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The Ik Ka Ek Akai
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Postby The Ik Ka Ek Akai » Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:36 pm

Reatra wrote:
Caraani wrote:
125.000.000 in 1500 est. That was the pop. of Ming in 1500, estimated.
500.000 is known as the usual number of troops raised by the Ming when they are threatened, and these units were usually lead by 20 experienced generals.
Anyway, the greatest problem is that the Ming after Zheng He stoped being interested in colonization and begun to close their borders to every foreigner.
As such, if you would open yourself to foreigners I propose for some kind of rebellion by the people against the rulling dinasty to depose the emperor and put a isolationist on the throne.The rebellion will come with the very popular Palace assassinations and Coup D'etat that in China used to be very normal when a ruler wasn't liked.This is just to make it harder for you to open up, not because I hate you, but because it is very very very ahistorical for the Chinese to do that, or to continue the colonizations after Zheng He's fleet was burnt by some mad Emperor.


These are the changes I propose to keep it just a bit more historical.


Well... China has historically,except for the Ming, been very outgoing and such. They WANT to have all of East Asia pay tribute, they WANT to trade with faraway "barbarians". If the Ming are to be the ones to bring Chinese culture and policies back to China... Then they would do that. The only reason they looked inward was because the bureaucrats said Xheng He bankrupted the Empire. Which he did the opposite of. If say... The Enuch's had much more control, than we would have no reason to look inward. Which isn't that hard to make up. Say the Yongle Emperor REALLY wanted to take advantage of India and Africa... Just (slowly) appoint more and more Enuch's and give them more and more "titles" (They were feudal, but for some reason I doubt how that works.). Then poof, China continues to expand in trade and colonization.

Honestly, it's not that hard to imagine, at all. Much more likely than Ming owning all of Tibet and most of Inner Mongolia and stuff.


Right now, you have a colonization bonus, by the way. Also, China and Rome had trade and diplomatic exchanges. The Chinese knew the Romans as "Da Qin", meaning "Great China". The Romans, in turn, knew them as "Sinae", which is where we get the word "Sino-" to denote Chinese participation. Ming maps have been found that still detail Europe as being owned by the Roman Empire. Also, China thought the capital of Da Qin was An-tu, believed to be Antioch.

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Postby Puerto Tyranus » Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:36 pm

I'm going to bed, you guys. I'm probably be back in....14 hours? no 16 hours at best. Night!
"There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people."
-Commander William Adama
I'm Roman Catholic, so there's that. If you have any questions about what Roman Catholicism really does, I guess I can help. You should probably go to a priest to ask, but I know some things.
Total Population: 1,103,000,000
Criminals: 49,954,494
Elderly, Disabled, & Retirees: 144,083,650
Military & Reserves: 110,182,685
Students and Youth: 195,506,750
Unemployed but Able: 121,075,077
Working Class: 482,197,344
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Postby Azaflaza » Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:38 pm

The Ik Ka Ek Akai wrote:Vikings coins have been found in old village sites in Maine, though they're hundreds of miles south from the furthest known point of viking expansion.

But Loïc doesn't know that so it still counts.

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Postby Reatra » Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:39 pm

The Ik Ka Ek Akai wrote:Vikings coins have been found in old village sites in Maine, though they're hundreds of miles south from the furthest known point of viking expansion.



Wow... Cool. Viking steel was like as good as late 18th century steel. Only massive factories were able to beat it.

You really like your facts, huh?

Funny. "We'll, we've been here the whole time, those white guys must be too!"

Colony bonus because of junks holding like five times as many people and stuff as European carracks right now, right?


(I'm on my iPod, excuse any mistakes. )
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Postby The Ik Ka Ek Akai » Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:41 pm

Reatra wrote:
The Ik Ka Ek Akai wrote:Vikings coins have been found in old village sites in Maine, though they're hundreds of miles south from the furthest known point of viking expansion.



Wow... Cool. Viking steel was like as good as late 18th century steel. Only massive factories were able to beat it.

You really like your facts, huh?

Funny. "We'll, we've been here the whole time, those white guys must be too!"

Colony bonus because of junks holding like five times as many people and stuff as European carracks right now, right?


(I'm on my iPod, excuse any mistakes. )


Actually, because of the current ruling faction in your court.


Also, Roman statues have been found in Aztec ruins, and Roman ships found buried under a Brazilian beach (flags intact). The Brazilians then reburied them for whatever reason.
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Postby Reatra » Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:54 pm

Oh, we'll I'd also have a huge bonus to colonization and troop transport because of my junks... I mean Portuguese carracks can now carry about 30-50-ish passengers on top of crew(I think), junks about 300. The Zheng He fleet probably had thousands of crew members in it, and if it had thousands of passengers, then Insee no reason why Taiwan can't be colonized in a few trips. The most populated regions are near the coast anyway.
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Postby The Ik Ka Ek Akai » Mon Feb 24, 2014 12:16 am

Reatra wrote:Oh, we'll I'd also have a huge bonus to colonization and troop transport because of my junks... I mean Portuguese carracks can now carry about 30-50-ish passengers on top of crew(I think), junks about 300. The Zheng He fleet probably had thousands of crew members in it, and if it had thousands of passengers, then Insee no reason why Taiwan can't be colonized in a few trips. The most populated regions are near the coast anyway.


