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Galter Gulcher
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Postby Galter Gulcher » Sat Apr 12, 2014 2:51 pm

Hobbesistan wrote:
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Supopsedly, but I doubt any of them are nuclear physicists.


Arming a nuclear weapon doesn't take a nuclear physicist.

Its designed so that pilots can do it in flight, it only automates the process in a ICBM.



But I am saying, its not like there is a button witch says PRESS TO ARM
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The Enclave Government
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Postby The Enclave Government » Sat Apr 12, 2014 2:52 pm

Galter Gulcher wrote:
Hobbesistan wrote:
Arming a nuclear weapon doesn't take a nuclear physicist.

Its designed so that pilots can do it in flight, it only automates the process in a ICBM.



But I am saying, its not like there is a button witch says PRESS TO ARM


I say the OPs RP those Siberian terrorists.
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The Grand Republic of Hannover
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Founded: Jan 26, 2012
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Postby The Grand Republic of Hannover » Sat Apr 12, 2014 2:54 pm

Galter Gulcher wrote:
Hobbesistan wrote:
Arming a nuclear weapon doesn't take a nuclear physicist.

Its designed so that pilots can do it in flight, it only automates the process in a ICBM.



But I am saying, its not like there is a button witch says PRESS TO ARM


Granted, it is not going to be clear like water. But those individuals are terrorists who specifically trained for months (I am guessing) for this specific "mission". They know what they are doing.

EDIT: Let me guess, you are going to say: "Ha ha. Your understanding of nuclear silos is... for lack of a better word... cute.", right? :p
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Waztaskio
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Founded: Jun 09, 2013
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Postby Waztaskio » Sat Apr 12, 2014 2:56 pm

The Grand Republic of Hannover wrote:
Galter Gulcher wrote:

But I am saying, its not like there is a button witch says PRESS TO ARM


Granted, it is not going to be clear like water. But those individuals are terrorists who specifically trained for months (I am guessing) for this specific "mission". They know what they are doing.

And besides, they would certainly have been training for this since Russian has been going in a downward spiral which was months ago.

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Galter Gulcher
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Founded: Sep 21, 2013
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Postby Galter Gulcher » Sat Apr 12, 2014 2:57 pm

Waztaskio wrote:
The Grand Republic of Hannover wrote:
Granted, it is not going to be clear like water. But those individuals are terrorists who specifically trained for months (I am guessing) for this specific "mission". They know what they are doing.

And besides, they would certainly have been training for this since Russian has been going in a downward spiral which was months ago.


Downward spiral? You guys are making it to look like some sort of Depression, I lost 100 Billion at most, half of what was lost in 09'.
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The Enclave Government
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Postby The Enclave Government » Sat Apr 12, 2014 2:59 pm

Galter Gulcher wrote:
Waztaskio wrote:And besides, they would certainly have been training for this since Russian has been going in a downward spiral which was months ago.


Downward spiral? You guys are making it to look like some sort of Depression, I lost 100 Billion at most, half of what was lost in 09'.


Not lost.

Losing.

You probobally have close to 75% less investment then before. Gazprom is silently whimpering to be euthanised.
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Galter Gulcher
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Founded: Sep 21, 2013
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Postby Galter Gulcher » Sat Apr 12, 2014 3:00 pm

The Enclave Government wrote:
Galter Gulcher wrote:
Downward spiral? You guys are making it to look like some sort of Depression, I lost 100 Billion at most, half of what was lost in 09'.


Not lost.

Losing.

You probobally have close to 75% less investment then before. Gazprom is silently whimpering to be euthanised.



Hardly, it lost 3 trade partners, whom are now engulfed in riots due to a lack of gas.
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The Enclave Government
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Founded: Jan 24, 2014
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Postby The Enclave Government » Sat Apr 12, 2014 3:04 pm

Galter Gulcher wrote:
The Enclave Government wrote:
Not lost.

Losing.

You probobally have close to 75% less investment then before. Gazprom is silently whimpering to be euthanised.



Hardly, it lost 3 trade partners, whom are now engulfed in riots due to a lack of gas.


...

Im not argueing this again.
Ifreann wrote:Natural law is what people call it when they want to believe that their personal views are actually the deep truth of the universe.

