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Postby Rephesus » Sat Mar 01, 2014 9:42 am

The imperial canadian dutchy wrote:
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Because you're invading a sovereign country for being islamic when most of your (oppressed) people are also Muslim. The Mughals currently have a huge muslim population, and they'd call for jihad war or something along those lines.

Turkey is majourity Orthodox in this world......
WIth Miracum's Mirka, and Veks New Roman Empire

Why would Turkey exist if it was majority Orthodox? It might as well be Byzantium then.


Also, I meant Assyria would be mostly Muslim in demographics, and seeing as you put the Christian and Jewish minorities 'above' them, the Muslims around the world would be very unhappy
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Postby The imperial canadian dutchy » Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:07 am

Rephesus wrote:
The imperial canadian dutchy wrote:Turkey is majourity Orthodox in this world......
WIth Miracum's Mirka, and Veks New Roman Empire

Why would Turkey exist if it was majority Orthodox? It might as well be Byzantium then.


Also, I meant Assyria would be mostly Muslim in demographics, and seeing as you put the Christian and Jewish minorities 'above' them, the Muslims around the world would be very unhappy

The Shiites are rather happy as are the Alawites
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Postby The imperial canadian dutchy » Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:09 am

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Rephesus wrote:Why would Turkey exist if it was majority Orthodox? It might as well be Byzantium then.


Also, I meant Assyria would be mostly Muslim in demographics, and seeing as you put the Christian and Jewish minorities 'above' them, the Muslims around the world would be very unhappy

The Shiites are rather happy as are the Alawites


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The Auxiliary Greenshirts are comprised only of Shiites and Alawites who have become italians in culture
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Postby Rephesus » Sat Mar 01, 2014 11:48 am

The imperial canadian dutchy wrote:
The imperial canadian dutchy wrote:The Shiites are rather happy as are the Alawites


infact
The Auxiliary Greenshirts are comprised only of Shiites and Alawites who have become italians in culture


You can't simply become another group. And I doubt the Shites are happy considering the ones in Tehraan are far more free and safe... And unoppressed..

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Postby The imperial canadian dutchy » Sat Mar 01, 2014 11:53 am

Rephesus wrote:
The imperial canadian dutchy wrote:
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The Auxiliary Greenshirts are comprised only of Shiites and Alawites who have become italians in culture


You can't simply become another group. And I doubt the Shites are happy considering the ones in Tehraan are far more free and safe... And unoppressed..

They are assimilated Muslims.....
They are far safer here, and are free to kill as many sunnis as they want
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Postby Rephesus » Sat Mar 01, 2014 12:35 pm

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You can't simply become another group. And I doubt the Shites are happy considering the ones in Tehraan are far more free and safe... And unoppressed..

They are assimilated Muslims.....
They are far safer here, and are free to kill as many sunnis as they want

'Assimilated'? You do realize anything short of a Caliphate ruling over these people would result in a civil war to overthrow whatever oppressive regime you have ruling over them.

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Postby The imperial canadian dutchy » Sat Mar 01, 2014 12:37 pm

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The imperial canadian dutchy wrote:They are assimilated Muslims.....
They are far safer here, and are free to kill as many sunnis as they want

'Assimilated'? You do realize anything short of a Caliphate ruling over these people would result in a civil war to overthrow whatever oppressive regime you have ruling over them.

The Blackshirts Pacify people...
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Postby Rephesus » Sat Mar 01, 2014 12:42 pm

Oh no they don't, if you have a bunch if armed Italians running around shooting locals, they are pretty much guaranteed to break out into an ethnic rebellion and kill anyone who isn't a brown-skinned Muslim.

You really haven't been paying attention to how conflict in the Middle East works, have you?

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Postby The imperial canadian dutchy » Sat Mar 01, 2014 12:55 pm

Rephesus wrote:Oh no they don't, if you have a bunch if armed Italians running around shooting locals, they are pretty much guaranteed to break out into an ethnic rebellion and kill anyone who isn't a brown-skinned Muslim.

You really haven't been paying attention to how conflict in the Middle East works, have you?

We kill Community leaders in secret...rebellious Imam? dead.
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Postby Rephesus » Sat Mar 01, 2014 12:57 pm

When nearly every single man ants you outfits hard to single out 'leaders' much harder to 'secretly kill' them. In any event, if you did manage to kill a leader in a rebellious group, they'd be replaced and the group would be further angered.

I'm seriously considering having the Mughal Empire intervene.

