2015 (Modern World, OOC/Signups, Open, New Thread)

[Ptolemais]

meh. Turkey has a high standard of living, so it wont hit to hard. And i'm making iNSANE amounts of money from Russians shipping out of the Black Sea.

If you go any higher than 20% you will see economic growth slow considerably. Also, Turkey does not have economic control over the Black Sea, they can only close it in times of war.

[Galter Gulcher]

But electricity prices rise. This in turn discourages manufacturing. You either have to spend tons of money subsidizing the energy to the same levels as fossil fuels or you have to wait a few years until the technology becomes more efficient and costs go down.

Renewable energy is only beneficial because it's secure and clean. There is a reason major industrial countries are resisting the change, it's not because they hate the environment.

Also damn, India just confiscated Russian assets

meh. Turkey has a high standard of living, so it wont hit to hard. And i'm making iNSANE amounts of money from Russians shipping out of the Black Sea.

No your not. I am, I am making 7 billion off tariffs.

[Hobbesistan]

to the U.N egg-heads in here, could a founding permanent member of the security council be removed through a GA resolution?

I do not believe so. Are we removing Russia?

I don't know if its possible or not, no one has obviously tried removing a perm. member of the SC before, so I don't know about the legality of it.

I can honestly say it would probably pass though.

[Roski]

meh. Turkey has a high standard of living, so it wont hit to hard. And i'm making iNSANE amounts of money from Russians shipping out of the Black Sea.

No your not. I am, I am making 7 billion off tariffs.

As is he...

[The Enclave Government]

to the U.N egg-heads in here, could a founding permanent member of the security council be removed through a GA resolution?

You could write up a resolution saying the GA can remove a permanent SC member, and if a Perm SC member vetoes it take it to The Hague, and if it rules in the favour of the resolution you immedieately vote out the nation that tried to veto the GA resolution

[Ptolemais]

I don't know if its possible or not, no one has obviously tried removing a perm. member of the SC before, so I don't know about the legality of it.

I can honestly say it would probably pass though.

Russia would veto, as is their right.

The only way to remove Russia would be to abandon the UN and create a new institution.

[Galter Gulcher]

No your not. I am, I am making 7 billion off tariffs.

As is he...

Nope, by now shippinng will be using the Baltic Sea.

[Roski]

to the U.N egg-heads in here, could a founding permanent member of the security council be removed through a GA resolution?

You could write up a resolution saying the GA can remove a permanent SC member, and if a Perm SC member vetoes it take it to The Hague, and if it rules in the favour of the resolution you immedieately vote out the nation that tried to veto the GA resolution

They do not have veto power in GA.

According to the Charter of the United Nations, the General Assembly may:

Consider and approve the United Nations budget and establish the financial assessments of Member States;
Elect the non-permanent members of the Security Council and the members of other United Nations councils and organs and, on the recommendation of the Security Council, appoint the Secretary-General;
Consider and make recommendations on the general principles of cooperation for maintaining international peace and security, including disarmament;
Discuss any question relating to international peace and security and, except where a dispute or situation is currently being discussed by the Security Council, make recommendations on it;
Discuss, with the same exception, and make recommendations on any questions within the scope of the Charter or affecting the powers and functions of any organ of the United Nations;
Initiate studies and make recommendations to promote international political cooperation, the development and codification of international law, the realization of human rights and fundamental freedoms, and international collaboration in the economic, social, humanitarian, cultural, educational and health fields;
Make recommendations for the peaceful settlement of any situation that might impair friendly relations among nations;
Consider reports from the Security Council and other United Nations organs.

[Waztaskio]

I don't know if its possible or not, no one has obviously tried removing a perm. member of the SC before, so I don't know about the legality of it.

I can honestly say it would probably pass though.

Russia would veto, as is their right.

The only way to remove Russia would be to abandon the UN and create a new institution.

Or...get then to walk outta the U.N., and vote pass it. Like they did with the Chinese when the Soviet Foreign Minister left and the passed something they hated.

[Hobbesistan]

As is he...

Nope, by now shippinng will be using the Baltic Sea.

How are you reasonably making a profit from having to divert a good chunk of your shipping a few thousand km/miles to the Baltic?

[Galter Gulcher]

Nope, by now shippinng will be using the Baltic Sea.

How are you reasonably making a profit from having to divert a good chunk of your shipping a few thousand km/miles to the Baltic?

Ask the companys, its up to them.

[The Enclave Government]

No your not. I am, I am making 7 billion off tariffs.

As is he...

50% tariff on commercial shipping

also, abotu me not being able to close the straits:

In April 1982, the *Convention was amended to allow Turkey to close the Straits at its discretion in peacetime as well as during wartime

*montreaux convention

[Roski]

As is he...

Nope, by now shippinng will be using the Baltic Sea.

You are not getting past Germany nor Denmark, thats a fucking fact.

[Ptolemais]

They do not have veto power in GA.

