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[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

Which you didn't because you wanted all the canal to yourself. Don't forget to re-read that moment. I remember that you said that you could defeat us so that you weren't interested in the deal proposed by the Colombians.

Btw, Colombia moved to quarterfinals!

Which reminds me. Ochoa vs Netherlands is tonight. Yeah, but still no want canal. I’d rather them dock at my ports and pay more expense than go through a canal. That or I’m a fucking idiot last year.

Well, I am not trying to offend you, but it would be the latter. I remember clearly that this whole war was started by Mexico because of that canal. A false-flag attack was even used by Mexico to have a "real" casus belli. But anyway, the past is the past. I haven't decided if I want to build the canal, and if I decide to build I need to look for investors :-\

[Emilio Aguinaldo]

Which reminds me. Ochoa vs Netherlands is tonight. Yeah, but still no want canal. I’d rather them dock at my ports and pay more expense than go through a canal. That or I’m a fucking idiot last year.

Well, I am not trying to offend you, but it would be the latter. I remember clearly that this whole war was started by Mexico because of that canal. A false-flag attack was even used by Mexico to have a "real" casus belli. But anyway, the past is the past. I haven't decided if I want to build the canal, and if I decide to build I need to look for investors :-\

Meh, even if we jointly did it some other power would try to pry it off our hands. Also, I’m not offended. I can take them as much as I can dish it out.

[Kryskov]

There is no ruler of France. The current Prime Minister is Breton, while the President is a Parisian, and several Ministers are Gascon/Occitan. France itself has little to no unified culture -- their identity has truly only developed since the time of Napoleon.

My point still stands, they aren't from the continent of Asia, whatever ethnicity.

Primary governing institution of Eurasia is in Moscow, which is in that vague area between Europe and Asia, while Russia has historically (and in this time line) had a focus towards European interactions.

And I would also be largely opposed to Eurasian membership, though a looser involvement would remain an option.

Primary governing institutions in Colombia are split between the Caribbean and the Pacific, presumably, while the government has had minimal contact with nations on the opposite side of the Pacific. The same goes for Charcas, Mexico, and Chile. In all four cases, they've been European/American-aligned more than their counterparts across the ocean.

I would argue that the Americas have a different criteria than Indochina, as they have, since their creation, a historical connection with Asia, which the nations of Europe has only through colonization.

The Dutch have a federal structure -- their Australian and Indonesian states would certainly have a primary focus in the Pacific/Asiatic regions, and make up a majority of the land mass of the United Provinces.

In short, there's no unified trans-Pacific culture, consistent interest, or large-scale interaction among the nations that border it. The only guideline that you're using is "Does their capital border the Pacific?" If you include the Mughals in this pact--- as the Pacific Republic did --then that argument vanishes as well.

I would also, likewise, be a bit opposed to Mughal membership, though, again, a separate association agreement can be made (also Val being a douche to me doesn't help).

Minds of Paris are focused on business and the administration of their nation, which includes their Pacific holdings.

In a perfect world, sure, but I am pretty sure that this wouldn't be the case, and there'd likely be some mismanagement and neglect.

They're not. They're an independent nation under competing Mughal and Japanese influence/domination.

Again, I've seen little in terms of talking about Siam in the IC. China, India, etc. realize that the Siamese are in the Dutch sphere.

It's actually Asiatic nations that are doing this. Europe's already come and done their colonization spree, and de-colonization's not going to happen for another ~20-70 years, at best. Besides, the only true colonial empire is (possibly) Iberia -- France and the UP have already enacted progressive autonomy and federalized structures, respectively.

I would prefer so very much to have Asians controlling spheres in Asia to Europeans. And anyways, the autonomous structures will likely only help my plans.

There's only one nation left in Asia that can reasonably be sphered, and that's Siam, which is being sphered between the Japanese and the Mughals. It appears as if China needs to take care of the other colonial/imperialistic Asiatic powers before warning off the Europeans.

Already sphered under the Dutch.

Speaking of Opium, I am assuming the Opium Wars never happened. Which means that China is even more not Western than one would expect of it in 1900. Or at least, one would assume it was so.

Doubtful. A more open foreign policy, defeat of the reactionaries, more centralized systems to ensure less corruption, etc. has led to a largely more industrious China.

Aww, isn't China cute, trying to defend all of Asia from those dirty Imperialist Scum so they can have the region to themselves!

How Val, thought we were friends.

Oh and did Abuja build the Transiberian rail yet?

I believe so. Buj and I had agreed to extend the Moscow-Delhi Railway to Canton (where it would hook up with China's railways), and then north to the Trans-siberian, essentially creating a loop. In turn, we had also agreed to Non-Aggression Pacts and some military exercises and sending Russian advisers.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

Well, I am not trying to offend you, but it would be the latter. I remember clearly that this whole war was started by Mexico because of that canal. A false-flag attack was even used by Mexico to have a "real" casus belli. But anyway, the past is the past. I haven't decided if I want to build the canal, and if I decide to build I need to look for investors :-\

Meh, even if we jointly did it some other power would try to pry it off our hands. Also, I’m not offended. I can take them as much as I can dish it out.