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Postby The imperial canadian dutchy » Sat Mar 01, 2014 2:05 pm

Rephesus wrote:When nearly every single man ants you outfits hard to single out 'leaders' much harder to 'secretly kill' them. In any event, if you did manage to kill a leader in a rebellious group, they'd be replaced and the group would be further angered.

I'm seriously considering having the Mughal Empire intervene.

What do you think we are doing against the Muslims?
Concentration camps?
Death camps?
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Postby Bujahla » Sat Mar 01, 2014 2:57 pm

I'm siding with Ret(?) here. I for one, never though the whole italian middle east made any sense.....
*Huzzah he lives!*

Nah, son. Britain was all like "yo, why my colonies be all uppity an' shit?!" And Lord Durham laid it straight: "they be wantin' legislation with representation, dawg."


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Postby Alleniana » Sat Mar 01, 2014 3:55 pm

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Huh, how?
You have no borders with them and a continual ring of Russia, Assyria and Egypt under Italy prevents you from reaching them


My Western border (Iran) borders Assyria's east (Iraq), and goes up to Turkey through Azerbaijan.

This is assuming that Assyria allows Mughal trade through...?

I believe what has happened with Assyria is revolts? Done that, been there. They're not a new state, and they've most likely gone through that unstable period where all those Sunnis decided to go batshit and kill people in rebellion, and they lost.

As for the Shi'ites and stuff, they won't be leaping for joy, but they won't be pissed enough to defect to the Mughals when they have effective freedom.

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Postby Rephesus » Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:04 pm

Alleniana wrote:
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My Western border (Iran) borders Assyria's east (Iraq), and goes up to Turkey through Azerbaijan.

This is assuming that Assyria allows Mughal trade through...?

I believe what has happened with Assyria is revolts? Done that, been there. They're not a new state, and they've most likely gone through that unstable period where all those Sunnis decided to go batshit and kill people in rebellion, and they lost.

As for the Shi'ites and stuff, they won't be leaping for joy, but they won't be pissed enough to defect to the Mughals when they have effective freedom.


I'm not asking anyone to defect, and I don't even want to intervene with anything, but realistically the Mughal empire is the dominant power in the Arab world, Assyria is a war-torn and highly strained fascist state which has ethnic superiority complexes.

As for the Shias, Seeing as Tehraan is in the Mughal Empire I would believe that they'd prefer Mughal rule and would defect, I'd expect mass immigration from Assyria.

As for them allowing trade, that doesn't fully affect me because even if they don't I can still trade around them via Turkey and Russia, of course if their regime invades Turkey there will be an issue.

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Postby Alleniana » Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:27 pm

Rephesus wrote:
Alleniana wrote:This is assuming that Assyria allows Mughal trade through...?

I believe what has happened with Assyria is revolts? Done that, been there. They're not a new state, and they've most likely gone through that unstable period where all those Sunnis decided to go batshit and kill people in rebellion, and they lost.

As for the Shi'ites and stuff, they won't be leaping for joy, but they won't be pissed enough to defect to the Mughals when they have effective freedom.


I'm not asking anyone to defect, and I don't even want to intervene with anything, but realistically the Mughal empire is the dominant power in the Arab world, Assyria is a war-torn and highly strained fascist state which has ethnic superiority complexes.

As for the Shias, Seeing as Tehraan is in the Mughal Empire I would believe that they'd prefer Mughal rule and would defect, I'd expect mass immigration from Assyria.

As for them allowing trade, that doesn't fully affect me because even if they don't I can still trade around them via Turkey and Russia, of course if their regime invades Turkey there will be an issue.

"I'm not asking anyone to defect, "
"I would believe that they'd prefer Mughal rule and would defect, "

Also, war-torn? I don't believe their history mentioned war for at least a few decades before now? Confused here.

Russia, indeed, though if they cut off trade, you can't get to Turkey, which has only Mediterranean & Black Sea coast.

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Postby Rephesus » Sat Mar 01, 2014 7:41 pm

Alleniana wrote:"I would believe that they'd prefer Mughal rule and would defect, "

Also, war-torn? I don't believe their history mentioned war for at least a few decades before now? Confused here.

Russia, indeed, though if they cut off trade, you can't get to Turkey, which has only Mediterranean & Black Sea coast.


Like I said, the Mughal Empire would not ask them to defect, they'd likely come in as refugees on their own.

One does not simply execute and attempt to 'reeducate' the majority populace in an unstable region and place a small and historically hated minority above them without at least constant insurgency but most likely full-blown revolts.

And I border turkey via Azerbaijan.

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Postby Alleniana » Sat Mar 01, 2014 7:44 pm

Rephesus wrote:
Alleniana wrote:"I would believe that they'd prefer Mughal rule and would defect, "

Also, war-torn? I don't believe their history mentioned war for at least a few decades before now? Confused here.

