New Imperialism - AH RP v 1.2 [OOC, Signup]

[Altito Asmoro]

Possibly in Normandy or Brittany, I have sent telegrams to Allen asking if those would be good places.

Out of idle curiosity, what made you select those areas?

Perhaps because he wants to distabilize France more than Britain?

[Mishmahig]

Out of idle curiosity, what made you select those areas?

Well, my first choice was to play Bavarian rebels. Allen, however, said they would be like the modern IRA with no support, unachievable goals, and little members.

Then I looked to Catalonia and Allen told me there were too much rebel groups there.

My final choice was Normandy or Brittany because they would have popular local support, a mostly separate cultural identity from the French, and plenty of land and people in case I actually do get independent.

Well, kudos for not going for the classical Scottish or Irish rebels.

[Marsisian]

Well, my first choice was to play Bavarian rebels. Allen, however, said they would be like the modern IRA with no support, unachievable goals, and little members.

Then I looked to Catalonia and Allen told me there were too much rebel groups there.

My final choice was Normandy or Brittany because they would have popular local support, a mostly separate cultural identity from the French, and plenty of land and people in case I actually do get independent.

Well, kudos for not going for the classical Scottish or Irish rebels.

Thank you.

Also, any chance of Normandy becoming independent?

[Mishmahig]

Well, kudos for not going for the classical Scottish or Irish rebels.

Thank you.

Also, any chance of Normandy becoming independent?

No, not really, but you can try.

[Marsisian]

Thank you.

Also, any chance of Normandy becoming independent?

No, not really, but you can try.

I was asking you if you would allow us to become independent.

[Mishmahig]

No, not really, but you can try.

I was asking you if you would allow us to become independent.

IC: No.
OOC: There'd have to be an exceptionally convincing way/reason for it.

[Marsisian]

I was asking you if you would allow us to become independent.

IC: No.
OOC: There'd have to be an exceptionally convincing way/reason for it.

One reason is that you'd gain money by trading with us rather than when you owned Normandy, not a separate nation. But I'm not sure that's exceptionally convincing.

[Gyrenaica]

What is that range in the pacific with Australia, Indonesia, etc?

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

IC: No.
OOC: There'd have to be an exceptionally convincing way/reason for it.

One reason is that you'd gain money by trading with us rather than when you owned Normandy, not a separate nation. But I'm not sure that's exceptionally convincing.

There wasn't an exceptionally good reason for Britain to give independence to the Thirteen Colonies, yet they were forced to do it. Objectively speaking, France has gained enough "enemies" in the world that a revolution in Brittany wouldn't sound so bad to some countries. Some secret funding here and there in addition to certain policies (sorry for the vagueness) that could affect the public opinion of the French could really bring independence to Brittany.

Now, this is just me thinking aloud, I am not trying to spark an argument.

[Marsisian]

One reason is that you'd gain money by trading with us rather than when you owned Normandy, not a separate nation. But I'm not sure that's exceptionally convincing.

There wasn't an exceptionally good reason for Britain to give independence to the Thirteen Colonies, yet they were forced to do it. Objectively speaking, France has gained enough "enemies" in the world that a revolution in Brittany wouldn't sound so bad to some countries. Some secret funding here and there in addition to certain policies (sorry for the vagueness) that could affect the public opinion of the French could really bring independence to Brittany.

Now, this is just me thinking aloud, I am not trying to spark an argument.

Oh... It is possible to gain independence as Brittany...

[Conchabira]

There wasn't an exceptionally good reason for Britain to give independence to the Thirteen Colonies, yet they were forced to do it. Objectively speaking, France has gained enough "enemies" in the world that a revolution in Brittany wouldn't sound so bad to some countries. Some secret funding here and there in addition to certain policies (sorry for the vagueness) that could affect the public opinion of the French could really bring independence to Brittany.

Now, this is just me thinking aloud, I am not trying to spark an argument.

Oh... It is possible to gain independence as Brittany...

You would have support of the now OOCly and partially ICly official Triple Alliance.

Btw I am currently working my IC post and will have it finished tomorrow

[Rephesus]

Tbh as Eurasia I'm probably the most vulnerable to independence movements. After Italy of course.

[Marsisian]

I'm torn here. I either go as a Briton independence group using the info that Han and Conch gave me just now, or go to a more vulnerable country....