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Rephesus
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Founded: Aug 16, 2013
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Postby Rephesus » Sat Apr 12, 2014 3:04 pm

Galter Gulcher wrote:
The Enclave Government wrote:
Not lost.

Losing.

You probobally have close to 75% less investment then before. Gazprom is silently whimpering to be euthanised.



Hardly, it lost 3 trade partners, whom are now engulfed in riots due to a lack of gas.


Go back and read the last 200 pages. About 180 of them are multiple players explaining basic economics to you and helping you understand the fact that the Russian economy is crashing. We've had this discussion numerous times. Eastern Europe and Russia are near depression, West Europe and Central Asia are in recession.

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The Enclave Government
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Founded: Jan 24, 2014
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Postby The Enclave Government » Sat Apr 12, 2014 3:06 pm

Rephesus wrote:
Galter Gulcher wrote:

Hardly, it lost 3 trade partners, whom are now engulfed in riots due to a lack of gas.


Go back and read the last 200 pages. About 180 of them are multiple players explaining basic economics to you and helping you understand the fact that the Russian economy is crashing. We've had this discussion numerous times. Eastern Europe and Russia are near depression, West Europe and Central Asia are in recession.


Also, NATO CAN FKING ISSUE EMBARGOES. THEY DID IT TO YUGOSLAVIA IN 1999. GET IT THROUGH YOUR DAMN HEAD.
Ifreann wrote:Natural law is what people call it when they want to believe that their personal views are actually the deep truth of the universe.

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Hobbesistan
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Founded: Jul 01, 2013
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Postby Hobbesistan » Sat Apr 12, 2014 3:10 pm

The Enclave Government wrote:
Galter Gulcher wrote:

But I am saying, its not like there is a button witch says PRESS TO ARM


I say the OPs RP those Siberian terrorists.


I am a op.
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The Enclave Government
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Postby The Enclave Government » Sat Apr 12, 2014 3:11 pm

Hobbesistan wrote:
The Enclave Government wrote:
I say the OPs RP those Siberian terrorists.


I am a op.


Thought you quit the RP e.e
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Roski
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Posts: 15601
Founded: Nov 18, 2013
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Postby Roski » Sat Apr 12, 2014 3:12 pm

The Enclave Government wrote:
Hobbesistan wrote:
I am a op.


Thought you quit the RP e.e


He gave up America, not quit.
I'm some 17 year old psuedo-libertarian who leans to the left in social terms, is fiercly right economically, and centrist in foriegn policy. Unapologetically Pro-American, Pro-NATO, even if we do fuck up (a lot). If you can find real sources that disagree with me I will change my opinion. Call me IHOP cause I'm always flipping.

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The Grand Republic of Hannover
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Founded: Jan 26, 2012
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Postby The Grand Republic of Hannover » Sat Apr 12, 2014 3:15 pm

Rephesus wrote:
Galter Gulcher wrote:

Hardly, it lost 3 trade partners, whom are now engulfed in riots due to a lack of gas.


Go back and read the last 200 pages. About 180 of them are multiple players explaining basic economics to you and helping you understand the fact that the Russian economy is crashing. We've had this discussion numerous times. Eastern Europe and Russia are near depression, West Europe and Central Asia are in recession.


At this point, I think we need a ruling from the OP/Co-OP's in which they specifically say "Russia, your economy is in a deep recession". There. No explanations, nothing. If the player argues back, just ignore. Ruling is ruling. The law is the law.

But, of course, for the goal of "keeping the RP active", no ruling will come
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The Enclave Government
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Postby The Enclave Government » Sat Apr 12, 2014 3:17 pm

The Grand Republic of Hannover wrote:
Rephesus wrote:
Go back and read the last 200 pages. About 180 of them are multiple players explaining basic economics to you and helping you understand the fact that the Russian economy is crashing. We've had this discussion numerous times. Eastern Europe and Russia are near depression, West Europe and Central Asia are in recession.


At this point, I think we need a ruling from the OP/Co-OP's in which they specifically say "Russia, your economy is in a deep recession". There. No explanations, nothing. If the player argues back, just ignore. Ruling is ruling. The law is the law.

But, of course, for the goal of "keeping the RP active", no ruling will come



Can i kiss you, you smart person.
Ifreann wrote:Natural law is what people call it when they want to believe that their personal views are actually the deep truth of the universe.

