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Aldelxane
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Postby Aldelxane » Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:23 pm

K.... I guess the problem is SK can't do anything against NK because NK seems to be getting better and gaining more support, and NK can't do anything about SK because new NATO invasion.

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Holy Church of Land and Sea
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Postby Holy Church of Land and Sea » Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:24 pm

Roski wrote:
Holy Church of Land and Sea wrote:1. Yes the war has not ended, but that never stopped the South Koreans from trying to re-unify and have a whole ministry dedicated to it since the 1960's.
2. South korea is not under Communist Rule, it is still controlled by the South Korean Prime Minister and President, so invalid.
3. China may not be happy with the merge, but maybe I could re-assure China we will not be influenced by the West, so they will not have anything to worry about.


1: By diplomatic measures that fail.... because of Chine
2: If the Korea's merge... one or the other.
3: China will not be happy, nor persuaded. They dislike North Korea, but the hatred of the United States and its allies will keep it actively defending North Korea

Let me just say this anyway. No matter how the merge happens, war will happen. It will happen to make a merge, or after a merge.

Scenario One:
If North Korean invades the South, America helps the South Koreans, and China helps the North causing WW3.

Scenario Two:
North Korea allows itself to be annexed, China invades Korea to get them out of Asia, WW3.

Scenario Three: SK comes to the North, causing massive riots and such, but could be supressed by the massive North Korean military, along with China. But SK will never join the North.

Scenario Four:
It stays divided, but when America can no longer assist the South, the North will invade.

Either way it goes, it all leads to war. So I don't see your point either way.

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Aldelxane
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Postby Aldelxane » Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:25 pm

Holy Church of Land and Sea wrote:
Roski wrote:
1: By diplomatic measures that fail.... because of Chine
2: If the Korea's merge... one or the other.
3: China will not be happy, nor persuaded. They dislike North Korea, but the hatred of the United States and its allies will keep it actively defending North Korea

Let me just say this anyway. No matter how the merge happens, war will happen. It will happen to make a merge, or after a merge.

Scenario One:
If North Korean invades the South, America helps the South Koreans, and China helps the North causing WW3.

Scenario Two:
North Korea allows itself to be annexed, China invades Korea to get them out of Asia, WW3.

Scenario Three: SK comes to the North, causing massive riots and such, but could be supressed by the massive North Korean military, along with China. But SK will never join the North.

Scenario Four:
It stays divided, but when America can no longer assist the South, the North will invade.

Either way it goes, it all leads to war. So I don't see your point either way.

Honestly we should just abandon the Koreas and let them mold over, as any way we do anything with them=WWIII.
Last edited by Aldelxane on Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:26 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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Holy Church of Land and Sea
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Postby Holy Church of Land and Sea » Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:27 pm

Aldelxane wrote:
Holy Church of Land and Sea wrote:Let me just say this anyway. No matter how the merge happens, war will happen. It will happen to make a merge, or after a merge.

Scenario One:
If North Korean invades the South, America helps the South Koreans, and China helps the North causing WW3.

Scenario Two:
North Korea allows itself to be annexed, China invades Korea to get them out of Asia, WW3.

Scenario Three: SK comes to the North, causing massive riots and such, but could be supressed by the massive North Korean military, along with China. But SK will never join the North.

Scenario Four:
It stays divided, but when America can no longer assist the South, the North will invade.

Either way it goes, it all leads to war. So I don't see your point either way.

Honestly we should just abandon the Koreas and let them mold over, as any way we do anything with them=WWIII.

Fine by me, I will just improve my agriculture and industry through weapons deals, and maybe bring some new North Korean companies into the country, making it the equivalent of South Korea, only under a dictatorship.

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Aldelxane
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Postby Aldelxane » Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:30 pm

Holy Church of Land and Sea wrote:
Aldelxane wrote:Honestly we should just abandon the Koreas and let them mold over, as any way we do anything with them=WWIII.

Fine by me, I will just improve my agriculture and industry through weapons deals, and maybe bring some new North Korean companies into the country, making it the equivalent of South Korea, only under a dictatorship.