I know :-\ I might as well not build it in that case. Depends on Russia's new player's stance.

[Emilio Aguinaldo]

Meh, even if we jointly did it some other power would try to pry it off our hands. Also, I’m not offended. I can take them as much as I can dish it out.

I know :-\ I might as well not build it in that case. Depends on Russia's new player's stance.

I’ll just exploit your treaty and Pacific’s lack truce time.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

I know :-\ I might as well not build it in that case. Depends on Russia's new player's stance.

I’ll just exploit your treaty and Pacific’s lack truce time.

Yea. Well, what was agreed on with Buj is (if it is built) a company would be created where stocks could be acquired by anyone

[Vredlandia]

the only true colonial empire is (possibly) Iberia -- France and the UP have already enacted progressive autonomy and federalized structures, respectively.

They also enacted such structures, or at least a good start. 'Colonies' are allowed to vote and get to send their elected delegates to the parliament.

[Mishmahig]

There is no ruler of France. The current Prime Minister is Breton, while the President is a Parisian, and several Ministers are Gascon/Occitan. France itself has little to no unified culture -- their identity has truly only developed since the time of Napoleon.

My point still stands, they aren't from the continent of Asia, whatever ethnicity.

And Dutch or French representatives from the Pacific Administrative Regions? They are most certainly of Pacific/Asiatic/Polynesian cultures.

Primary governing institution of Eurasia is in Moscow, which is in that vague area between Europe and Asia, while Russia has historically (and in this time line) had a focus towards European interactions.

And I would also be largely opposed to Eurasian membership, though a looser involvement would remain an option.

And yet the sole objection you've raised is French membership. Not a peep about Eurasia being a founding member.

Primary governing institutions in Colombia are split between the Caribbean and the Pacific, presumably, while the government has had minimal contact with nations on the opposite side of the Pacific. The same goes for Charcas, Mexico, and Chile. In all four cases, they've been European/American-aligned more than their counterparts across the ocean.

I would argue that the Americas have a different criteria than Indochina, as they have, since their creation, a historical connection with Asia, which the nations of Europe has only through colonization.

...What. Literally every single country in the Americas arose through European methods, adopted European cultures, European languages, European technology, European allies. I'd be fascinated to learn to how there is a "historical connection with Asia".

The Dutch have a federal structure -- their Australian and Indonesian states would certainly have a primary focus in the Pacific/Asiatic regions, and make up a majority of the land mass of the United Provinces.

In short, there's no unified trans-Pacific culture, consistent interest, or large-scale interaction among the nations that border it. The only guideline that you're using is "Does their capital border the Pacific?" If you include the Mughals in this pact--- as the Pacific Republic did --then that argument vanishes as well.

I would also, likewise, be a bit opposed to Mughal membership, though, again, a separate association agreement can be made (also Val being a douche to me doesn't help).

And yet, you made no mention of this when the Pacific Republic invited them and Eurasia. You were all set to accept the agreement until the French came in, leading to your sole objection thus far.

Minds of Paris are focused on business and the administration of their nation, which includes their Pacific holdings.

In a perfect world, sure, but I am pretty sure that this wouldn't be the case, and there'd likely be some mismanagement and neglect.

General autonomy, actually, and the French government is actually pretty pro-trade and business. I concede this point, although note that the same applies for numerous other nations involved in the Pact.

They're not. They're an independent nation under competing Mughal and Japanese influence/domination.

Again, I've seen little in terms of talking about Siam in the IC. China, India, etc. realize that the Siamese are in the Dutch sphere.

Buj himself told me that the Siamese were under heavy Japanese economic/political domination, and that the Mughals were competing (Val made numerous OOC threats to invade). The Dutch have a military alliance to stop a more powerful neighbor from bordering their Indonesian possessions, not economic/political/cultural dominance.

It's actually Asiatic nations that are doing this. Europe's already come and done their colonization spree, and de-colonization's not going to happen for another ~20-70 years, at best. Besides, the only true colonial empire is (possibly) Iberia -- France and the UP have already enacted progressive autonomy and federalized structures, respectively.

I would prefer so very much to have Asians controlling spheres in Asia to Europeans. And anyways, the autonomous structures will likely only help my plans.

Ah, you'd rather see Asiatic Imperialism than European. That's okay, the Europeans are focused in Africa and the Americas currently, not Asia.

I look forward to whatever plans you have in store.

There's only one nation left in Asia that can reasonably be sphered, and that's Siam, which is being sphered between the Japanese and the Mughals. It appears as if China needs to take care of the other colonial/imperialistic Asiatic powers before warning off the Europeans.

Already sphered under the Dutch.

