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Mishmahig
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Postby Mishmahig » Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:20 pm

Kryskov wrote:
Mishmahig wrote:The region is one of the most expansive and vast on the entire planet, spanning the Indonesian, Chinese, and Japanese cultures to the Metis of the Pacific Republic to the Hispanic populations of Mexico, Colombia, and Charcas. Cultural uniformity would be impossible over even a small stretch of that, and the French possessions within the region are very much of the "Pacific Culture". Similarly, I'm not sure why culture matters with regards to an economic pact.

I assume you'll clarify this to mean "focus" or some such -- in which case, France has numerous administrative regions in the area -- New Zealand, Hawaii, and Indochina -- all of which engage in a considerable degree of trade within the Pacific. Hawaii itself practically exists as a trading port, a stopover halfway across the ocean, rendering the French the essential middlemen suppliers of the trans-Pacific trade routes. Chinese administration of Socotra is incomparable to that.

As for Indochina -- the French are unwilling to give the Indochinese independence, given that the Japanese, Mughals, and Chinese fight for influence and control in the neighboring Kingdom of Siam. Independence would serve only to push the Indochinese under the control of a less-benevolent power.

What ethnicity is the ruler of France? What is his primary language and culture?


There is no ruler of France. The current Prime Minister is Breton, while the President is a Parisian, and several Ministers are Gascon/Occitan. France itself has little to no unified culture -- their identity has truly only developed since the time of Napoleon.

Kryskov wrote:I primarily mean that, no matter how developed "French" institutions are, the primary governing institution does not lie in the Pacific, or even in Asia for that matter.


Primary governing institution of Eurasia is in Moscow, which is in that vague area between Europe and Asia, while Russia has historically (and in this time line) had a focus towards European interactions.

Primary governing institutions in Colombia are split between the Caribbean and the Pacific, presumably, while the government has had minimal contact with nations on the opposite side of the Pacific. The same goes for Charcas, Mexico, and Chile. In all four cases, they've been European/American-aligned more than their counterparts across the ocean.

The Dutch have a federal structure -- their Australian and Indonesian states would certainly have a primary focus in the Pacific/Asiatic regions, and make up a majority of the land mass of the United Provinces.

In short, there's no unified trans-Pacific culture, consistent interest, or large-scale interaction among the nations that border it. The only guideline that you're using is "Does their capital border the Pacific?" If you include the Mughals in this pact--- as the Pacific Republic did --then that argument vanishes as well.

Kryskov wrote:The minds of Paris do not lie on Asia, but of metropolitan France. And this is why China cannot be in a Pacific Pact with France- it is not a Pacific power.


Minds of Paris are focused on business and the administration of their nation, which includes their Pacific holdings.

Kryskov wrote:I haven't noticed really any recent IC posts about Siam (forgive me if I'm wrong). And besides, it appears that they are in Dutch hands


They're not. They're an independent nation under competing Mughal and Japanese influence/domination.

Kryskov wrote: which makes China only more committed to pursuing de-colonization. It is evident that Europe cannot leave Asia alone.


It's actually Asiatic nations that are doing this. Europe's already come and done their colonization spree, and de-colonization's not going to happen for another ~20-70 years, at best. Besides, the only true colonial empire is (possibly) Iberia -- France and the UP have already enacted progressive autonomy and federalized structures, respectively.

Kryskov wrote:If China needs to defend the sovereignty of the people of the region, by itself, and by military force, it will do so. Consider this a warning to all European nations to stop further aggressive expansion (which includes sphereing) in East and SE Asia.


There's only one nation left in Asia that can reasonably be sphered, and that's Siam, which is being sphered between the Japanese and the Mughals. It appears as if China needs to take care of the other colonial/imperialistic Asiatic powers before warning off the Europeans.

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Mishmahig
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Postby Mishmahig » Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:21 pm

The imperial canadian dutchy wrote:Italy is good boy we leave Asia alone


*pats head*

Valentir wrote:Aww, isn't China cute, trying to defend all of Asia from those dirty Imperialist Scum so they can have the region to themselves!


Ahah.

Valentir wrote:
Emilio Aguinaldo wrote:Don't let them remind the Spanish why it's called the South CHINA Sea. Or you saying the same thing to the UP about the INDIAN Ocean.

Indian Ocean? Officially it is known as the Ceylon Ocean by the Mughal Empire.


Isn't Ceylon Dutch-owned?

Valentir wrote:So anyone want to engage in trade and other fun activities with the Mughals?


Need anything more from the French?