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Galter Gulcher
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Founded: Sep 21, 2013
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Postby Galter Gulcher » Sat Apr 12, 2014 3:18 pm

The Enclave Government wrote:
Rephesus wrote:
Go back and read the last 200 pages. About 180 of them are multiple players explaining basic economics to you and helping you understand the fact that the Russian economy is crashing. We've had this discussion numerous times. Eastern Europe and Russia are near depression, West Europe and Central Asia are in recession.


Also, NATO CAN FKING ISSUE EMBARGOES. THEY DID IT TO YUGOSLAVIA IN 1999. GET IT THROUGH YOUR DAMN HEAD.



But how could it have passed, the Baltic States wouldnt have supported it, they would loose 100% of there Natural Gas and Oil, realistically Poland wouldnt support it considering how much trade they have with Russia, Slovakia wouldn't support it because they would loose 100% of there Natural Gas and most of there Oil,Bulgaria wouldn't support it because they would loose much of there trade and 97% of there Energy, Hungary wouldnt support it because they joined CIS and have so much trade with Russia including almost 90% of there energy, Czechs wouldnt support it considering how much trade they would loose along with 75% of there energy, why would Turkey support it as they would loose nearly 70% of there energy I don't know. Spain wouldnt support it and as a result neither would Portugal. Netherlands I doubt would support it, they would loose quite a bit of trade, France would also loose out on a expensive deal on one last Mistral class and 25% of there energy.
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The Grand Republic of Hannover
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Founded: Jan 26, 2012
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Postby The Grand Republic of Hannover » Sat Apr 12, 2014 3:19 pm

The Enclave Government wrote:
The Grand Republic of Hannover wrote:
At this point, I think we need a ruling from the OP/Co-OP's in which they specifically say "Russia, your economy is in a deep recession". There. No explanations, nothing. If the player argues back, just ignore. Ruling is ruling. The law is the law.

But, of course, for the goal of "keeping the RP active", no ruling will come



Can i kiss you, you smart person.


:( Wow, that sarcasm. Sorry for pointing out the obvious :(
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The New Greek Republic
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Postby The New Greek Republic » Sat Apr 12, 2014 3:20 pm

Just a question, how was my first post as France?
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Galter Gulcher
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Postby Galter Gulcher » Sat Apr 12, 2014 3:20 pm

Rephesus wrote:
Galter Gulcher wrote:

Hardly, it lost 3 trade partners, whom are now engulfed in riots due to a lack of gas.


Go back and read the last 200 pages. About 180 of them are multiple players explaining basic economics to you and helping you understand the fact that the Russian economy is crashing. We've had this discussion numerous times. Eastern Europe and Russia are near depression, West Europe and Central Asia are in recession.


I have a fine understanding of economics, and I know Europe wont want to loose one of its biggest trading partners.
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Screw the NSA.
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Hungary people need to just eat some endangered animals.
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Roski
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Postby Roski » Sat Apr 12, 2014 3:22 pm

Galter Gulcher wrote:
The Enclave Government wrote:
Also, NATO CAN FKING ISSUE EMBARGOES. THEY DID IT TO YUGOSLAVIA IN 1999. GET IT THROUGH YOUR DAMN HEAD.



But how could it have passed, the Baltic States wouldnt have supported it, they would loose 100% of there Natural Gas and Oil, realistically Poland wouldnt support it considering how much trade they have with Russia, Slovakia wouldn't support it because they would loose 100% of there Natural Gas and most of there Oil,Bulgaria wouldn't support it because they would loose much of there trade and 97% of there Energy, Hungary wouldnt support it because they joined CIS and have so much trade with Russia including almost 90% of there energy, Czechs wouldnt support it considering how much trade they would loose along with 75% of there energy, why would Turkey support it as they would loose nearly 70% of there energy I don't know. Spain wouldnt support it and as a result neither would Portugal. Netherlands I doubt would support it, they would loose quite a bit of trade, France would also loose out on a expensive deal on one last Mistral class and 25% of there energy.


NATO does not require such unanimous vote, or any vote. Poland, Germany, Turkey, and the US are onboard, so it passes.
I'm some 17 year old psuedo-libertarian who leans to the left in social terms, is fiercly right economically, and centrist in foriegn policy. Unapologetically Pro-American, Pro-NATO, even if we do fuck up (a lot). If you can find real sources that disagree with me I will change my opinion. Call me IHOP cause I'm always flipping.