Ok. I think South Korea is on a trajectory towards improving anyway, so I may as well just leave it alone.

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Ptolemais
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Founded: Apr 18, 2012
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Postby Ptolemais » Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:34 pm

Aldelxane wrote:Ok. I think I may try to keep playing South Korea... Nothing is happening in the region though...



You have Japan's full support. Care to join the war games going on near the Kuril Islands? So far we have a fleet of American, Indian, ASEAN and Japanese ships. I could get you in for the last few days.
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Holy Church of Land and Sea
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Postby Holy Church of Land and Sea » Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:34 pm

Equalium still here? I needed to respond to his message finally.

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Aldelxane
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Postby Aldelxane » Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:36 pm

Ptolemais wrote:
Aldelxane wrote:Ok. I think I may try to keep playing South Korea... Nothing is happening in the region though...



You have Japan's full support. Care to join the war games going on near the Kuril Islands? So far we have a fleet of American, Indian, ASEAN and Japanese ships. I could get you in for the last few days.

Wait what...? Explain further.
Also, I may abandon SK because having both Koreas under player control and actually doing anything seems to be a time bomb.

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Holy Church of Land and Sea
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Postby Holy Church of Land and Sea » Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:37 pm

Aldelxane wrote:
Ptolemais wrote:

You have Japan's full support. Care to join the war games going on near the Kuril Islands? So far we have a fleet of American, Indian, ASEAN and Japanese ships. I could get you in for the last few days.

Wait what...? Explain further.
Also, I may abandon SK because having both Koreas under player control and actually doing anything seems to be a time bomb.

I have a new plan to get South Korea. :twisted:

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Ptolemais
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Postby Ptolemais » Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:39 pm

Aldelxane wrote:Wait what...? Explain further.
Also, I may abandon SK because having both Koreas under player control and actually doing anything seems to be a time bomb.


We're having military exercises to better integrate our navies. As an ally, you could send some ships to participate. We're not going to war with anyone, don't worry.

If you wanted, you could just ignore NK and focus on regional or international issues. If NK does anything they are done.
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Aldelxane
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Postby Aldelxane » Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:40 pm

Ptolemais wrote:
Aldelxane wrote:Wait what...? Explain further.
Also, I may abandon SK because having both Koreas under player control and actually doing anything seems to be a time bomb.


We're having military exercises to better integrate our navies. As an ally, you could send some ships to participate. We're not going to war with anyone, don't worry.

If you wanted, you could just ignore NK and focus on regional or international issues. If NK does anything they are done.

K. What's been going on in the region?
Also, Land and Sea please get rid of the unification posts as we've scrapped it, and Ptol South Korean ships will be at the military exercises.
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The Enclave Government
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Postby The Enclave Government » Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:47 pm

TIME TO PLAN THE ANNEXATION OF ALL OF CYPRUS! YEEEAAAA
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Ptolemais
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Postby Ptolemais » Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:47 pm

Aldelxane wrote:K. What's been going on in the region?
Also, Land and Sea please get rid of the unification posts as we've scrapped it, and Ptol South Korean ships will be at the military exercises.


China and Japan have been in conflict over China's expanded ADIZ (which happens to cover some of your territory as well).
ASEAN is increasing in influence after a conflict with Vietnam.
Russia has bolstered its Pacific fleet presence and used it a while ago to pressure Japan.

That's all I can think of right now. Much more has happened internationally.
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Canada in 2014 Real World RP (http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=272910)
Great Shogunate of Japan in 1914 AH RP - The Great War (http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=287302)
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Hobbesistan
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Postby Hobbesistan » Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:47 pm

Actually, china has said repeatedly that they wouldn't mind a south controlled Korea, they are tired of the norths rhetoric as much as anyone else.
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Forty Twoania
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Postby Forty Twoania » Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:07 pm

The Enclave Government wrote:TIME TO PLAN THE ANNEXATION OF ALL OF CYPRUS! YEEEAAAA

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Galter Gulcher
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Postby Galter Gulcher » Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:11 pm

The Enclave Government wrote:TIME TO PLAN THE ANNEXATION OF ALL OF CYPRUS! YEEEAAAA


And you complain at my actions.
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Talanzaar
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Postby Talanzaar » Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:12 pm

The Enclave Government wrote:TIME TO PLAN THE ANNEXATION OF ALL OF CYPRUS! YEEEAAAA


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The New Greek Republic
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Postby The New Greek Republic » Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:13 pm

I think I'm going to build the Ukraine into a European police state. Like the United States, but for Europe.