Taiwan indeed can be colonized right now, though the reasons for low population is not size of the ships, it's expense. It costs a lot to provide such supplies for those people until the colonies become self-sufficient. However, Taiwan is an exception. Their proximity means it is practically free to colonize them.

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Postby Reatra » Mon Feb 24, 2014 12:27 am

Main problem with the Phillipines is the angry natives... Maybe I could try to colonize some of Indonesianto trade more effectively. I mean a few small cities to keep up is nothing compared to the hundreds of thousands of men I deploy and have to pay.

So Taiwan is mostly free, anything else really, though, has too many natives to be that cheap.
If only I had something to weaken the natives in my colonies like in America...


:O

We're the aborinigals affected by European diseases?

I gotta sleep, sorry. I'll IC post soon, mainly colonizing Taiwan and stuff.
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Postby Maharo » Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:23 am

Azaflaza wrote:Britain could pull some strings with Brittany...?

Ok, what the hell is going on here? first of all: Nuv, what alliance? The only alliance I have is with Britain.
Reatra wrote:Main problem with the Phillipines is the angry natives... Maybe I could try to colonize some of Indonesia To trade more effectively. I mean a few small cities to keep up is nothing compared to the hundreds of thousands of men I deploy and have to pay.

So Taiwan is mostly free, anything else really, though, has too many natives to be that cheap.
If only I had something to weaken the natives in my colonies like in America...


:O

We're the aboriginals affected by European diseases?

I gotta sleep, sorry. I'll IC post soon, mainly colonizing Taiwan and stuff.

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Postby Puerto Tyranus » Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:57 am

Ukraines, I'm calling shenanigans on you. Teaming up against the poor Pope like that. For shame.
"There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people."
-Commander William Adama
I'm Roman Catholic, so there's that. If you have any questions about what Roman Catholicism really does, I guess I can help. You should probably go to a priest to ask, but I know some things.
Total Population: 1,103,000,000
Criminals: 49,954,494
Elderly, Disabled, & Retirees: 144,083,650
Military & Reserves: 110,182,685
Students and Youth: 195,506,750
Unemployed but Able: 121,075,077
Working Class: 482,197,344
Defcon: 3

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Postby Ukraines » Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:14 am

How am I fooling with him? I sent a virgin to be his wife, or maid. It was a gift, and the queen is in Italy going to meet the pope. (surprisingly)
Military Pop: 1,502,000 Active, 25,000,000 Reserves, 26,502,000 Total
Army #: 1,000,000 Active. 10,000,000 Reserves.
Navy #: 402,000 Active, 8,000,000 Reserves
Marine #: 100,000 Active, 7,000,000 Reserves.
RP Pop: 1,302,045,069
Ideology: COMMUNISM!
Government: Marxism-Leninism/Single-Party State
Ruler: Chairman Arya Ulyssi

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Postby Puerto Tyranus » Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:23 am

Exactly, Shenanigans, the lot of it.
"There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people."
-Commander William Adama
I'm Roman Catholic, so there's that. If you have any questions about what Roman Catholicism really does, I guess I can help. You should probably go to a priest to ask, but I know some things.
Total Population: 1,103,000,000
Criminals: 49,954,494
Elderly, Disabled, & Retirees: 144,083,650
Military & Reserves: 110,182,685
Students and Youth: 195,506,750
Unemployed but Able: 121,075,077
Working Class: 482,197,344
Defcon: 3

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Postby Ukraines » Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:26 am

xD
Military Pop: 1,502,000 Active, 25,000,000 Reserves, 26,502,000 Total
Army #: 1,000,000 Active. 10,000,000 Reserves.
Navy #: 402,000 Active, 8,000,000 Reserves
Marine #: 100,000 Active, 7,000,000 Reserves.
RP Pop: 1,302,045,069
Ideology: COMMUNISM!
Government: Marxism-Leninism/Single-Party State
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Postby Caraani » Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:42 am

Ukraines, sent you my response for the spy.
For: Things I say
Against: Things YOU say
Future writer and publisher of Fifty Shades of Empire
I support insanely high tax rates, do you?
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Postby Caraani » Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:42 am

Also, pope, I sent you a letter ;).
For: Things I say
Against: Things YOU say
Future writer and publisher of Fifty Shades of Empire
I support insanely high tax rates, do you?
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Postby Puerto Tyranus » Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:47 am

