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What should we do?

Reboot
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Continue where we left off
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Continue with a few years random events
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Go to Taco Bell.
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Total votes : 46

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Aldelxane
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Postby Aldelxane » Tue Mar 04, 2014 2:21 pm

Granadeseret wrote:
Lunas Legion wrote:
Although these are the people he threw into gulags, so they aren't exactly the average Russian.


Well, there was also the small matter of Stalin losing the war and fleeing in their hour of need, and the breakdown of the Red Army resulting in many raids on Russian citizens for supply. Stalin isen't all the popular, though he probably still has a 20-30% approval rating.

And I doubt those people would be willing to fight the other 70% to restore him. (Just saying. Pretty sure the discussion is over anyway.)
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Postby Corenea » Tue Mar 04, 2014 2:22 pm

Lunas Legion wrote:
Corenea wrote:Just not in Cuba, Mexico, Puerto Rico, Hawaii, North America, Bahamas, or the Carribeans


The Cuban Revolutionaries have skipped the homeland revolution and gone straight to exporting it. Is Brazil/Peru/Paraguay/Uruguay alright as a (possible) Communist state?

Well Cuba along with Puerto Rico and Hawaii joined the Union, whether you want a communist state in Brazil, Uruguay or Peru, that's fine by me. But you will face some pro-democracy groups funded by Uncle Sam if this Socialist (or communist) state succeeds
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Postby Carathon » Tue Mar 04, 2014 2:25 pm

The Vekta-Helghast Empire wrote:
Zepplien wrote:Does it involve the Dutch getting rich?
If not I don't like it


If you invest in Scottish oil it does..

Hint: England relies on foreign oil to sustain itself.


Germany would highly suggest Scotland advise the Celts to stop their silly experiments in democracy.
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Aldelxane
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Postby Aldelxane » Tue Mar 04, 2014 2:25 pm

Would America support a Russia that mainly followed this type of ideology?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

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Lunas Legion
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Postby Lunas Legion » Tue Mar 04, 2014 2:26 pm

Is Xibei the state in Tibet, or the one to the south of Lake Baikial?
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Postby Corenea » Tue Mar 04, 2014 2:27 pm

Aldelxane wrote:Would America support a Russia that mainly followed this type of ideology?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

Will there be support from private property, representative government, and profit? Is it Mixed market economy? is it anti-communist? If so, yes
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Granadeseret
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Postby Granadeseret » Tue Mar 04, 2014 2:27 pm

Lunas Legion wrote:Is Xibei the state in Tibet, or the one to the south of Lake Baikal?


TIbet. The one south of Baikal is Mongolia.

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Lunas Legion
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Postby Lunas Legion » Tue Mar 04, 2014 2:30 pm

Granadeseret wrote:
Lunas Legion wrote:Is Xibei the state in Tibet, or the one to the south of Lake Baikal?


TIbet. The one south of Baikal is Mongolia.

Ah, good. Tibet is all but unconquerable from outside due to logistics, and if Mao wins, it will be in a nice position next to the USCR (Union of Soviet Caspian Republics).
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Aldelxane
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Postby Aldelxane » Tue Mar 04, 2014 2:38 pm

Corenea wrote:
Aldelxane wrote:Would America support a Russia that mainly followed this type of ideology?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

Will there be support from private property, representative government, and profit? Is it Mixed market economy? is it anti-communist? If so, yes

First one: Yes, citizens own private property
Second one: Definitely
Third one: Profit, yes, but much more evenly distributed
Fourth one: "a policy regime involving a universal welfare state and collective bargaining schemes within the framework of a capitalist economy" "supports a mixed economy that opposes the excesses of capitalism such as inequality, poverty, and oppression of various groups, while rejecting both a totally free market or a fully planned economy." Yes. Workers have a LOT more power, and the government heavily regulates corporations, but I guess it still applies
Fifth one: We don't want Communism in Russia, but we aren't willing to declare war on all Communists.
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Corenea
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Postby Corenea » Tue Mar 04, 2014 2:40 pm