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Valentir
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Postby Valentir » Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:31 pm

Mishmahig wrote:
Valentir wrote:Indian Ocean? Officially it is known as the Ceylon Ocean by the Mughal Empire.


Isn't Ceylon Dutch-owned?

Valentir wrote:So anyone want to engage in trade and other fun activities with the Mughals?


Need anything more from the French?

Yes, that is why we call it the Ceylon Ocean.

Nah, I think I'm good for now.
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Emilio Aguinaldo
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Postby Emilio Aguinaldo » Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:35 pm

Valentir wrote:
Mishmahig wrote:


Isn't Ceylon Dutch-owned?



Need anything more from the French?

Yes, that is why we call it the Ceylon Ocean.

Nah, I think I'm good for now.

So you call it an Ocean owned by the Dutch? How will that sit well with the more radical of the population?
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Valentir
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Postby Valentir » Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:37 pm

Emilio Aguinaldo wrote:
Valentir wrote:Yes, that is why we call it the Ceylon Ocean.

Nah, I think I'm good for now.

So you call it an Ocean owned by the Dutch? How will that sit well with the more radical of the population?

What radicals? We have no radicals here! Silly Mexicans, go back to your burritos, soap operas, and drug cartels.

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Emilio Aguinaldo
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Postby Emilio Aguinaldo » Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:39 pm

Valentir wrote:
Emilio Aguinaldo wrote:So you call it an Ocean owned by the Dutch? How will that sit well with the more radical of the population?

What radicals? We have no radicals here! Silly Mexicans, go back to your burritos, soap operas, and drug cartels.

Your opium is showing again, Indian.
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Valentir
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Postby Valentir » Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:40 pm

Emilio Aguinaldo wrote:
Valentir wrote:What radicals? We have no radicals here! Silly Mexicans, go back to your burritos, soap operas, and drug cartels.

Your opium is showing again, Indian.

*Covers opium* Pervert, why are you looking down there? *slaps Emilio in the face and shoves tea leaves and curry powder down his throat*

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The Kingdom of Glitter
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Postby The Kingdom of Glitter » Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:43 pm

Speaking of Opium, I am assuming the Opium Wars never happened. Which means that China is even more not Western than one would expect of it in 1900. Or at least, one would assume it was so.
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Emilio Aguinaldo
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Postby Emilio Aguinaldo » Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:47 pm

The Kingdom of Glitter wrote:Speaking of Opium, I am assuming the Opium Wars never happened. Which means that China is even more not Western than one would expect of it in 1900. Or at least, one would assume it was so.

No. They didn't stagnate and built a giant wall.
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Caltarania
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Postby Caltarania » Sun Jun 29, 2014 1:20 am

Emilio Aguinaldo wrote:
Valentir wrote:Indian Ocean? Officially it is known as the Ceylon Ocean by the Mughal Empire.

Hah! You people are bowing so low for them? I expected something more from you!


Actually it is known as the Sri Lankan Sea to us.

The Kingdom of Glitter wrote:Speaking of Opium, I am assuming the Opium Wars never happened. Which means that China is even more not Western than one would expect of it in 1900. Or at least, one would assume it was so.


So... what you're saying is that that CB is still valid? :P
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Emilio Aguinaldo
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Postby Emilio Aguinaldo » Sun Jun 29, 2014 1:22 am

Caltarania wrote:
Emilio Aguinaldo wrote:Hah! You people are bowing so low for them? I expected something more from you!


Actually it is known as the Sri Lankan Sea to us.

The Kingdom of Glitter wrote:Speaking of Opium, I am assuming the Opium Wars never happened. Which means that China is even more not Western than one would expect of it in 1900. Or at least, one would assume it was so.


So... what you're saying is that that CB is still valid? :P

Well, yeah, but we have discovered that by mixing opium with tabaco it will make it smokable. Unless you buy from us then sell to them then there is no CB.
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Caltarania
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Postby Caltarania » Sun Jun 29, 2014 1:25 am

Emilio Aguinaldo wrote:
Caltarania wrote:
Actually it is known as the Sri Lankan Sea to us.



So... what you're saying is that that CB is still valid? :P

Well, yeah, but we have discovered that by mixing opium with tabaco it will make it smokable. Unless you buy from us then sell to them then there is no CB.


...You're seriously saying that the Dutch of all people can't sell drugs?

#marijuanawars1905
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Emilio Aguinaldo
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Postby Emilio Aguinaldo » Sun Jun 29, 2014 1:28 am

Caltarania wrote:
Emilio Aguinaldo wrote:Well, yeah, but we have discovered that by mixing opium with tabaco it will make it smokable. Unless you buy from us then sell to them then there is no CB.


