The Man in the Sand Castle (Nazi-World RP: OOC)

[Carathon]

Europe has over half a millennium of experience in colonization. We aren't sending idiots blindly and throwing a sack of seeds onto their heads, and telling them to get to work. German ( mostly ) volunteer to take over villages and plots of land from evicted / killed former residents, and they're reasonably educated upon the basics of farming. Nevermind that farming in the world, and especially in the modern Germany is becoming increasingly mechanized. I would imagine a few colonists could have been former farmers that lost their jobs due to the machines and decided to opt to continue their lifestyle on a fertile patch of land in the Ukraine.

And once more, Germany supplied many times that number of soldiers in WWII without having the Ukraine and other agricultural regions under firm control without huge problems.

Would you like to try and poke any more holes?

Honestly, I'm not interested in this RP anymore. Germany just seems to be too overpowered. I get that the Axis won the war, but still, you need to have some negative side effects to controlling a massive piece of land, but apparently their are an infinite supply of German agriculture students and displaced farmers who can just leave their homeland go and settle the lands Germany has conquered. And apparently, no resistance can develop either, because people can't organize without radios.

And apparently they stayed mobilized the entire time, but still have enough troops to intervene in conflicts around their borders.

Did you read my app or perhaps the IC?

After around twelve years of occupation, the Siberian area past Moscow is essentially the wild west, with very loose German control and near routine raids on German troops. In the free Russia league alone, there are around 250,000 - 500,000 Partisians. The Wehrmacht is forced to constantly station... gee I don't know, 70% / 1.2 million soldiers in Russia? And once again, if you look back to manifest destiny and the colonial period, frenzied gold diggers, disgruntled religious exiles and penal exiles managed to settle uncharted lands and create the nations we know today. Nevermind Germans, who have a government actively promoting self-reliance skills ( Hitler Youth ) as well as providing education, support and modern machinery to their settlers.

Yes Germany has enough men left over to intervene in regional conflicts around it's borders. Don't forget the entire Kriegsmarine and Luftwaffe is unoccupied. I don't see the problem with Germany sending a spare 10,000 or 30,000 to trouble spots in regional conflicts, or does Germany have to literally dedicate every man woman and child to Russia in order to have a chance of holding it?

[Aldelxane]

I thought you were going full Romania.

As a contingency plan, and Germany still has to deal with the partisans in Russia. I don't like how he's claiming in ten years, the lands that tens of millions of non-Aryans lived on in former Russia are now "severely depopulated."
For reference, the Holocaust started in 1933, and by its end, killed about 11 million people. For reference, 100 million people lived in Russia alone in 1950. Now, we can extend the dates to 1958, but I doubt that the number of killed would even reach "severely depopulated" levels, unless you had every military unit in the Wehrmacht in Russia hunting down every single town in former Russia, and kill all of the people in these towns, without the people forming any form of resistance or fleeing.

Russia had 116 million, now it has about 82 million. (44 million in Siberia, 28 million in European Russia, estimated 12 million in Transamur.) HOWEVER, considering the Germans repopulate all of the other Slavic countries, they simply do not have enough population left to settle more than a couple million in Russia. There are 500k partisans based in Siberia. The President of Siberoa has just been initiated into the F.R.L. As soon as the Germans turn their back, the partisans will go beyond destroying bridges and railroads and killing isolated small groups of German soldiers.

[Ruridova]

-Dutch submarines begin to sink any ships carrying American goods to Europes

Good god are you trying to provoke a third world war?

I'll drop the guilder and use the franc and the mark, thank you very much.

[Zepplien]

-Dutch submarines begin to sink any ships carrying American goods to Europes

Good god are you trying to provoke a third world war?

I'll drop the guilder and use the franc and the mark, thank you very much.

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[Segmentia]

I am the voice of sanity in the Axis...

[Marsisian]

Good god are you trying to provoke a third world war?

I'll drop the guilder and use the franc and the mark, thank you very much.

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You're enforcing the embargo with force. Wow.

[Zepplien]

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You're enforcing the embargo with force. Wow.

The Americans are the only people who can challenge my monopoly on several goods, it makes sense for me to enforce the Axis Embargo

[Carathon]

You're enforcing the embargo with force. Wow.