Aldelxane wrote:
Corenea wrote:Will there be support from private property, representative government, and profit? Is it Mixed market economy? is it anti-communist? If so, yes

First one: Yes, citizens own private property
Second one: Definitely
Third one: Profit, yes, but much more evenly distributed
Fourth one: "a policy regime involving a universal welfare state and collective bargaining schemes within the framework of a capitalist economy" "supports a mixed economy that opposes the excesses of capitalism such as inequality, poverty, and oppression of various groups, while rejecting both a totally free market or a fully planned economy." Yes. Workers have a LOT more power, and the government heavily regulates corporations, but I guess it still applies
Fifth one: We don't want Communism in Russia, but we aren't willing to declare war on all Communists.

Supported then, so it's like Swedish?
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Aldelxane
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Postby Aldelxane » Tue Mar 04, 2014 2:41 pm

Corenea wrote:
Aldelxane wrote:First one: Yes, citizens own private property
Second one: Definitely
Third one: Profit, yes, but much more evenly distributed
Fourth one: "a policy regime involving a universal welfare state and collective bargaining schemes within the framework of a capitalist economy" "supports a mixed economy that opposes the excesses of capitalism such as inequality, poverty, and oppression of various groups, while rejecting both a totally free market or a fully planned economy." Yes. Workers have a LOT more power, and the government heavily regulates corporations, but I guess it still applies
Fifth one: We don't want Communism in Russia, but we aren't willing to declare war on all Communists.

Supported then, so it's like Swedish?

Slightly closer to Socialism than IRL Sweden, but yes. That's pretty close to what the F.R.L's social democracy is.
Edit: I think in previous times, Sweden was exactly like what I'm describing, considering it's apparently famous for the ideology.
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Aldelxane
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Postby Aldelxane » Tue Mar 04, 2014 2:45 pm

I told you we should've negotiated the treaty OOC first Carathon.... That's going to get a complete and utter refusal.
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Carathon
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Postby Carathon » Tue Mar 04, 2014 2:46 pm

Aldelxane wrote:I told you we should've negotiated the treaty OOC first Carathon.... That's going to get a complete and utter refusal.


Well then post your response. Perhaps the ambassador could ask permission to grant another offer.
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Aldelxane
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Postby Aldelxane » Tue Mar 04, 2014 2:48 pm

Carathon wrote:
Aldelxane wrote:I told you we should've negotiated the treaty OOC first Carathon.... That's going to get a complete and utter refusal.


Well then post your response. Perhaps the ambassador could ask permission to grant another offer.

Ok. Honestly, this is all the resistance will settle for:
Complete Nazi withdrawal from Russia
All Russian slaves sent back to Russia
Complete Nazi isolation from the political structure of a new Russian state

Anything less, and they will refuse and fight until they all die or they succeed.
(Will post a response in approx. ten minutes as I gtg for 10 minutes if this works, if it doesn't I will anyway and the diplomacy will likely fail.
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Carathon
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Postby Carathon » Tue Mar 04, 2014 2:51 pm

Aldelxane wrote:
Carathon wrote:
Well then post your response. Perhaps the ambassador could ask permission to grant another offer.

Ok. Honestly, this is all the resistance will settle for:
Complete Nazi withdrawal from Russia
All Russian slaves sent back to Russia
Complete Nazi isolation from the political structure of a new Russian state

Anything less, and they will refuse and fight until they all die or they succeed.


Post the offer. I don't want to double post.
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Aldelxane
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Postby Aldelxane » Tue Mar 04, 2014 2:52 pm

Carathon wrote:
Aldelxane wrote:Ok. Honestly, this is all the resistance will settle for:
Complete Nazi withdrawal from Russia
All Russian slaves sent back to Russia
Complete Nazi isolation from the political structure of a new Russian state

Anything less, and they will refuse and fight until they all die or they succeed.


Post the offer. I don't want to double post.

I will be back in approximately ten minutes to start writing the post.

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The Vekta-Helghast Empire
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Postby The Vekta-Helghast Empire » Tue Mar 04, 2014 2:58 pm

Going to edit my post soon.