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Galter Gulcher
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Founded: Sep 21, 2013
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Postby Galter Gulcher » Sat Apr 12, 2014 3:23 pm

Roski wrote:
Galter Gulcher wrote:

But how could it have passed, the Baltic States wouldnt have supported it, they would loose 100% of there Natural Gas and Oil, realistically Poland wouldnt support it considering how much trade they have with Russia, Slovakia wouldn't support it because they would loose 100% of there Natural Gas and most of there Oil,Bulgaria wouldn't support it because they would loose much of there trade and 97% of there Energy, Hungary wouldnt support it because they joined CIS and have so much trade with Russia including almost 90% of there energy, Czechs wouldnt support it considering how much trade they would loose along with 75% of there energy, why would Turkey support it as they would loose nearly 70% of there energy I don't know. Spain wouldnt support it and as a result neither would Portugal. Netherlands I doubt would support it, they would loose quite a bit of trade, France would also loose out on a expensive deal on one last Mistral class and 25% of there energy.


NATO does not require such unanimous vote, or any vote. Poland, Germany, Turkey, and the US are onboard, so it passes.



Even if a majority disagree?
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The New Lowlands
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Postby The New Lowlands » Sat Apr 12, 2014 3:23 pm

Galter Gulcher wrote:
Rephesus wrote:
Go back and read the last 200 pages. About 180 of them are multiple players explaining basic economics to you and helping you understand the fact that the Russian economy is crashing. We've had this discussion numerous times. Eastern Europe and Russia are near depression, West Europe and Central Asia are in recession.


I have a fine understanding of economics, and I know Europe wont want to loose one of its biggest trading partners.

Priorities ATM:
1. beat russia
2. trade

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Waztaskio
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Postby Waztaskio » Sat Apr 12, 2014 3:23 pm

The Grand Republic of Hannover wrote:
Rephesus wrote:
Go back and read the last 200 pages. About 180 of them are multiple players explaining basic economics to you and helping you understand the fact that the Russian economy is crashing. We've had this discussion numerous times. Eastern Europe and Russia are near depression, West Europe and Central Asia are in recession.


At this point, I think we need a ruling from the OP/Co-OP's in which they specifically say "Russia, your economy is in a deep recession". There. No explanations, nothing. If the player argues back, just ignore. Ruling is ruling. The law is the law.

But, of course, for the goal of "keeping the RP active", no ruling will come

I gave a ruling on this LONG ago. And the ruling was basically: When it first started, they lost about 52 Billion, and more would be lost later. Onto which GG, put in some new plans, but that still doesn't fix more people cutting of trade with him after, which I thought he would realize he is in depression.

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Galter Gulcher
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Founded: Sep 21, 2013
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Postby Galter Gulcher » Sat Apr 12, 2014 3:24 pm

Waztaskio wrote:
The Grand Republic of Hannover wrote:
At this point, I think we need a ruling from the OP/Co-OP's in which they specifically say "Russia, your economy is in a deep recession". There. No explanations, nothing. If the player argues back, just ignore. Ruling is ruling. The law is the law.

But, of course, for the goal of "keeping the RP active", no ruling will come

I gave a ruling on this LONG ago. And the ruling was basically: When it first started, they lost about 52 Billion, and more would be lost later. Onto which GG, put in some new plans, but that still doesn't fix more people cutting of trade with him after, which I thought he would realize he is in depression.



But I am arguing that its unrealistic that I could be in a depression and they not.
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(-_Q) If you support Capitalism put this in your Signature.
Screw the NSA.
I support gay marriage.
I am against Gay attitudes towards pretty much anything.
Hungary people need to just eat some endangered animals.
Mallorea and Riva should be awarded for their actions.

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The Enclave Government
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Founded: Jan 24, 2014
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Postby The Enclave Government » Sat Apr 12, 2014 3:25 pm

Galter Gulcher wrote:
Waztaskio wrote:I gave a ruling on this LONG ago. And the ruling was basically: When it first started, they lost about 52 Billion, and more would be lost later. Onto which GG, put in some new plans, but that still doesn't fix more people cutting of trade with him after, which I thought he would realize he is in depression.



But I am arguing that its unrealistic that I could be in a depression and they not.


ASEAN,North Africa, and the Middle East still exist. THey are selling to us.
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