The Americans are the only people who can challenge my monopoly on several goods, it makes sense for me to enforce the Axis Embargo

For the sake of the Axis's collective puckered Anus, I would ask you not to provoke America in such a blatant way.

[Aldelxane]

Just Clarification: Germany killed half the population of European Russia, and deported 15% to Siberia. Siberia had a population of >50 million, however I've estimated 10 million leaving for Transamur to escape the White Russians, bringing the up from a couple million to a dozen million. The fact that the Germans can't pass the Urals and attack the democratic Siberian buffer state changes the population figures dramatically.

[Zepplien]

The Americans are the only people who can challenge my monopoly on several goods, it makes sense for me to enforce the Axis Embargo

For the sake of the Axis's collective puckered Anus, I would ask you not to provoke America in such a blatant way.

I specifically am not targeting American ships, and anyone who is transporting American goods is violating the Embargo

[Aldelxane]

Wow Carathon, you are getting desperate. Expect to lose the entirety of your force, after a mass evacuation of millions of Russians to Siberia.
(If you try to wipe out everyone immediately, you will cause an immediate revolt of ever single living Russia who exists in Russia. Literally.)

[Photana]

Honestly, I'm not interested in this RP anymore. Germany just seems to be too overpowered. I get that the Axis won the war, but still, you need to have some negative side effects to controlling a massive piece of land, but apparently their are an infinite supply of German agriculture students and displaced farmers who can just leave their homeland go and settle the lands Germany has conquered. And apparently, no resistance can develop either, because people can't organize without radios.

And apparently they stayed mobilized the entire time, but still have enough troops to intervene in conflicts around their borders.

Did you read my app or perhaps the IC?

After around twelve years of occupation, the Siberian area past Moscow is essentially the wild west, with very loose German control and near routine raids on German troops. In the free Russia league alone, there are around 250,000 - 500,000 Partisians. The Wehrmacht is forced to constantly station... gee I don't know, 70% / 1.2 million soldiers in Russia? And once again, if you look back to manifest destiny and the colonial period, frenzied gold diggers, disgruntled religious exiles and penal exiles managed to settle uncharted lands and create the nations we know today. Nevermind Germans, who have a government actively promoting self-reliance skills ( Hitler Youth ) as well as providing education, support and modern machinery to their settlers.

Yes Germany has enough men left over to intervene in regional conflicts around it's borders. Don't forget the entire Kriegsmarine and Luftwaffe is unoccupied. I don't see the problem with Germany sending a spare 10,000 or 30,000 to trouble spots in regional conflicts, or does Germany have to literally dedicate every man woman and child to Russia in order to have a chance of holding it?

You don't seem to notice/care that Germany simply doesn't have the population to repopulate Russia, and you are going to have to deal with a stream of body bags coming back from Russia, as the partisans do their work. Unless you are literally North Korea, I doubt a decade of body bags of solders coming home would garner much support for the occupation, and the near constant harassment of Germans past Moscow wouldn't garner much support either.
This seems like Vietnam.
Wait, you have strictly state controlled media, don't you? I guess that means you are completely exempt from any war exhaustion what so ever!

Is the Siberian state playerless?

[Carathon]

Did you read my app or perhaps the IC?

After around twelve years of occupation, the Siberian area past Moscow is essentially the wild west, with very loose German control and near routine raids on German troops. In the free Russia league alone, there are around 250,000 - 500,000 Partisians. The Wehrmacht is forced to constantly station... gee I don't know, 70% / 1.2 million soldiers in Russia? And once again, if you look back to manifest destiny and the colonial period, frenzied gold diggers, disgruntled religious exiles and penal exiles managed to settle uncharted lands and create the nations we know today. Nevermind Germans, who have a government actively promoting self-reliance skills ( Hitler Youth ) as well as providing education, support and modern machinery to their settlers.

Yes Germany has enough men left over to intervene in regional conflicts around it's borders. Don't forget the entire Kriegsmarine and Luftwaffe is unoccupied. I don't see the problem with Germany sending a spare 10,000 or 30,000 to trouble spots in regional conflicts, or does Germany have to literally dedicate every man woman and child to Russia in order to have a chance of holding it?