Incorrect.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

Who next wants the black banner!
First Britain, then Italy! Then the world!

[Vredlandia]

Who next wants the black banner!
First Britain, then Italy! Then the world!

You could fund them in Northern Germany. I'll introduce them then.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

Who next wants the black banner!
First Britain, then Italy! Then the world!

You could fund them in Northern Germany. I'll introduce them then.

This time real Fascists! no Nazi! unless your in south Tyrol

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

Who next wants the black banner!
First Britain, then Italy! Then the world!

I guess there could be some (in order to be realistic) but they wouldn't be very powerful.

[Kryskov]

And Dutch or French representatives from the Pacific Administrative Regions? They are most certainly of Pacific/Asiatic/Polynesian cultures.

Who have been persuaded to adopt the culture of the Dutch/French. They are hardly ethnically Pacific/Asiatic/Polynesian, and are only so racially.

And yet the sole objection you've raised is French membership. Not a peep about Eurasia being a founding member.

To my recollection, Reph has not joined the Pact. I would raise some objections, but Eurasia is a Chinese friend and hopeful ally, and we have made several deals to benefit each other. They have chosen to remain respectful of Chinese interests and integrity, and have refrained from disrespecting our wishes for freedom and liberty for all East-SE Asian peoples.

...What. Literally every single country in the Americas arose through European methods, adopted European cultures, European languages, European technology, European allies. I'd be fascinated to learn to how there is a "historical connection with Asia".

Misphrased. I meant to write "Pacific."

And yet, you made no mention of this when the Pacific Republic invited them and Eurasia. You were all set to accept the agreement until the French came in, leading to your sole objection thus far.

The Mughals and Eurasians had little interest when we committed, there was little need to raise concerns. And furthermore, they have been rather good friends to me.

General autonomy, actually, and the French government is actually pretty pro-trade and business. I concede this point, although note that the same applies for numerous other nations involved in the Pact.

I assume this is some RL, modern-day values bleeding into the past, so I countered with claims that people simply wouldn't care much bout Indochina.

Buj himself told me that the Siamese were under heavy Japanese economic/political domination, and that the Mughals were competing (Val made numerous OOC threats to invade). The Dutch have a military alliance to stop a more powerful neighbor from bordering their Indonesian possessions, not economic/political/cultural dominance.

Agree to disagree.[/quote]

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Um the Romanian ships have not arrived. They have to go through Greek waters first and they didn't have permission to enter...

[Schweinehund]

Um the Romanian ships have not arrived. They have to go through Greek waters first and they didn't have permission to enter...

Constantinopole, you mean? Which is independent? SCREW YOU, I TRANSPORTED THEM BY LAND TROUGH FREAKING GALICIA. I use them for self-defense... sigh

[Vredlandia]

This time real Fascists! no Nazi! unless your in south Tyrol

They won't hunt minority groups, if that's what you're asking for. But they won't be very powerful for a while.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Um the Romanian ships have not arrived. They have to go through Greek waters first and they didn't have permission to enter...

Constantinopole, you mean? Which is independent? SCREW YOU, I TRANSPORTED THEM BY LAND TROUGH FREAKING GALICIA. I use them for self-defense... sigh

Have to enter my waters before you can get there.

[Valentir]

Don't worry Krys, we are still friends, I just have to keep France assured of my "loyalty." We are still friends! Mughals and China into Space!

[Schweinehund]

Constantinopole, you mean? Which is independent? SCREW YOU, I TRANSPORTED THEM BY LAND TROUGH FREAKING GALICIA. I use them for self-defense... sigh

Have to enter my waters before you can get there.

No. They went trough Sweden and then trough Poland & Galicia.

[Emilio Aguinaldo]

Um the Romanian ships have not arrived. They have to go through Greek waters first and they didn't have permission to enter...

Constantinopole, you mean? Which is independent? SCREW YOU, I TRANSPORTED THEM BY LAND TROUGH FREAKING GALICIA. I use them for self-defense... sigh

Stop the all caps.

[Schweinehund]

Constantinopole, you mean? Which is independent? SCREW YOU, I TRANSPORTED THEM BY LAND TROUGH FREAKING GALICIA. I use them for self-defense... sigh

Stop the all caps.

I am angry.

[Emilio Aguinaldo]

Stop the all caps.

I am angry.

You dud back down on empty threats. Go down swining, instead of whining.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

Stop the all caps.

I am angry.

What kind of ships are you sending?

[Schweinehund]

I am angry.

What kind of ships are you sending?

I only recieved some ships, lol. I am angry at Glitter because he always wants to screw me up; Ships can be however transported by land, even if it takes lots of time.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

What kind of ships are you sending?

I only recieved some ships, lol. I am angry at Glitter because he always wants to screw me up; Ships can be however transported by land, even if it takes lots of time.

From who you receive the ships?

Depending on the ship, you could cross without asking permission.