Also, if the Russians don't leave Crimea by their deadline, I believe that this should be the final straw and that a international embargo should be placed on Russia to the point to where they're government can't fund a fight in Crimea anymore.
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The Slavic Federation of Eastern Europe
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Postby The Slavic Federation of Eastern Europe » Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:19 pm

The New Greek Republic wrote:I think I'm going to build the Ukraine into a European police state. Like the United States, but for Europe.

Also, if the Russians don't leave Crimea by their deadline, I believe that this should be the final straw and that a international embargo should be placed on Russia to the point to where they're government can't fund a fight in Crimea anymore.

Already did!

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Galter Gulcher
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Postby Galter Gulcher » Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:25 pm

The New Greek Republic wrote:I think I'm going to build the Ukraine into a European police state. Like the United States, but for Europe.

Also, if the Russians don't leave Crimea by their deadline, I believe that this should be the final straw and that a international embargo should be placed on Russia to the point to where they're government can't fund a fight in Crimea anymore.


96% of the peninsula supports Russia, how exactly do you plan to force Russia out?

Also, if you kick us out your breaking the 2010 Kharkiv Pact.
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The Slavic Federation of Eastern Europe
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Postby The Slavic Federation of Eastern Europe » Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:28 pm

Galter Gulcher wrote:
The New Greek Republic wrote:I think I'm going to build the Ukraine into a European police state. Like the United States, but for Europe.

Also, if the Russians don't leave Crimea by their deadline, I believe that this should be the final straw and that a international embargo should be placed on Russia to the point to where they're government can't fund a fight in Crimea anymore.


96% of the peninsula supports Russia, how exactly do you plan to force Russia out?

Well you are not aloud to be there, so technically that is why you shouldn't be there. Otherwise your basically threatening Ukraine's sovereignty.

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Galter Gulcher
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Postby Galter Gulcher » Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:29 pm

The Slavic Federation of Eastern Europe wrote:
Galter Gulcher wrote:
96% of the peninsula supports Russia, how exactly do you plan to force Russia out?

Well you are not aloud to be there, so technically that is why you shouldn't be there. Otherwise your basically threatening Ukraine's sovereignty.


That 96% obviously does not think so.
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The New Greek Republic
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Postby The New Greek Republic » Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:29 pm

Galter Gulcher wrote:
The New Greek Republic wrote:I think I'm going to build the Ukraine into a European police state. Like the United States, but for Europe.

Also, if the Russians don't leave Crimea by their deadline, I believe that this should be the final straw and that a international embargo should be placed on Russia to the point to where they're government can't fund a fight in Crimea anymore.


96% of the peninsula supports Russia, how exactly do you plan to force Russia out?


It's Ukrainian territory. Not Russian.

Plus, by the sounds of what Russia has been doing, I'm sure plenty would lose some support.
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The Enclave Government
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Postby The Enclave Government » Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:30 pm

I'm joking, jesus.

Plus Turkey already went away from Cyprus qq
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Aldelxane
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Postby Aldelxane » Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:30 pm

Galter Gulcher wrote:
The New Greek Republic wrote:I think I'm going to build the Ukraine into a European police state. Like the United States, but for Europe.

Also, if the Russians don't leave Crimea by their deadline, I believe that this should be the final straw and that a international embargo should be placed on Russia to the point to where they're government can't fund a fight in Crimea anymore.


96% of the peninsula supports Russia, how exactly do you plan to force Russia out?

Also, if you kick us out your breaking the 2010 Kharkiv Pact.

As I pointed out last time you claimed this, no population has 96% in agreement to do anything drastic.

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