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Holy Church of Land and Sea
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Postby Holy Church of Land and Sea » Mon Mar 03, 2014 7:57 pm

Segmentia wrote:Updated my app, though I doubt it's going to change anything.

Members: 220,000 soldiers, 1 million civilians actively sympathetic to the cause

I still think that militia is high. You gotta remember, if you have a military that big, where do you put them? If you concentrate them in one area, your going to constantly get attacked by the occupier, most likely destroying you with ease as you are bunched up, and Australia's landscape is pretty open, so you can't really hide in caves like Afghanistan. The sympathizers are fine, as they can act as support, like when Germany invaded the Ukraine, they supported them but didn't exactly take up arms.

If you can detail how your hiding those militia, maybe we can work something out.

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Postby Holy Church of Land and Sea » Mon Mar 03, 2014 7:58 pm

Corenea wrote:
Holy Church of Land and Sea wrote:I don't know how supportive they could be as Australia is super spread out in population, and even with 150k, population is so spread out, that there really is not a clear base of operations. That is why it is pretty easy to control Australia with a council, as even if the populace revolted, before they could get into a group to become a problem the government shuts them down.

Australian Revolutionary Council?

I set up a Australian Board of Directors to act as a government for them. So yea, it is a council. It is comprised of Australians that are handpicked by the Emperor to stay loyal.

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Postby Segmentia » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:00 pm

Holy Church of Land and Sea wrote:
Segmentia wrote:Updated my app, though I doubt it's going to change anything.

Members: 220,000 soldiers, 1 million civilians actively sympathetic to the cause

I still think that militia is high. You gotta remember, if you have a military that big, where do you put them? If you concentrate them in one area, your going to constantly get attacked by the occupier, most likely destroying you with ease as you are bunched up, and Australia's landscape is pretty open, so you can't really hide in caves like Afghanistan. The sympathizers are fine, as they can act as support, like when Germany invaded the Ukraine, they supported them but didn't exactly take up arms.

If you can detail how your hiding those militia, maybe we can work something out.


Simply. They go home, have their weapons in hiding places, and when there is a mission to be had, they rally together and carry out that mission. Some groups are nomadic out in the country, which would be hard for any force to police and monitor properly or fully.
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Postby Holy Church of Land and Sea » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:02 pm

Segmentia wrote:
Holy Church of Land and Sea wrote:Members: 220,000 soldiers, 1 million civilians actively sympathetic to the cause

I still think that militia is high. You gotta remember, if you have a military that big, where do you put them? If you concentrate them in one area, your going to constantly get attacked by the occupier, most likely destroying you with ease as you are bunched up, and Australia's landscape is pretty open, so you can't really hide in caves like Afghanistan. The sympathizers are fine, as they can act as support, like when Germany invaded the Ukraine, they supported them but didn't exactly take up arms.

If you can detail how your hiding those militia, maybe we can work something out.


Simply. They go home, have their weapons in hiding places, and when there is a mission to be had, they rally together and carry out that mission. Some groups are nomadic out in the country, which would be hard for any force to police and monitor properly or fully.

So to be clear, they bring guns outside their homes, and rally together for a mission? Yea thats not going to work, as for one I know for a fact if someone sees a group of men with guns walking down the street or even hiding in bushes to be sneaky, they are alerting the authorities. And it is not hard to find out where your members are concentrated, as they will follow where reports of your members taking arms are most common, and shut you down.

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Postby Segmentia » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:04 pm

Holy Church of Land and Sea wrote:
Segmentia wrote:
Simply. They go home, have their weapons in hiding places, and when there is a mission to be had, they rally together and carry out that mission. Some groups are nomadic out in the country, which would be hard for any force to police and monitor properly or fully.

So to be clear, they bring guns outside their homes, and rally together for a mission? Yea thats not going to work, as for one I know for a fact if someone sees a group of men with guns walking down the street or even hiding in bushes to be sneaky, they are alerting the authorities. And it is not hard to find out where your members are concentrated, as they will follow where reports of your members taking arms are most common, and shut you down.