According to the Charter of the United Nations, the General Assembly may:

Consider and approve the United Nations budget and establish the financial assessments of Member States;
Elect the non-permanent members of the Security Council and the members of other United Nations councils and organs and, on the recommendation of the Security Council, appoint the Secretary-General;
Consider and make recommendations on the general principles of cooperation for maintaining international peace and security, including disarmament;
Discuss any question relating to international peace and security and, except where a dispute or situation is currently being discussed by the Security Council, make recommendations on it;
Discuss, with the same exception, and make recommendations on any questions within the scope of the Charter or affecting the powers and functions of any organ of the United Nations;
Initiate studies and make recommendations to promote international political cooperation, the development and codification of international law, the realization of human rights and fundamental freedoms, and international collaboration in the economic, social, humanitarian, cultural, educational and health fields;
Make recommendations for the peaceful settlement of any situation that might impair friendly relations among nations;
Consider reports from the Security Council and other United Nations organs.

Nothing there says anything about removing SC members. You would have to change the Charter to allow the GA to remove Perm SC members. Perm SC members can veto any changes to the Charter.

It's not going to happen guys, i'm sorry.

[Galter Gulcher]

Nope, by now shippinng will be using the Baltic Sea.

You are not getting past Germany nor Denmark, thats a fucking fact.

1. Your not allowed to do that.

2. Shall we revisit what happens when oil and gas gets cut off.

Thats not a "fucking fact"

[Ptolemais]

50% tariff on commercial shipping

also, abotu me not being able to close the straits:

In April 1982, the *Convention was amended to allow Turkey to close the Straits at its discretion in peacetime as well as during wartime

*montreaux convention

Nothing says you can impose tariffs. That would be illegal. You would lose that case at the ICJ.

[The Enclave Government]

How are you reasonably making a profit from having to divert a good chunk of your shipping a few thousand km/miles to the Baltic?

Ask the companys, its up to them.

Denmark can EASILY close off the Baltic to you

[Roski]

You are not getting past Germany nor Denmark, thats a fucking fact.

1. Your not allowed to do that.

2. Shall we revisit what happens when oil and gas gets cut off.

Thats not a "fucking fact"

I can do that, to get out of the Baltic Sea, you must get past Germany and Denmark

(Already decreased 75% of my dependence, I can do another 25%)

That is a fucking fact.

[The Enclave Government]

1. Your not allowed to do that.

2. Shall we revisit what happens when oil and gas gets cut off.

Thats not a "fucking fact"

I can do that, to get out of the Baltic Sea, you must get past Germany and Denmark

(Already decreased 75% of my dependence, I can do another 25%)

That is a fucking fact.

Stay strong Merkel, we must stop the Russians in the baltic before they begin!

[Galter Gulcher]

1. Your not allowed to do that.

2. Shall we revisit what happens when oil and gas gets cut off.

Thats not a "fucking fact"

I can do that, to get out of the Baltic Sea, you must get past Germany and Denmark

(Already decreased 75% of my dependence, I can do another 25%)

That is a fucking fact.

Not Germany, see for those such as yourself who aren't very familiar with basic geography.

[Roski]

I can do that, to get out of the Baltic Sea, you must get past Germany and Denmark

(Already decreased 75% of my dependence, I can do another 25%)

That is a fucking fact.

Not Germany, see for those such as yourself who aren't very familiar with basic geography.

(casually has a massive amount of land that borders the Baltic sea, a massive block between Germany and Copenhagen would not be hard in the slightest)

[The Enclave Government]

Not Germany, see for those such as yourself who aren't very familiar with basic geography.

(casually has a massive amount of land that borders the Baltic sea, a massive block between Germany and Copenhagen would not be hard in the slightest)

If you lend me access to a naval base, i can send up a few ships to help

[Alleniana]

I can do that, to get out of the Baltic Sea, you must get past Germany and Denmark

(Already decreased 75% of my dependence, I can do another 25%)

That is a fucking fact.

Not Germany, see for those such as yourself who aren't very familiar with basic geography.

I'm a bit confused, so I'll put these questions out there:
1. Does Denmark have authority, or does Sweden, or both, over the straits? Could only Denmark block them, or must Sweden agree too?
2. Anyone heard of the Kiel Canal? Runs through Germany, from Baltic to North Sea.
3. Just a little point to be made, since people are ignoring it a bit; Murmansk, Vladivostok, anybody?
4. There are bridges across from Sweden through Denmark to mainland Europe. How do they work letting ships through?

[Ptolemais]

I think you guys need to remember that water territory does not work the same as land territory. Your ability to restrict travel across water is much more limited than land.

[Galter Gulcher]

Not Germany, see for those such as yourself who aren't very familiar with basic geography.

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(casually has a massive amount of land that borders the Baltic sea, a massive block between Germany and Copenhagen would not be hard in the slightest)

When did Denmark agree to this?