Traveller's Café 2: Discussion, tea, brainstorming & advice

[Agritum]

Admittedly, I should watch Frozen and try to put Arendelle in the framework of the 30 Year War against Cinderella's Austria.

Agritum, what are you trying to accomplish? Elsa would be an old hag by the end of it.

I'm trying to insert critique of Christianity and religious sectarianism into your Disney, Pret.

[Lubyak]

Admittedly, I should watch Frozen and try to put Arendelle in the framework of the 30 Year War against Cinderella's Austria.

I am intrigued by this Thirty Years War Disney idea. I wrote my undergrad dissertation on the early modern history of the Habsburgs, and the Thirty Years War is a special interest of mine.

[Agritum]

Admittedly, I should watch Frozen and try to put Arendelle in the framework of the 30 Year War against Cinderella's Austria.

I am intrigued by this Thirty Years War Disney idea. I wrote my undergrad dissertation on the early modern history of the Habsburgs, and the Thirty Years War is a special interest of mine.

France exists in the Disney canon, thanks to Beauty and The Beast and Hunchback of Notre Dame.

Can't say the same about Germany, Bohemia, the Netherlands and other large chunks of Europe, unfortunately.

[Lubyak]

I am intrigued by this Thirty Years War Disney idea. I wrote my undergrad dissertation on the early modern history of the Habsburgs, and the Thirty Years War is a special interest of mine.

France exists in the Disney canon, thanks to Beauty and The Beast and Hunchback of Notre Dame.

Can't say the same about Germany, Bohemia, the Netherlands and other large chunks of Europe, unfortunately.

I believe Rapunzel is set in whatever the Disney equivalent of Germany is. They just don't explicitly call it that.

[Constaniana]

Agritum, what are you trying to accomplish? Elsa would be an old hag by the end of it.

I'm trying to insert critique of Christianity and religious sectarianism into your Disney, Pret.

Boooo.

I am intrigued by this Thirty Years War Disney idea. I wrote my undergrad dissertation on the early modern history of the Habsburgs, and the Thirty Years War is a special interest of mine.

France exists in the Disney canon, thanks to Beauty and The Beast and Hunchback of Notre Dame.

Can't say the same about Germany, Bohemia, the Netherlands and other large chunks of Europe, unfortunately.

Well, Frozen has three ambassador characters who the credits say are French, Spanish and Irish, so those parts exist, at least. I've heard talk that the Southern Isles is Denmark, where The Little Mermaid is also theorized to be set.

[Agritum]

I'm trying to insert critique of Christianity and religious sectarianism into your Disney, Pret.

Boooo.

France exists in the Disney canon, thanks to Beauty and The Beast and Hunchback of Notre Dame.

Can't say the same about Germany, Bohemia, the Netherlands and other large chunks of Europe, unfortunately.

Well, Frozen has three ambassador characters who the credits say are French, Spanish and Irish, so those parts exist, at least. I've heard talk that the Southern Isles is Denmark, where The Little Mermaid is also theorized to be set.

Indeed.

Regarding the British isles, England is confirmed to exist, with the legend of King Arthur being real. Merida's kingdom is supposed to be Scotland.

Regarding the Middle East, well, there's Agrabah, which is apparently either in Arabia or in Modern Iraq. And the black kingdom from the Princess and The Frog, which I guess is something like Ethiopia.

Regarding the far east, China is confirmed to exist, along with the Mongol Hordes. So does India, where animals can actually talk with humans. No news about Japan, unfortunately.

[Garwall]

Cool. I'm thinking about quantifying it a bit more; giving every nation an industrial rating and using that to determine the ability to field certain army sizes, etc.

You could try looking into the Youngstown variant of Diplomacy, it includes the rest of the world and the colonial empires, so it might be worth checking out.

I might just do that. My goal isn't to create an exact carbon copy of a Diplomacy boardgame, but rather to replicate the feel of backstabbing, tangling alliances and realpolitik's influence on the dynamics of the European politics.

[Agritum]

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/W ... matedCanon

Someone apparently preceded us.

[Lubyak]

You could try looking into the Youngstown variant of Diplomacy, it includes the rest of the world and the colonial empires, so it might be worth checking out.

I might just do that. My goal isn't to create an exact carbon copy of a Diplomacy boardgame, but rather to replicate the feel of backstabbing, tangling alliances and realpolitik's influence on the dynamics of the European politics.

In all honesty, the 'negotiation followed by simultaneous turns' mechanic is probably the best way to do that. Beyond that, you could probably put on some extra flavouring to alter the balance of power between individual players, or even start adding in randomness, I feel like as long as you keep the simultaneous turns yo can keep a lot of the entangling alliances/realpolitik going.

[Garwall]

I might just do that. My goal isn't to create an exact carbon copy of a Diplomacy boardgame, but rather to replicate the feel of backstabbing, tangling alliances and realpolitik's influence on the dynamics of the European politics.