Russia, indeed, though if they cut off trade, you can't get to Turkey, which has only Mediterranean & Black Sea coast.


Like I said, the Mughal Empire would not ask them to defect, they'd likely come in as refugees on their own.

One does not simply execute and attempt to 'reeducate' the majority populace in an unstable region and place a small and historically hated minority above them without at least constant insurgency but most likely full-blown revolts.

And I border turkey via Azerbaijan.

Well, I don't think ICD has a problem with that. Though more Sunnis would likely be refugees than Shi'ites, because Shi'ites aren't as discriminated against.

That, in case you haven't noticed, is what the Mughals did. ;) Timur and his Mongols rode in, imposed this militaristic crazy empire and set it up for eternity. All it takes is time to mellow things.

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Postby The imperial canadian dutchy » Sat Mar 01, 2014 7:47 pm

Rephesus wrote:
Alleniana wrote:"I would believe that they'd prefer Mughal rule and would defect, "

Also, war-torn? I don't believe their history mentioned war for at least a few decades before now? Confused here.

Russia, indeed, though if they cut off trade, you can't get to Turkey, which has only Mediterranean & Black Sea coast.


Like I said, the Mughal Empire would not ask them to defect, they'd likely come in as refugees on their own.

One does not simply execute and attempt to 'reeducate' the majority populace in an unstable region and place a small and historically hated minority above them without at least constant insurgency but most likely full-blown revolts.

And I border turkey via Azerbaijan.


What part of Fascist dont you get.....we dont allow emigration because we already have a small population
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Postby The imperial canadian dutchy » Sat Mar 01, 2014 7:50 pm

Just Saying i will be instituing Secular reforms soon to make it easier to
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Postby Emilio Aguinaldo » Sat Mar 01, 2014 7:58 pm

Rephesus wrote:
Alleniana wrote:"I would believe that they'd prefer Mughal rule and would defect, "

Also, war-torn? I don't believe their history mentioned war for at least a few decades before now? Confused here.

Russia, indeed, though if they cut off trade, you can't get to Turkey, which has only Mediterranean & Black Sea coast.


Like I said, the Mughal Empire would not ask them to defect, they'd likely come in as refugees on their own.

One does not simply execute and attempt to 'reeducate' the majority populace in an unstable region and place a small and historically hated minority above them without at least constant insurgency but most likely full-blown revolts.

And I border turkey via Azerbaijan.

Stop arguing with ICD. It’s pointless, it’s like playing chess with a pigeon and you know the rest of the quote.
Emilio Aguinaldo wrote:Grab your gun, point it at bad guy, pull trigger.

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Postby Alleniana » Sat Mar 01, 2014 7:59 pm

Emilio Aguinaldo wrote:
Rephesus wrote:
Like I said, the Mughal Empire would not ask them to defect, they'd likely come in as refugees on their own.

One does not simply execute and attempt to 'reeducate' the majority populace in an unstable region and place a small and historically hated minority above them without at least constant insurgency but most likely full-blown revolts.

And I border turkey via Azerbaijan.

Stop arguing with ICD. It’s pointless, it’s like playing chess with a pigeon and you know the rest of the quote.

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Postby The imperial canadian dutchy » Sat Mar 01, 2014 8:00 pm

Emilio Aguinaldo wrote:
Rephesus wrote:
Like I said, the Mughal Empire would not ask them to defect, they'd likely come in as refugees on their own.

One does not simply execute and attempt to 'reeducate' the majority populace in an unstable region and place a small and historically hated minority above them without at least constant insurgency but most likely full-blown revolts.

And I border turkey via Azerbaijan.

Stop arguing with ICD. It’s pointless, it’s like playing chess with a pigeon and you know the rest of the quote.


Rather rude....and unnecessary.
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Postby Emilio Aguinaldo » Sat Mar 01, 2014 8:01 pm

The imperial canadian dutchy wrote:
Emilio Aguinaldo wrote:Stop arguing with ICD. It’s pointless, it’s like playing chess with a pigeon and you know the rest of the quote.


Rather rude....and unnecessary.

Well, at least it’s much more civilised than Galter.
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Postby Alleniana » Sat Mar 01, 2014 8:03 pm

Emilio Aguinaldo wrote:
The imperial canadian dutchy wrote:
Rather rude....and unnecessary.

Well, at least it’s much more civilised than Galter.

Speaking of which, perhaps a referenda upon him shall be held.
Are there any who feel he should be let back in?

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