...You're seriously saying that the Dutch of all people can't sell drugs?

#marijuanawars1905

I take that you grew tobacco in Indonesia.
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Caltarania
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Postby Caltarania » Sun Jun 29, 2014 1:29 am

Emilio Aguinaldo wrote:
Caltarania wrote:
...You're seriously saying that the Dutch of all people can't sell drugs?

#marijuanawars1905

I take that you grew tobacco in Indonesia.


But of course.
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Emilio Aguinaldo
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Postby Emilio Aguinaldo » Sun Jun 29, 2014 1:39 am

Caltarania wrote:
Emilio Aguinaldo wrote:I take that you grew tobacco in Indonesia.


But of course.

Well then, time to smuggle pot to my neighbors.
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Schweinehund
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Postby Schweinehund » Sun Jun 29, 2014 3:50 am

Who else joins the Pacific pact?
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Conchabira
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Postby Conchabira » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:13 am

Caltarania wrote:
Emilio Aguinaldo wrote:I take that you grew tobacco in Indonesia.


But of course.


No, Brazil has all the Tobacco

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Emilio Aguinaldo
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Postby Emilio Aguinaldo » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:16 am

Conchabira wrote:
Caltarania wrote:
But of course.


No, Brazil has all the Tobacco

Joint operation to remove Brazil's tobacco?
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Conchabira
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Postby Conchabira » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:29 am

Emilio Aguinaldo wrote:
Conchabira wrote:
No, Brazil has all the Tobacco

Joint operation to remove Brazil's tobacco?

Actually if the CSA is primarily cotton focused Brazil should be the worlds largest Tobacco producer.

Plus the Dutch are too busy growing spices over there to grow Tobacco.

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Emilio Aguinaldo
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Postby Emilio Aguinaldo » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:58 am

Conchabira wrote:
Emilio Aguinaldo wrote:Joint operation to remove Brazil's tobacco?

Actually if the CSA is primarily cotton focused Brazil should be the worlds largest Tobacco producer.

Plus the Dutch are too busy growing spices over there to grow Tobacco.

Eh, ai'm taking both beet sugar and cane sugar then.
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Postby The Grand Republic of Hannover » Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:41 am

Emilio Aguinaldo wrote:
The Grand Republic of Hannover wrote:
*In the battlefield. The canal is supposed to go through there :P

Great! Have a giant monument at the middle of the canal! Well, I remember why Chile sided with me: no canal.


Chile sided with you thinking that you were not going to build it but what he didn't know is that you declared war to me in order to build the canal.
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Emilio Aguinaldo
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Postby Emilio Aguinaldo » Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:54 am

The Grand Republic of Hannover wrote:
Emilio Aguinaldo wrote:Great! Have a giant monument at the middle of the canal! Well, I remember why Chile sided with me: no canal.


Chile sided with you thinking that you were not going to build it but what he didn't know is that you declared war to me in order to build the canal.

If I wanted to build the canal I would’ve accepted your proposal last year.
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Postby Rephesus » Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:56 am

Maybe I should build St. Petersburg-Rostov Canal
... Who wants to fund it? :P


Oh and did Abuja build the Transiberian rail yet?

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Postby The Grand Republic of Hannover » Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:58 am

Emilio Aguinaldo wrote:
The Grand Republic of Hannover wrote:
Chile sided with you thinking that you were not going to build it but what he didn't know is that you declared war to me in order to build the canal.

If I wanted to build the canal I would’ve accepted your proposal last year.


Which you didn't because you wanted all the canal to yourself. Don't forget to re-read that moment. I remember that you said that you could defeat us so that you weren't interested in the deal proposed by the Colombians.

Btw, Colombia moved to quarterfinals! :lol:
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Postby Emilio Aguinaldo » Sun Jun 29, 2014 7:00 am

The Grand Republic of Hannover wrote:
Emilio Aguinaldo wrote:If I wanted to build the canal I would’ve accepted your proposal last year.


Which you didn't because you wanted all the canal to yourself. Don't forget to re-read that moment. I remember that you said that you could defeat us so that you weren't interested in the deal proposed by the Colombians.

Btw, Colombia moved to quarterfinals! :lol:

Which reminds me. Ochoa vs Netherlands is tonight. Yeah, but still no want canal. I’d rather them dock at my ports and pay more expense than go through a canal. That or I’m a fucking idiot last year.
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