You don't seem to notice/care that Germany simply doesn't have the population to repopulate Russia, and you are going to have to deal with a stream of body bags coming back from Russia, as the partisans do their work. Unless you are literally North Korea, I doubt a decade of body bags of solders coming home would garner much support for the occupation, and the near constant harassment of Germans past Moscow wouldn't garner much support either.
This seems like Vietnam.

Is the Siberian state playerless?

A baby boom and the German policy of fertility has increased the population considerably. You also have to remember that Germany had a population of around 80 million in 1939. With the conquests of ethnic Germans in occupied nations, aswell as the annexation of Denmark, Switzerland and Alsace-Lorraine has also added to the population. I'm not saying that Russia is anywhere near completely repopulated by Germans, but the process is going steady.

Edit: The Vietnam war lasted Eighteen years before soldiers pulled out due to popular disapproval. And unlike America, Germany not only has a state controlled media but is heavily indoctrinated with the idea of a great and noble crusade. You have to remember, these are the same people who, in 1945 when the odds of victory were completely against them, fought on and armed children with panzerfausts.

[Aldelxane]

Did you read my app or perhaps the IC?

After around twelve years of occupation, the Siberian area past Moscow is essentially the wild west, with very loose German control and near routine raids on German troops. In the free Russia league alone, there are around 250,000 - 500,000 Partisians. The Wehrmacht is forced to constantly station... gee I don't know, 70% / 1.2 million soldiers in Russia? And once again, if you look back to manifest destiny and the colonial period, frenzied gold diggers, disgruntled religious exiles and penal exiles managed to settle uncharted lands and create the nations we know today. Nevermind Germans, who have a government actively promoting self-reliance skills ( Hitler Youth ) as well as providing education, support and modern machinery to their settlers.

Yes Germany has enough men left over to intervene in regional conflicts around it's borders. Don't forget the entire Kriegsmarine and Luftwaffe is unoccupied. I don't see the problem with Germany sending a spare 10,000 or 30,000 to trouble spots in regional conflicts, or does Germany have to literally dedicate every man woman and child to Russia in order to have a chance of holding it?

You don't seem to notice/care that Germany simply doesn't have the population to repopulate Russia, and you are going to have to deal with a stream of body bags coming back from Russia, as the partisans do their work. Unless you are literally North Korea, I doubt a decade of body bags of solders coming home would garner much support for the occupation, and the near constant harassment of Germans past Moscow wouldn't garner much support either.
This seems like Vietnam.

Is the Siberian state playerless?

Yes, and it's President is a member of the F.R.L. Germany has no idea what it's in for... As you said, starvation is hard to fight, but soldiers? Easy targets to vent your rage on. The have nothing left to live for. More than ten million Russians will literally encircle your troops, charge into the bullets, and tear them limb from limb. Seriously. When someone has nothing left to live for, they don't mind dying. Afterwards, Moscow and St Petersburg will revolt, murdering every German they see. Afterwards, a Siberian army will come in en-masse, and wipe out an remaining Germans. At most, you will kill 10 million Russians at most, but kiss 70% of your army goodbye. Germany has used up its baby boom repopulating the rest of the Slavic countries. Their are literally NO GERMANS LEFT to even resettle one city. After the rout of the German army, the Americans launch D-Day 2.0, and there goes Germany.

[Photana]

You don't seem to notice/care that Germany simply doesn't have the population to repopulate Russia, and you are going to have to deal with a stream of body bags coming back from Russia, as the partisans do their work. Unless you are literally North Korea, I doubt a decade of body bags of solders coming home would garner much support for the occupation, and the near constant harassment of Germans past Moscow wouldn't garner much support either.
This seems like Vietnam.

Is the Siberian state playerless?

A baby boom and the German policy of fertility has increased the population considerably. You also have to remember that Germany had a population of around 80 million in 1939. With the conquests of ethnic Germans in occupied nations, aswell as the annexation of Denmark, Switzerland and Alsace-Lorraine has also added to the population. I'm not saying that Russia is anywhere near completely repopulated by Germans, but the process is going steady.