Or they could just as easily hide their weapons in pre determined locations and hide outs.
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Postby Holy Church of Land and Sea » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:06 pm

Segmentia wrote:
Holy Church of Land and Sea wrote:So to be clear, they bring guns outside their homes, and rally together for a mission? Yea thats not going to work, as for one I know for a fact if someone sees a group of men with guns walking down the street or even hiding in bushes to be sneaky, they are alerting the authorities. And it is not hard to find out where your members are concentrated, as they will follow where reports of your members taking arms are most common, and shut you down.


Or they could just as easily hide their weapons in pre determined locations and hide outs.

How are you going to move those weapons? In occupied countries, checkpoints are common to check for partisans and getting past them will be tricky enough.

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Postby Segmentia » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:12 pm

Holy Church of Land and Sea wrote:How are you going to move those weapons? In occupied countries, checkpoints are common to check for partisans and getting past them will be tricky enough.


Assuming every single place where someone might go is covered by a check point, and that every individual manning those check points is totally unable to be bought or bribed?

There are always ways around check points. Smuggle them though in specially modified trucks with hidden compartments, break them down into the smallest, most unassuming pieces and reassemble them. Through them into the back of trash trucks that will be passing through the check points, even tunnel under the check points is an option.
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Postby Holy Church of Land and Sea » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:16 pm

Segmentia wrote:
Holy Church of Land and Sea wrote:How are you going to move those weapons? In occupied countries, checkpoints are common to check for partisans and getting past them will be tricky enough.


Assuming every single place where someone might go is covered by a check point, and that every individual manning those check points is totally unable to be bought or bribed?

There are always ways around check points. Smuggle them though in specially modified trucks with hidden compartments, break them down into the smallest, most unassuming pieces and reassemble them. Through them into the back of trash trucks that will be passing through the check points, even tunnel under the check points is an option.

True they can be bribed, so i'll give you that one. But even with modified trucks, border patrols have caught that before and still do, so even though you can do that, it is not a 100% guarantee you will succeed. Gotta say, that even with all this there is a possibility of getting caught no matter, so all I want to say is Good Luck.

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Postby Segmentia » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:19 pm

I never said the plans were infallible. And as you've pointed out it's been 18 years of occupation, that's 18 years of finding the best routes and best ways to get past places. That's also 18 of possibly infiltrating local authorities with members of the resistance, and of course it goes for the opposite as well, obviously.
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Postby Holy Church of Land and Sea » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:20 pm

Segmentia wrote:I never said the plans were infallible. And as you've pointed out it's been 18 years of occupation, that's 18 years of finding the best routes and best ways to get past places. That's also 18 of possibly infiltrating local authorities with members of the resistance, and of course it goes for the opposite as well, obviously.

Good luck. Partisan groups are difficult to run period, so I actually :clap: for you trying.

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Postby Segmentia » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:22 pm

Not looking forward to doing this again if/when the US does their first run to drop off weapons and supplies to me ;)
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Postby Holy Church of Land and Sea » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:32 pm

Segmentia wrote:Not looking forward to doing this again if/when the US does their first run to drop off weapons and supplies to me ;)

That will be interesting to figure out how they would do that really.

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Postby Senkaku » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:37 pm

Lunas Legion, we should talk about Mao. I don't think he should be very active in KMT territory in the north, since they've put a lot into eradicating him, but he could be the runner up for best nuisance rebel movement in the south after the Ziyous (for now), and obviously his main stronghold is in Xinjiang. Basically, he's nonexistent in the north, a nuisance (for now) in the south, and a significant threat in Xinjiang. I don't know what you think of that, but that's how I'm looking at it.
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Postby Granadeseret » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:37 pm

Alright, after being gone for 3.5 hours for reasons of romantic relations, I am here to answer all currently standing issues...