[Mishmahig]

There wasn't an exceptionally good reason for Britain to give independence to the Thirteen Colonies, yet they were forced to do it. Objectively speaking, France has gained enough "enemies" in the world that a revolution in Brittany wouldn't sound so bad to some countries. Some secret funding here and there in addition to certain policies (sorry for the vagueness) that could affect the public opinion of the French could really bring independence to Brittany.

Now, this is just me thinking aloud, I am not trying to spark an argument.

Oh... It is possible to gain independence as Brittany...

I'm going to go ahead and put this to the rest. France is, as Calt noted a while ago, the Queen of Not-Letting-Go-of-Territory. If it were a colony, we might reluctantly be able to part with it, but if it's in the homeland, after 350+ years of incorporation, you'd have to fight France entirely. Additionally, France is an ultra-liberal Republic with a great deal of rights, regulations, and limits on the government's power, which means that the Bretons don't have an ultra-oppressive ruler to complain about -- the opposite. The Prime Minister of France is, as I noted a few pages ago in a discussion with Kryskov, a Breton himself.

To put it more simply, for Brittany to gain independence, you would have to break France. You would have to goose-step through the Arc de Triomphe, melt the Eiffel Tower down for gunmetal, raze the entirety of the French countryside, blow up every single factory, rip up every railroad tie, and put the entire French Cabinet to the sword before they would even consider letting Brittany go.

You might have a shot at autonomy. But independence, through armed revolution? No.

I'm torn here. I either go as a Briton independence group using the info that Han and Conch gave me just now, or go to a more vulnerable country....

Either is fine with me; I'm more than happy to have you RP in my nation. If you want success, however, you should probably go for another nation -- Iberian faction, Eurasian break-away movement, Iberia, Turkey.

Or, you could claim a nation that's an NPC right now -- Iberia, Turkey, NESA, Argentina, etc

[Marsisian]

It would be fun executing every single French citizen in the universe, but I'm going with a Baltic rebellion.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

There are some rather "important" countries currently left up to being NPCs, some of which have been named. There is also that NeSA thing or whatever that is called.

[Marsisian]

Plus, I don't think I can do an Iberian faction. Allen some time ago said there was too much there.

[Valentir]

Ugh, rebels. I hate rebels. They break apart great nations, sow dissent and hate, and they challenge the old order! DOWN WITH REBELS!

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

Ugh, rebels. I hate rebels. They break apart great nations, sow dissent and hate, and they challenge the old order! DOWN WITH REBELS!

Yeah fuck rebels

[Alleniana]

Oh noes Turkey is acoming for me. come Eurasia, come France, and Italy too. The FDA and maybe even the Bulgarians too. The Ottoman menece is returning to Europe. Brb running away.

You kind of came for Turkey

That's why he's asking for the Brits and Italians.

However, we might see a skirmish in the Eastern Med. soon. Eurasia, France, and Italy need to prepare themselves if Turkey comes aknocking. Since the FDA is stationed in Athens, everyone with a mission or delegation there should ready their armies too.

Turkey won't attack.

They faced the risk of being partitioned between the members of the Sevastopol Conference, and it was only French diplomatic intervention that saved them in that case.

If they attack, not only will France drop their objections, but the French will view it as an insult/betrayal of their support. The Turks would never recover, even if they did manage to remain a sizable, independent, nation. Which is unlikely.

Popular sentiment forces them to.

China and Japan friends? wtf is this shit

Italy successful at colonialism? Wtf is this shit

History?
wtf is this shit

I have to ask what the Chinese hold against the French.

There's a lot of reasons, but primarily, the Chinese don't believe they should be considered a "Pacific Power," or part of a "Pacific Pact," since they have no primarily cultural ties to the region. It would be as though China should be included in a Middle East Pact because it owns Socotra. And additionally, it opposes France on its colonial administration of Indochina, which the Chinese believe should be a free and independent state.

I have to point out New Zealand, a.k.a. French Aotearoa.

Pretty sure there never was an Ottoman Empire, at least not to the extent we knew it.

There was and it went as normal, until about the unification of italy when the Assyrians launched the Great Turkish Crusade

As normal?
No, it was much weaker than it was IRL during the Assyrian thingy.

What is that range in the pacific with Australia, Indonesia, etc?

Erm... Siam?

Now, time to attempt to update the map. I was going to try and collate all the info and then create it, but it's not working very well, so instead I'll post drafts and woe be to you if you don't point out the errors in your country. C'est capiche?