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Lunas Legion
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Postby Lunas Legion » Tue Mar 04, 2014 2:59 pm

I'll have 'advisors' from the Internationale arrive in Brazil soon, and have the 14th of July meet up with the leader of the PCP.

Also, what's the situation in Afganistan and Persia/Iran?
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Granadeseret
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Postby Granadeseret » Tue Mar 04, 2014 3:03 pm

Lunas Legion wrote:I'll have 'advisors' from the Internationale arrive in Brazil soon, and have the 14th of July meet up with the leader of the PCP.

Also, what's the situation in Afganistan and Persia/Iran?


Afganistan, as per usual, is in tribal chaos.

Persia is semi-stable, with the Shah still in power, but faith in him is fading fast.

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Lunas Legion
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Postby Lunas Legion » Tue Mar 04, 2014 3:08 pm

Granadeseret wrote:
Lunas Legion wrote:I'll have 'advisors' from the Internationale arrive in Brazil soon, and have the 14th of July meet up with the leader of the PCP.

Also, what's the situation in Afganistan and Persia/Iran?


Afganistan, as per usual, is in tribal chaos.

Persia is semi-stable, with the Shah still in power, but faith in him is fading fast.


Good conditions for a revolution then, although modifications will have to be made to Marxism-Leninism to fit the new region and it's religious nature.
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Carathon
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Postby Carathon » Tue Mar 04, 2014 3:11 pm

Lunas Legion wrote:
Granadeseret wrote:
Afganistan, as per usual, is in tribal chaos.

Persia is semi-stable, with the Shah still in power, but faith in him is fading fast.


Good conditions for a revolution then, although modifications will have to be made to Marxism-Leninism to fit the new region and it's religious nature.


I'm not quite a expert on Islam nor Communism, but isn't Persia / Afghan religiously fanatic and Marxism-Leninism is completely opposed to any sort of oppression, especially that of religion - aka supporting state atheism? I mean, you would have to bastardize communism to gain any support there by my reckonings.
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Corenea
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Postby Corenea » Tue Mar 04, 2014 3:12 pm

Oh Lunas, just to let you know, you will face pro-democracy/capitalist group resisting socialists as much as the authoritarians if your revolution succeeds
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Lunas Legion
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Postby Lunas Legion » Tue Mar 04, 2014 3:22 pm

Carathon wrote:
Lunas Legion wrote:
Good conditions for a revolution then, although modifications will have to be made to Marxism-Leninism to fit the new region and it's religious nature.


I'm not quite a expert on Islam nor Communism, but isn't Persia / Afghan religiously fanatic and Marxism-Leninism is completely opposed to any sort of oppression, especially that of religion - aka supporting state atheism? I mean, you would have to bastardize communism to gain any support there by my reckonings.


That's why I plan on going secular and letting the people have their religious freedoms, rather than state athiesm.
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Lunas Legion
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Postby Lunas Legion » Tue Mar 04, 2014 3:23 pm

Corenea wrote:Oh Lunas, just to let you know, you will face pro-democracy/capitalist group resisting socialists as much as the authoritarians if your revolution succeeds


Why? Doesn't America have the much larger threat of the Reich and Japan to worry about than a few Communist revolutions in a few third world countries?
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Postby New Vaxon » Tue Mar 04, 2014 3:23 pm

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New Vaxon wrote:repost for OP Convenience.



No. There are a number of issues with both the content and concept of this application.

1. Anarchy, by definition, can't be organized in any way, shape , or form that can be effectively RPed.

2. Having a system with no system of authority, orders, connections, or bases of operation is A) not a system at all and B) Un(insert name of deity one chooses to believe in here)ly easy to godmod with: people can pop up at any time, any where, blow themselves up, and it is impossible to trace, counter, or gain any information to prevent future attacks with, because its all taking place within the minds of one person who could be at any location on the globe at any time.

3. "Civilians" would have no discernible role in such an organization, as their is no need for (or existance of) a logistic support net.


Alrighty then. So, I guess I should just App a different organization?

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