-Holy Church of Land and Sea: I'm going to give Mars one more day to get up a solid post before I allow you to switch to Italy. Remember, Japan is not necessarily f*****: The Co-Prosperity Sphere governments seem to be given a fair amount of autonomy, and its not as though China is the most homogeneous nation on earth: Mongolia is thankful to be freed, Transmur is happy for protection from the Germans, Australia and New Zeeland to keep them away from the Dutch, and you still have the Chinese Conservatives on your side. Only Indochina, with its strong Communist presence, and South China and X.L.Y (Due to the power of local Warlords) are at risk of willingly leaving your sphere of influence so long as you continue to treat them with honor and respect.

-Sirlya: The Cossacks are already revolting en-mass against Germany, and since they're a nomadic, warrior people to begin with they're already pretty much entirely mobilized. As for the Tartars, they are treated kindly by the Ottoman government, being in the same ethnic, linguistic, and most importantly religious group as the Turks, and so by and large are not interested in revolting (Greek and Georgian resistance are my sore spots). Not to mention, considering Crimea was not considered part of the Ukraine at all until it was gifted to Ukraine following WW II, and has few Ukrainian ethnics, it strikes me as odd that it is your base of operations.

- On Russian Stability: The whole point of all this splitting and chaos is that Russian political coherency is pretty much broken. Even "Russian" Siberia is largely dominated by local Siberian peoples, and the Germans have been largely focused on removing the Russians taking up the prime space first, and small groups who don't eat much on marginal land would be largely ignored as a matter of practicality. I'm not saying Russia is going to completely Balkanize, just that reunification would not be a very pretty picture if it does happen...

-Segmentia: So long as your forces are divided between a Hollandia Nova, and Japanese Australia, this is acceptable. The Dutch, recall, are taking up more then half your island as well. The Outback is a great place to hide out and handle a few small facilities, so I'll allow you some control

- Revolutionists: Though a splinter-celled system might be possible, there would be know way it would be an organization which could effectively make plans or act in consort in the pre-internet age, even if they were inclined to do so at all (Anarchists do not have the best track record with respecting central authorities, including otherworldly gods such as RPers). They can be an NPC "Association" who occasionally acts against... well, everybody, but not a PC group.

-Carathon: Just a friendly reminder, the Tartars were in no way involved with the raids in question: in fact, they have very poor relations with the Cossaks due to religious differences, and largely live in either Crimea, the North Caucus, or Turkomenistan, not occupied Germany (It seems logically that they would be allowed to go to German-Allied states of similar ethnic and religious background rather then be killed)

Also, we have an anonymous request that, if you would, please place all graphic pictures into a spoiler. There is some heavy history here, and while visual aids are useful and should be open to those who want to see them, not having them visible all the time when reading would help make some others comfortable.

Also, I do require a Co-op. Carathon, Aldelxane, and Corenea would all make good candidates. If any of you wish for it, just ask.
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Postby Segmentia » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:38 pm

Well, there is a lot of coast line to cover, and would probably be easy enough to get close enough to use small boats to run weapons and supplies ashore.
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Postby Aldelxane » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:46 pm

If the F.R.L wins, part of the terms of the German withdrawal will likely include the mass-deportation of German settlers in Russia back to Germany. It's cruel, but it'll solve a major problem if Russia begins to reunify.

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Postby Ruridova » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:47 pm

Aldelxane wrote:If the F.R.L wins, part of the terms of the German withdrawal will likely include the mass-deportation of German settlers in Russia back to Germany. It's cruel, but it'll solve a major problem if Russia begins to reunify.

What about Volga Germans who had lived there before Hitler?
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Postby Imperial City-States » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:48 pm

Since i'm to lazy to sift though pages of OOC anyone care to tell me if anything important has happened or if it's all been grabass
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Postby Corenea » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:48 pm

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Aldelxane wrote:If the F.R.L wins, part of the terms of the German withdrawal will likely include the mass-deportation of German settlers in Russia back to Germany. It's cruel, but it'll solve a major problem if Russia begins to reunify.