Edit: The Vietnam war lasted Eighteen years before soldiers pulled out due to popular disapproval. And unlike America, Germany not only has a state controlled media but is heavily indoctrinated with the idea of a great and noble crusade. You have to remember, these are the same people who, in 1945 when the odds of victory were completely against them, fought on and armed children with panzerfausts.

No. That is exactly what I am talking about. Your people have infinite morale, which is impossible, every man has his breaking point. You NEED a downside to all of this. You can have a massive military, but you NEED a downside, or you just start wrecking the RP with your OP-ness.

[Carathon]

A baby boom and the German policy of fertility has increased the population considerably. You also have to remember that Germany had a population of around 80 million in 1939. With the conquests of ethnic Germans in occupied nations, aswell as the annexation of Denmark, Switzerland and Alsace-Lorraine has also added to the population. I'm not saying that Russia is anywhere near completely repopulated by Germans, but the process is going steady.

Edit: The Vietnam war lasted Eighteen years before soldiers pulled out due to popular disapproval. And unlike America, Germany not only has a state controlled media but is heavily indoctrinated with the idea of a great and noble crusade. You have to remember, these are the same people who, in 1945 when the odds of victory were completely against them, fought on and armed children with panzerfausts.

No. That is exactly what I am talking about. Your people have infinite morale, which is impossible, every man has his breaking point. You NEED a downside to all of this. You can have a massive military, but you NEED a downside, or you just start wrecking the RP with your OP-ness.

......The downside is that I have 70% of my Land military invariably useless unless I want to lose Russia? The FRL and the Internationale are out to disembowel and hang every German they can get their hands on?

[Aldelxane]

Just gonna repeat, after Poland and Ukraine, your baby boom has only managed to resettle about half of those two countries, if you want to keep them fully annexed and yours. Russia is still almost 100% Slavic.
(It'd take over 80 Million to repopulate just Poland and Ukraine, let alone all of the other land you took.)

[Photana]

No. That is exactly what I am talking about. Your people have infinite morale, which is impossible, every man has his breaking point. You NEED a downside to all of this. You can have a massive military, but you NEED a downside, or you just start wrecking the RP with your OP-ness.

......The downside is that I have 70% of my Land military invariably useless unless I want to lose Russia? The FRL and the Internationale are out to disembowel and hang every German they can get their hands on?

Still, your people are robots apparently, because they support everything the state does, and can replicate on the spot, because otherwise you'd have a hard time replacing your 1.2 million man army.

[Granadeseret]

Alright, all of this argument seems to me the need to make a judgement.

Germany has been fairly successful in Russia for exactly the same reason you said, Photana: everybody has their breaking point. The Russian population at large has had its hindquarters handed to it by the Germans twice, lost contact with the outside world, is hungry, tired, cold, and saw many a loved one die or fade away. Their young men (the most likely ones with both the will and ability to fight back) were likely the first targets. They have few (if any) weapons, watched the man they were brainwashed into believing was a god head for the hills when they needed him most, have been failing miserably against the more professional German soldiers for years (who are not afraid to use terror), having been thrown from monarchy to republic to communism to occupation and all the mess in between... they're tired, broken, their national spirit thrown into remission. Outside the least-affected and most contagious of them who made it in Bandetland and professional organizations who put forward active effort to build up their member's spirit, garnering real successes, the Russian people just don't have it in them to resist anymore; half a century of trying to fight and failing miserably has just broken most of them, and those who would be raised with a spirit of vengeance are barely in their teens. Germany is not invincible... but one does not have to be to keep down an enemy who will not raise his hand.

Though, killing off the population of Bandetland is going to be a dangerous gamble... I can't guarantee the next round of random events is going to treat Germany kindly on that front...

[Corenea]

Alright, all of this argument seems to me the need to make a judgement.

