either one of these families. Eventually, all of those nations of the Arabian Peninsula allied themselves with purely the Al Rashid family. With this extra support, they quickly defeated the Al Saud. This victory occurred in 1900. Faisal Bijid, was now the ruler of the Arabian Peninsula at this time. Seeing the European classical liberal advancements that other countries were making, he decided to follow their path. Thus, he began imposing more liberal reforms; less strict religious policy, capitalism, and constitutional council Monarchism; and as these took effect, he saw his country prosper. But nothing too good can stay.
In 1905, The Roman Empire invaded and attempted to take over the entire Arabian Peninsula. The fighting lasted until 1907. Once the Romans realized they could not completely crush the Arabians, and vice versa, the Treaty of Mecca was created. This stated that the Roman could hold the eastern fringe of the Arabian Peninsula, and Bijid’s empire could have the rest. Also this treaty saved the Arabians, the populace was still unhappy. They wished not to have a weak minded leader; but one who would make strong and quick decisions. This gave rise to many opposition groups within the Monarchy, but the most prominent; most supported by the people; was the Old Glory Party.
This party; lead by Leonitus Horatius (previously named Ahmed Laden; but he changed his name due to deep respect for the strong and disciplined Spartan City State); promised a strict but effective government. One that had elected leaders; of the same party; who wouldn't bicker and squabble, but also wouldn't make dumb and emotional decisions. Because of the wide support for the Old Glory party; much of the Monarchists’ army abandoned their posts and followed Leonitus. In 1910, the Old Glory party overthrew the government. Leonitus Horatius was immediately declared King of the Saudi Empire. Yemen, Oman, Qatar, the Arab Emirates, and Bahrian had no choice but to accept their new ruler.
The Old Glory focused on strengthening the strong; through State Capitalism, and weakening the weak; through a one party government. Great advancements were made socially and economically; despite the negative effects of Leonitus’s regime. Education was semi-secular and free. Profit rose through the roof. And the military was exceptional.
It is now 1914.

[Trotskyivarian Neo Russia]

I know everyone has been clamoring for the history of the Saudi Empire and so here it is.


History of The Fascist Saudi Empire:
During the mid-late 19th century, the families Al Rashid and Al Saud contested for power over the Arabian peninsula. For the most part, both monarchical families maintained equal territory. The monarchies of Yemen, Oman, Bahrain, Qatar and the Arab Emirates payed homage to either one of these families. Eventually, all of those nations of the Arabian Peninsula allied themselves with purely the Al Rashid family. With this extra support, they quickly defeated the Al Saud. This victory occurred in 1900. Faisal Bijid, was now the ruler of the Arabian Peninsula at this time. Seeing the European classical liberal advancements that other countries were making, he decided to follow their path. Thus, he began imposing more liberal reforms; less strict religious policy, capitalism, and constitutional council Monarchism; and as these took effect, he saw his country prosper. But nothing too good can stay.
In 1905, The Roman Empire invaded and attempted to take over the entire Arabian Peninsula. The fighting lasted until 1907. Once the Romans realized they could not completely crush the Arabians, and vice versa, the Treaty of Mecca was created. This stated that the Roman could hold the eastern fringe of the Arabian Peninsula, and Bijid’s empire could have the rest. Also this treaty saved the Arabians, the populace was still unhappy. They wished not to have a weak minded leader; but one who would make strong and quick decisions. This gave rise to many opposition groups within the Monarchy, but the most prominent; most supported by the people; was the Old Glory Party.
This party; lead by Leonitus Horatius (previously named Ahmed Laden; but he changed his name due to deep respect for the strong and disciplined Spartan City State); promised a strict but effective government. One that had elected leaders; of the same party; who wouldn't bicker and squabble, but also wouldn't make dumb and emotional decisions. Because of the wide support for the Old Glory party; much of the Monarchists’ army abandoned their posts and followed Leonitus. In 1910, the Old Glory party overthrew the government. Leonitus Horatius was immediately declared King of the Saudi Empire. Yemen, Oman, Qatar, the Arab Emirates, and Bahrian had no choice but to accept their new ruler.
The Old Glory focused on strengthening the strong; through State Capitalism, and weakening the weak; through a one party government. Great advancements were made socially and economically; despite the negative effects of Leonitus’s regime. Education was semi-secular and free. Profit rose through the roof. And the military was exceptional.
It is now 1914.

Ruridova CHECK IT OUT.

[UED]

*Laughs nervously.* Such a silly idea.....

lol, what is that series called?