What about Volga Germans who had lived there before Hitler?

Fascists hate religion, don't they?
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Postby Senkaku » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:49 pm

Gran, so you know, the KMT has a more secret agenda, which is to try and break out of the Co-Prosperity Sphere after reunifying China. They will start resisting Japanese demands more, though not totally, and will be establishing a very firm base in Han China. They only pa lip service to Japan because they don't want to get invaded by proxy or the real deal, and they do want Japanese money to finance their campaigns.
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Postby Aldelxane » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:50 pm

Ruridova wrote:
Aldelxane wrote:If the F.R.L wins, part of the terms of the German withdrawal will likely include the mass-deportation of German settlers in Russia back to Germany. It's cruel, but it'll solve a major problem if Russia begins to reunify.

What about Volga Germans who had lived there before Hitler?

They were likely assimilated by force into the "master race". Even if they were absolutely trustworthy, it'd be too good of an excuse for the Germans to invade again. They will most likely have to leave.

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Postby Granadeseret » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:52 pm

Corenea wrote:
Ruridova wrote:What about Volga Germans who had lived there before Hitler?

Fascists hate religion, don't they?


Not necessarily: Fascism changes alot from nation to nation. The German S.S had their Germanic Paganism cults, the Iron Guard loved their Orthodox church, and the Ottomans are fixated on the Caliphate and a nation of Muslims. They just tend not to be very fond of religions that preach peace and understanding (Like mainstream Protestantism)

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Postby Corenea » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:54 pm

Granadeseret wrote:
Corenea wrote:Fascists hate religion, don't they?


Not necessarily: Fascism changes alot from nation to nation. The German S.S had their Germanic Paganism cults, the Iron Guard loved their Orthodox church, and the Ottomans are fixated on the Caliphate and a nation of Muslims. They just tend not to be very fond of religions that preach peace and understanding (Like mainstream Protestantism)

Won't France kind of reject Fascism since Catholicism preaches the same thing as mainstream Protestantism?
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Postby Sirlya » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:56 pm

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-Sirlya: Not to mention, considering Crimea was not considered part of the Ukraine at all until it was gifted to Ukraine following WW II, and has few Ukrainian ethnics, it strikes me as odd that it is your base of operations.

I chose it because of the Naval port, as I was counting on foreign assistance..
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Postby Granadeseret » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:56 pm

Corenea wrote:
Granadeseret wrote:
Not necessarily: Fascism changes alot from nation to nation. The German S.S had their Germanic Paganism cults, the Iron Guard loved their Orthodox church, and the Ottomans are fixated on the Caliphate and a nation of Muslims. They just tend not to be very fond of religions that preach peace and understanding (Like mainstream Protestantism)

Won't France kind of reject Fascism since Catholicism preaches the same thing as mainstream Protestantism?


Probably. The French Intellectuals were pretty Anti-Catholic ever since The Great War: I don't see why that would change particularly. However, they'd have to tolerate Catholicism (Hitler was a Catholic after all, as with Mussolini, and you can't just tick off the majority of your population by banning the church outright) but a strong does of Anti-Clericalism would be expected, especially if they're following in Napoleon's, laizee-faire to Religions approach.

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Granadeseret wrote:
-Sirlya: Not to mention, considering Crimea was not considered part of the Ukraine at all until it was gifted to Ukraine following WW II, and has few Ukrainian ethnics, it strikes me as odd that it is your base of operations.

I chose it because of the Naval port, as I was counting on foreign assistance..


The Bosporus Straits are perhaps the most secure part of the Empire, as its right through the heart of your capital. Its not exactly wide enough to smuggle anything through, so you'll have a tough time getting aid through without being noticed... though, there would be forces in Romania sympathetic to you. Certainly, you could sneak a line through them from the Mediterranean.
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