Germany has been fairly successful in Russia for exactly the same reason you said, Photana: everybody has their breaking point. The Russian population at large has had its hindquarters handed to it by the Germans twice, lost contact with the outside world, is hungry, tired, cold, and saw many a loved one die or fade away. Their young men (the most likely ones with both the will and ability to fight back) were likely the first targets. They have few (if any) weapons, watched the man they were brainwashed into believing was a god head for the hills when they needed him most, have been failing miserably against the more professional German soldiers for years (who are not afraid to use terror), having been thrown from monarchy to republic to communism to occupation and all the mess in between... they're tired, broken, their national spirit thrown into remission. Outside the least-affected and most contagious of them who made it in Bandetland and professional organizations who put forward active effort to build up their member's spirit, garnering real successes, the Russian people just don't have it in them to resist anymore; half a century of trying to fight and failing miserably has just broken most of them, and those who would be raised with a spirit of vengeance are barely in their teens. Germany is not invincible... but one does not have to be to keep down an enemy who will not raise his hand.

That will change once I have a neocon President.

[Segmentia]

I do agree that once the Germans start killing /everyone/, people are going to go ape-shit and fight back. Might not win, but they'll fight back none the less.

[Aldelxane]

No. That is exactly what I am talking about. Your people have infinite morale, which is impossible, every man has his breaking point. You NEED a downside to all of this. You can have a massive military, but you NEED a downside, or you just start wrecking the RP with your OP-ness.

......The downside is that I have 70% of my Land military invariably useless unless I want to lose Russia? The FRL and the Internationale are out to disembowel and hang every German they can get their hands on?

Umanovist thought preaches redemption and repentance for the Germans, however 500,000 partisans can't control more than 10 million angry Russians slavering for German blood. Expect mutilated bodies to come back from the front.
As said: The Germans are now literally marching through Banditenland and shooting everyone "not wearing a German uniform". I don't care how depressed these people are, they will commit suicide and die ripping at German flesh at this point. Also gonna point out, natural selection dictates that the strongest and smartest Russians survived, no matter what the Germans tried to do to the contrary. Kind of backfiring, they've probably improved the gene pool from a scientific standpoint.

[Carathon]

Just gonna repeat, after Poland and Ukraine, your baby boom has only managed to resettle about half of those two countries, if you want to keep them fully annexed and yours. Russia is still almost 100% Slavic.
(It'd take over 80 Million to repopulate just Poland and Ukraine, let alone all of the other land you took.)

Russia itself ( as in, excusing Ukraine and Ostland ) is indeed, nearly 100% slavic. As I specified, only a few rich Germans moved to the Moscow region for leadership jobs. Poland wasn't completely repopulated, as in not every pole that was killed was replaced by a German. The turn-over rate was about... 1/3? Perhaps less or more. Ukraine and Ostland are still deep in the process of being repopulated with ethnic Germans.

[Carathon]

......The downside is that I have 70% of my Land military invariably useless unless I want to lose Russia? The FRL and the Internationale are out to disembowel and hang every German they can get their hands on?

Umanovist thought preaches redemption and repentance for the Germans, however 500,000 partisans can't control more than 10 million angry Russians slavering for German blood. Expect mutilated bodies to come back from the front.
As said: The Germans are now literally marching through Banditenland and shooting everyone "not wearing a German uniform". I don't care how depressed these people are, they will commit suicide and die ripping at German flesh at this point. Also gonna point out, natural selection dictates that the strongest and smartest Russians survived, no matter what the Germans tried to do to the contrary. Kind of backfiring, they've probably improved the gene pool from a scientific standpoint.

Of course massive amounts of Russians are going to start fighting back in Siberia but you're making it sound like every single Russian in Banditenland is going to turn into a Khorne Berezeker.

[Granadeseret]

......The downside is that I have 70% of my Land military invariably useless unless I want to lose Russia? The FRL and the Internationale are out to disembowel and hang every German they can get their hands on?

Umanovist thought preaches redemption and repentance for the Germans, however 500,000 partisans can't control more than 10 million angry Russians slavering for German blood. Expect mutilated bodies to come back from the front.
As said: The Germans are now literally marching through Banditenland and shooting everyone "not wearing a German uniform". I don't care how depressed these people are, they will commit suicide and die ripping at German flesh at this point. Also gonna point out, natural selection dictates that the strongest and smartest Russians survived, no matter what the Germans tried to do to the contrary. Kind of backfiring, they've probably improved the gene pool from a scientific standpoint.

I said "up to this point"... this action might change that rather rapidly. The Russians might be political divided and broken, but they're still living animals with their own flight-or-fight responces...