[Ruridova]

I know everyone has been clamoring for the history of the Saudi Empire and so here it is.


History of The Fascist Saudi Empire:
During the mid-late 19th century, the families Al Rashid and Al Saud contested for power over the Arabian peninsula. For the most part, both monarchical families maintained equal territory. The monarchies of Yemen, Oman, Bahrain, Qatar and the Arab Emirates payed homage to either one of these families. Eventually, all of those nations of the Arabian Peninsula allied themselves with purely the Al Rashid family. With this extra support, they quickly defeated the Al Saud. This victory occurred in 1900. Faisal Bijid, was now the ruler of the Arabian Peninsula at this time. Seeing the European classical liberal advancements that other countries were making, he decided to follow their path. Thus, he began imposing more liberal reforms; less strict religious policy, capitalism, and constitutional council Monarchism; and as these took effect, he saw his country prosper. But nothing too good can stay.
In 1905, The Roman Empire invaded and attempted to take over the entire Arabian Peninsula. The fighting lasted until 1907. Once the Romans realized they could not completely crush the Arabians, and vice versa, the Treaty of Mecca was created. This stated that the Roman could hold the eastern fringe of the Arabian Peninsula, and Bijid’s empire could have the rest. Also this treaty saved the Arabians, the populace was still unhappy. They wished not to have a weak minded leader; but one who would make strong and quick decisions. This gave rise to many opposition groups within the Monarchy, but the most prominent; most supported by the people; was the Old Glory Party.
This party; lead by Leonitus Horatius (previously named Ahmed Laden; but he changed his name due to deep respect for the strong and disciplined Spartan City State); promised a strict but effective government. One that had elected leaders; of the same party; who wouldn't bicker and squabble, but also wouldn't make dumb and emotional decisions. Because of the wide support for the Old Glory party; much of the Monarchists’ army abandoned their posts and followed Leonitus. In 1910, the Old Glory party overthrew the government. Leonitus Horatius was immediately declared King of the Saudi Empire. Yemen, Oman, Qatar, the Arab Emirates, and Bahrian had no choice but to accept their new ruler.
The Old Glory focused on strengthening the strong; through State Capitalism, and weakening the weak; through a one party government. Great advancements were made socially and economically; despite the negative effects of Leonitus’s regime. Education was semi-secular and free. Profit rose through the roof. And the military was exceptional.
It is now 1914.

Ruridova CHECK IT OUT.

He should at least stop calling it Saudi Arabia, and I still think adopting a Greek name is preposterous and it would only alienate him from everyone else in the country, and I'm still not sure when the other Gulf states went from being puppets to territories.

[Trotskyivarian Neo Russia]

Ruridova CHECK IT OUT.

He should at least stop calling it Saudi Arabia, and I still think adopting a Greek name is preposterous and it would only alienate him from everyone else in the country, and I'm still not sure when the other Gulf states went from being puppets to territories.

You are really just don't like. Be a little flexible.

[Pinebarrensyia]

Is it too late to join this? I have a couple of ideas for a rebel group as most of the countries are taken.

[Marsisian]

Is it too late to join this? I have a couple of ideas for a rebel group as most of the countries are taken.

No, it's not too late.

[Ruridova]

The Shahanashah of Persia's name is Mohammad Ahmad Shah, not Ruridova.

[Pinebarrensyia]

Is it too late to join this? I have a couple of ideas for a rebel group as most of the countries are taken.

No, it's not too late.

Ok good. Now to decide if I should be Native American rebels in the American Southwest or maybe start some independence movements in Africa.

[Marsisian]

No, it's not too late.

Ok good. Now to decide if I should be Native American rebels in the American Southwest or maybe start some independence movements in Africa.

I'd say you should do Native Americans. That would be fun to see.

[Trotskyivarian Neo Russia]

Will the map be updated soon?

[Ptolemais]

lol, what is that series called?

It's not really a series, but they are referred to as "polandball" comics.

[Marsisian]

Will the map be updated soon?

viewtopic.php?p=19277527#p19277527

[Marsisian]

lol, what is that series called?

It's not really a series, but they are referred to as "polandball" comics.

I love Polandball. Look at this.

[Pinebarrensyia]

Ok good. Now to decide if I should be Native American rebels in the American Southwest or maybe start some independence movements in Africa.

I'd say you should do Native Americans. That would be fun to see.

Yeah, instead of the Native American resistance ending with Wounded Knee, it actually intensified or something. Will have to write up a history.