Hmmm? I'll have to look at it after I talk with the Byzantine.
"There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people."
-Commander William Adama
I'm Roman Catholic, so there's that. If you have any questions about what Roman Catholicism really does, I guess I can help. You should probably go to a priest to ask, but I know some things.
Total Population: 1,103,000,000
Criminals: 49,954,494
Elderly, Disabled, & Retirees: 144,083,650
Military & Reserves: 110,182,685
Students and Youth: 195,506,750
Unemployed but Able: 121,075,077
Working Class: 482,197,344
Defcon: 3

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Postby Ukraines » Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:52 am

We bought a spy from Athena, we will be sending this one into Morocco, (Seeing the recent peace treaty) Send him through towards Egypt. Than towards Israel to start a revolution by the jewish.
Military Pop: 1,502,000 Active, 25,000,000 Reserves, 26,502,000 Total
Army #: 1,000,000 Active. 10,000,000 Reserves.
Navy #: 402,000 Active, 8,000,000 Reserves
Marine #: 100,000 Active, 7,000,000 Reserves.
RP Pop: 1,302,045,069
Ideology: COMMUNISM!
Government: Marxism-Leninism/Single-Party State
Ruler: Chairman Arya Ulyssi

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Caraani
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Postby Caraani » Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:55 am

With one spy?Well, I mean, he is an elite, but...
This will be interesting to see... :lol:
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Future writer and publisher of Fifty Shades of Empire
I support insanely high tax rates, do you?
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Ukraines
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Postby Ukraines » Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:57 am

He will pay people. Jews are treated bad by muslims. :3, so it wouldn't take much. Their on the brink of rebellion.
Military Pop: 1,502,000 Active, 25,000,000 Reserves, 26,502,000 Total
Army #: 1,000,000 Active. 10,000,000 Reserves.
Navy #: 402,000 Active, 8,000,000 Reserves
Marine #: 100,000 Active, 7,000,000 Reserves.
RP Pop: 1,302,045,069
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Postby Caraani » Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:01 am

If everything goes according to plan, I've already got the speech that would make Turks accept any peace treaty that we impose.(with the help of the pope).
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I support insanely high tax rates, do you?
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Ukraines
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Postby Ukraines » Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:02 am

Caraani wrote:If everything goes according to plan, I've already got the speech that would make Turks accept any peace treaty that we impose.(with the help of the pope).

Message it to me. (Not on the forum)
Military Pop: 1,502,000 Active, 25,000,000 Reserves, 26,502,000 Total
Army #: 1,000,000 Active. 10,000,000 Reserves.
Navy #: 402,000 Active, 8,000,000 Reserves
Marine #: 100,000 Active, 7,000,000 Reserves.
RP Pop: 1,302,045,069
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Government: Marxism-Leninism/Single-Party State
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Puerto Tyranus
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Postby Puerto Tyranus » Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:08 am

Wait....since when were the Jews treated badly by the Muslims? I thought that was modern thing.
"There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people."
-Commander William Adama
I'm Roman Catholic, so there's that. If you have any questions about what Roman Catholicism really does, I guess I can help. You should probably go to a priest to ask, but I know some things.
Total Population: 1,103,000,000
Criminals: 49,954,494
Elderly, Disabled, & Retirees: 144,083,650
Military & Reserves: 110,182,685
Students and Youth: 195,506,750
Unemployed but Able: 121,075,077
Working Class: 482,197,344
Defcon: 3

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Postby Ukraines » Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:09 am

Jews were always treated by bad muslims, in the way Judaism was made there was 2 sons. (Or more I forget) but the Jewish founder was the loved, muslim wasn't. So they take out their anger on jews.
Military Pop: 1,502,000 Active, 25,000,000 Reserves, 26,502,000 Total
Army #: 1,000,000 Active. 10,000,000 Reserves.
Navy #: 402,000 Active, 8,000,000 Reserves
Marine #: 100,000 Active, 7,000,000 Reserves.
RP Pop: 1,302,045,069
Ideology: COMMUNISM!
Government: Marxism-Leninism/Single-Party State
Ruler: Chairman Arya Ulyssi

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Puerto Tyranus
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Postby Puerto Tyranus » Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:14 am

No....I'm pretty sure the two got along fairly well. That was how the Jews managed to spread beyond Isral, after all. They went to the corners of the world with the Muslims.
"There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people."
-Commander William Adama
I'm Roman Catholic, so there's that. If you have any questions about what Roman Catholicism really does, I guess I can help. You should probably go to a priest to ask, but I know some things.
Total Population: 1,103,000,000
Criminals: 49,954,494
Elderly, Disabled, & Retirees: 144,083,650
Military & Reserves: 110,182,685
Students and Youth: 195,506,750
Unemployed but Able: 121,075,077
Working Class: 482,197,344
Defcon: 3

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Azaflaza
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Postby Azaflaza » Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:45 am

So Catherine of Aragon will still be marrying the heir to the british throne? Even thought we are now pagans?

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