[Marsisian]

Nation Name: Confederation of Catalan Revolutionary Forces
Symbols: Flag, Coat of Arms
Population: 1,900,000 people support, total population is 2,302,500
Location/Claims: All of the ethnically Catalan lands
Capital City: Barcelona (Does not control it)
Government Type: The Revolutionary forces are controlled by one single command structure at the base of a remote Catalonian mountain in the wilderness, organizing all attacks on Iberian military units and other activities, but in the local theatre, attack orders given by the High Command are conveyed to revolutionary squadrons who then carry out the attack.
Ideology: The CCRF supports Capitalism due to it being the prime economic ideology of the Western world and the fact that it was used by the medieval Crown of Aragon. Monarchism is supported by the CCRF because they believe in the right of Kings to rule a nation and its people as well as Constitutional right to rule. Colonialism is supported because the CCRF advocates the White Man's Burden, and therefore, colonization of other peoples.
Leader/s: Carlos Rodriguez (Rebel leader)
Economy: How the CCRF gets income is mostly from foreign investment in the group to destabilize Iberia, but does make a sizable sum of money from selling Iberian weapons on the black market as well as selling foodstuffs and cash crops gathered from supportive farmers.
Infrastructure: The Confederation has most of their hideouts in the wilderness where Iberian counter-revolutionary forces cannot find them and wipe them out in one go. It does have a lot of bases in cities, however, and regularly conducts raids on Iberian military installations and government buildings.
Army: 15,000 (30,000 if allowed) armed revolutionaries, mostly armed with stolen Iberian military weapons and foreign weapons bought off the black market. Effectiveness of the Catalonian revolutionary forces is medium.
Navy: N/A
Goals: To make Catalonia independent from the Iberian Republic
History: WIP
RP Sample: You know me
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[Alleniana]

Nation Name: Catalonian Rebels
Symbols: Flag of Catalonia, Coat of Arms of Catalonia
Population: 2,302,500
Location/Claims: Catalonia (Does not control it)
Capital City: Barcelona (Does not control it)
Government Type: N/A
Ideology: N/A
Leader/s: Carlos Rodriguez (Rebel leader)
Economy: N/A
Infrastructure: N/A
Army: 15,000 (30,000 if allowed) armed revolutionaries, mostly armed with stolen Iberian military weapons and foreign weapons bought off the black market. Effectiveness of the Catalonian revolutionary forces is medium.
Navy: N/A
Goals: To make Catalonia independent from the Iberian Republic
History: WIP
RP Sample: You know me
429

Lots of the N.A.s are still relevant; how your organization is led, how well its armed, etc.

[Marsisian]

Nation Name: Catalonian Rebels
Symbols: Flag of Catalonia, Coat of Arms of Catalonia
Population: 2,302,500
Location/Claims: Catalonia (Does not control it)
Capital City: Barcelona (Does not control it)
Government Type: N/A
Ideology: N/A
Leader/s: Carlos Rodriguez (Rebel leader)
Economy: N/A
Infrastructure: N/A
Army: 15,000 (30,000 if allowed) armed revolutionaries, mostly armed with stolen Iberian military weapons and foreign weapons bought off the black market. Effectiveness of the Catalonian revolutionary forces is medium.
Navy: N/A
Goals: To make Catalonia independent from the Iberian Republic
History: WIP
RP Sample: You know me
429

Lots of the N.A.s are still relevant; how your organization is led, how well its armed, etc.

Oh. I'll fix those.

[Marsisian]

I think I got the N/As that are relevant filled in.

[Conchabira]

Nation Name: Catalonian Rebels
Symbols: Flag of Catalonia, Coat of Arms of Catalonia
Population: 2,302,500
Location/Claims: Catalonia (Does not control it)
Capital City: Barcelona (Does not control it)
Government Type: The Revolutionary forces are controlled by one single command structure at the base of a remote Catalonian mountain in the wilderness, organizing all attacks on Iberian military units and other activities, but in the local theatre, attack orders given by the High Command are conveyed to revolutionary squadrons who then carry out the attack.
Ideology: Capitalism, Monarchism, Colonialism
Leader/s: Carlos Rodriguez (Rebel leader)
Economy: N/A
Infrastructure: N/A
Army: 15,000 (30,000 if allowed) armed revolutionaries, mostly armed with stolen Iberian military weapons and foreign weapons bought off the black market. Effectiveness of the Catalonian revolutionary forces is medium.
Navy: N/A
Goals: To make Catalonia independent from the Iberian Republic
History: WIP
RP Sample: You know me
429

The Triple Alliance will support your revolt if after we invade and topple the Iberian Republic you pledge allegiance to the Triple alliance and you could possibly join it as well if you cooperate.