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by **The Enclave Government** » Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:19 pm

Roski wrote:
The New Greek Republic wrote:
But.. I need something to do..

I had a storyline for each of the turnouts if that helps any?

Ask NATO or Russia to hold the referendum. They can hold one in a specific region, unlike Urkaine

Enclave, you will allow them to go if they wish to go.
You do not know if it was fear that caused it, or if it was legitimate. There were parties when the Russian's arrived.

Because they dont want to be put in Gulags....

by **Ptolemais** » Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:20 pm

The Enclave Government wrote:
Only reason Crimea voted to join is because the Russian military WAS RIGHT GODDAMN THERE.

I am NOT letting Crimea or ANY part of Ukraine go.

Even without the Russian military, given a referendum they would likely join Russia. The whole Ukrainian politic is based on making it extremely difficult to hold referendums on these questions so that Crimea can't secede. They do this because Crimea is the most productive region of Ukraine. Crimea, in a straight vote, would EASILY get over 66% support to join Russia.

The Enclave Government wrote:
Do you need any ships built? Turkey has very big shipbuilding industry.

Japan's is MUCH larger

by **The New Greek Republic** » Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:21 pm

Roski wrote:
The New Greek Republic wrote:
I was going to hold it by coin toss

I'll do it myself, if you wish. Germany is still trying to maintain some control.

I'll do the average of five if you wish.

I already have it all mapped out, so I can do it.

Here are the outcomes of referendum. It will be decided by a coin toss :

1. Ukraine stays united - all heads
2. Russia gains Eastern Ukraine and Crimea - all tails
3. E. Ukraine and Crimea independent - 3 heads, 3 tails
4. Mainland Ukraine stays together and Crimea becomes apart of Russia -1 heads, 5 tails
5. Mainland Ukraine stays together and Crimea becomes independent - 5 heads, 1 tails
6. Ukraine and Crimea stay, and E.Ukraine joins Russia, 2 heads, 4 tails
7. Ukraine and Crimea stay, and E.Ukraine becomes independent. 4 heads, 2 tails

by **The Enclave Government** » Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:22 pm

The New Greek Republic wrote:
Roski wrote:
I'll do it myself, if you wish. Germany is still trying to maintain some control.

I'll do the average of five if you wish.

I already have it all mapped out, so I can do it.

Here are the outcomes of referendum. It will be decided by a coin toss :

1. Ukraine stays united - all heads
2. Russia gains Eastern Ukraine and Crimea - all tails
3. E. Ukraine and Crimea independent - 3 heads, 3 tails
4. Mainland Ukraine stays together and Crimea becomes apart of Russia -1 heads, 5 tails
5. Mainland Ukraine stays together and Crimea becomes independent - 5 heads, 1 tails
6. Ukraine and Crimea stay, and E.Ukraine joins Russia, 2 heads, 4 tails
7. Ukraine and Crimea stay, and E.Ukraine becomes independent. 4 heads, 2 tails

You JUST got them out of Sevastopal, and your considering giving Russia back Crimea?

Shame.

by **Rephesus** » Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:27 pm

Realistically an election in Ukraine held by the Ukrainian government would likely be influenced to keep the land within Ukraine and just do it as a political move to stop Russia for calling for one that they would hold.

If you want something to do, have Crimea try to rebel, or try to join the EU.

by **Republic of Vectors** » Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:28 pm

Canada is looking to buy their first aircraft carrier! Must be nuclear powered. Anyone wishing to build one for us?

by **Galter Gulcher** » Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:29 pm

Republic of Vectors wrote:Canada is looking to buy their first aircraft carrier! Must be nuclear powered. Anyone wishing to build one for us?

.........

Ill show you nuclear powered.

by **The Grand Republic of Hannover** » Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:30 pm

Republic of Vectors wrote:Canada is looking to buy their first aircraft carrier! Must be nuclear powered. Anyone wishing to build one for us?

Why don't you build it yourself with American support?

by **Roski** » Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:31 pm

Republic of Vectors wrote:Canada is looking to buy their first aircraft carrier! Must be nuclear powered. Anyone wishing to build one for us?

Of the Nations who can build one, ask USA.

by **The New Greek Republic** » Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:43 pm

After 7 tosses (one for each outcome) the outcome of the referendum is....

by **Rephesus** » Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:43 pm

Republic of Vectors wrote:Canada is looking to buy their first aircraft carrier! Must be nuclear powered. Anyone wishing to build one for us?

Canada does not need an aircraft carrier. Go fix Attawapiskat and Keystone first. Then get a half decent destroyer and frigate fleet. If China is just getting its ACs now, I can guarantee Canada does not need one. Infact, seeing as the USA is basically protecting Canada, you should be focusing on infrastructure and oil production before even thinking of your military.

by **Rephesus** » Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:43 pm

The New Greek Republic wrote:After 7 tosses (one for each outcome) the outcome of the referendum is....

5. Mainland Ukraine stays together and Crimea becomes independent - 5 heads, 1 tails

Oh my.... I highly suggest Ukraine installs a puppet government, because if they don't Russia will.

by **The Grand Republic of Hannover** » Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:44 pm

The New Greek Republic wrote:After 7 tosses (one for each outcome) the outcome of the referendum is....

5. Mainland Ukraine stays together and Crimea becomes independent - 5 heads, 1 tails

Crimea is becoming Russian then

by **Forty Twoania** » Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:53 pm

Roski wrote:Greek, that is illegal, as per Ukraine's constitution.

Ask Russia to hold it, or NATO

No it isn't it might not be a good idea but Ukraine has a right to decide its future without NATO or Russia. It doesn't need their stamp of approval but it is illeagal for Russia or NATO to hold a referendum in Ukraine without Ukraine's approval.

We discuses something similar with Spain and Catalonia. Conclusion, Spain doesn't want referendum, no referendum

If Ukraine wants referendum they get referendum

by **Forty Twoania** » Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:55 pm

The Enclave Government wrote:
Only reason Crimea voted to join is because the Russian military WAS RIGHT GODDAMN THERE.

I am NOT letting Crimea or ANY part of Ukraine go.

Is Ukraine part of Turkey?...
NOPE

by **Rephesus** » Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:55 pm

It's more of if Crimea (or any other area suing for independence) wants a referendum then Crimea gets one but it should be overseen by the international community.

by **The New Greek Republic** » Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:58 pm

I'm just doing this so I have something to RP about, Ukraine won't be losing anything. Just whole lot of fighting.

by **Forty Twoania** » Mon Mar 24, 2014 5:00 pm

Rephesus wrote:It's more of if Crimea (or any other area suing for independence) wants a referendum then Crimea gets one but it should be overseen by the international community.

The Government has to be Partially on board with the Referendum or else they declared it illegitimate and if their isnt a clear majority of separatists the international community cant do much

by **Galter Gulcher** » Mon Mar 24, 2014 5:01 pm

The New Greek Republic wrote:I'm just doing this so I have something to RP about, Ukraine won't be losing anything. Just whole lot of fighting.

So, Crimea will become independent?

Or is this more so a opening plot towards that police state you were talking about.

by **Talanzaar** » Mon Mar 24, 2014 5:03 pm

Republic of Vectors wrote:Canada is looking to buy their first aircraft carrier! Must be nuclear powered. Anyone wishing to build one for us?

wat

this is the last thing Canada needs right now . . .

by **Waztaskio** » Mon Mar 24, 2014 5:11 pm

Forty Twoania wrote:
Roski wrote:
1: German economy is falling hard, Waz agreed with this
2: Germany is only stable due to wealth, look at other nations in the Eurozone for this
3: Japan pls. At least help if you will do so. Don't pull a China on me

oh I didnt know Waz said that.

I said, his major Raw Materials imports are gone. So in turn, unless he didn't find another person to make up these losses, his economy would falter. And many people in the Berlin Area speak Russian as well as German, and it would agitate them a little about what he cut off with Russia.

by **Columbion** » Mon Mar 24, 2014 5:18 pm

Staying in a falling state like Iraq is to risky for the Kurdish people, especially with the relation that the Kurds have with Jihadists. It'd be dangerous for the Kurds to stay so.

by **Galter Gulcher** » Mon Mar 24, 2014 5:20 pm

Does Peshmerga need weapons? I mean, Turkey and all is Russia enemy.

by **Rephesus** » Mon Mar 24, 2014 5:21 pm

Columbion wrote:Staying in a falling state like Iraq is to risky for the Kurdish people, especially with the relation that the Kurds have with Jihadists. It'd be dangerous for the Kurds to stay so.

I'd recommend that the Kurds attempt to legitimize only their non-turkish claims before becoming too gung-ho about independence. Also, what kind of power projection and military strength do the Kurds have?

by **Columbion** » Mon Mar 24, 2014 5:24 pm

Rephesus wrote:
Columbion wrote:Staying in a falling state like Iraq is to risky for the Kurdish people, especially with the relation that the Kurds have with Jihadists. It'd be dangerous for the Kurds to stay so.

I'd recommend that the Kurds attempt to legitimize only their non-turkish claims before becoming too gung-ho about independence. Also, what kind of power projection and military strength do the Kurds have?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peshmerga

They have an actual military and they use it alot. Also Turkey has also granted Turkish Kurdistan autonomy, I may actually purchase the land if possible to remove an violent option. I'm only focusing on an Iraqi and Syrian offensive at the current point. Turkey and Iran are side goals which could be resolved with the purchasing of land.

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