In all honesty, the 'negotiation followed by simultaneous turns' mechanic is probably the best way to do that. Beyond that, you could probably put on some extra flavouring to alter the balance of power between individual players, or even start adding in randomness, I feel like as long as you keep the simultaneous turns yo can keep a lot of the entangling alliances/realpolitik going.

Yeah, that's probably the best way of going about it, I agree.

[Zeinbrad]

Hmm?

No lolly-gaggin'.

I don't think it would be successful in the hands of just anyone.

Well I know someone that could handle it Rup.

[Rupudska]

How successful do you think a Valkyria Chronicles RP would be?

Just a thought from all this talk about mecha.

By sheer coincidence, I have recently started playing ValChron II and III by means of emulator, and now love the series.

I would make such an RP, but I'm unsure what year it would be in. Also kinda short on time.

At what point technologically would a Valkyrur stop being tactically OP as fuck? 1970s?

[Cylarn]

If anyone is interested in this interest thread...

[Zeinbrad]

How successful do you think a Valkyria Chronicles RP would be?

Just a thought from all this talk about mecha.

By sheer coincidence, I have recently started playing ValChron II and III by means of emulator, and now love the series.

I would make such an RP, but I'm unsure what year it would be in. Also kinda short on time.

At what point technologically would a Valkyrur stop being tactically OP as fuck? 1970s?

You could always place it during the war before the first game.

[Agritum]

How successful do you think a Valkyria Chronicles RP would be?

Just a thought from all this talk about mecha.

By sheer coincidence, I have recently started playing ValChron II and III by means of emulator, and now love the series.

I would make such an RP, but I'm unsure what year it would be in. Also kinda short on time.

At what point technologically would a Valkyrur stop being tactically OP as fuck? 1970s?

Ah, VC. Good game.

[Rupudska]

By sheer coincidence, I have recently started playing ValChron II and III by means of emulator, and now love the series.

I would make such an RP, but I'm unsure what year it would be in. Also kinda short on time.

At what point technologically would a Valkyrur stop being tactically OP as fuck? 1970s?

You could always place it during the war before the first game.

I've never played the first and have yet to beat the two that I have.

[Zeinbrad]

You could always place it during the war before the first game.

I've never played the first and have yet to beat the two that I have.

The first, the Federation and Ebul Empire had a war, and I think the ebul empire won.

It's be a long time.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

How successful do you think a Valkyria Chronicles RP would be?

Just a thought from all this talk about mecha.

By sheer coincidence, I have recently started playing ValChron II and III by means of emulator, and now love the series.

I would make such an RP, but I'm unsure what year it would be in. Also kinda short on time.

At what point technologically would a Valkyrur stop being tactically OP as fuck? 1970s?

You could just not involve Valkyrurs. It's not like they're that common. If it is still an issue, then include an America expy to offset the OP-ness, and also include Japan expy for the lulz.

[Rupudska]

You could just not involve Valkyrurs. It's not like they're that common. If it is still an issue, then include an America expy to offset the OP-ness, and also include Japan expy for the lulz.

Ehh, no to the first. I could make a Freedomland expy, but I'd have to do extra worldbuilding.

And SEGA accidentally merged VC!Japan into Europa somehow.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

You could just not involve Valkyrurs. It's not like they're that common. If it is still an issue, then include an America expy to offset the OP-ness, and also include Japan expy for the lulz.

Ehh, no to the first. I could make a Freedomland expy, but I'd have to do extra world building.

All worth the cost. Empire and/or Federation bombs Freedomland harbor, Freedomland and Wutai allies declare war.

And SEGA accidentally merged VC!Japan into Europa somehow.

How'd they manage that?

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I have have the greatest stupid idea ever: make an RP where WWII is ghetto as hell. I got the idea when I was thinking about the Manhattan Project and I suddenly envisioned a picture of Little Boy and Fatman with the caption,"Raised in the projects."

[Rupudska]

All worth the cost. Empire and/or Federation bombs Freedomland harbor, Freedomland and Wutai allies declare war.

I suppose.

And SEGA accidentally merged VC!Japan into Europa somehow.

How'd they manage that?

Okay I was wrong, they actually >implied VC!Japan's existence.

[Gvozdevsk]

I finally have time to RP, yet there's nothing I find too terribly interesting.

[Zeinbrad]

I finally have time to RP, yet there's nothing I find too terribly interesting.

Look at one of my ideas and tell me what you think.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

All worth the cost. Empire and/or Federation bombs Freedomland harbor, Freedomland and Wutai allies declare war.

I suppose.

Notice that it's pretty much a carbon copy of the attack on Pearl Harbor, except Japan's on our side because coolness.

[Zeinbrad]

Ehh, no to the first. I could make a Freedomland expy, but I'd have to do extra world building.

All worth the cost. Empire and/or Federation bombs Freedomland harbor, Freedomland and Wutai allies declare war.

And SEGA accidentally merged VC!Japan into Europa somehow.

How'd they manage that?

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I have have the greatest stupid idea ever: make an RP where WWII is ghetto as hell. I got the idea when I was thinking about the Manhattan Project and I suddenly envisioned a picture of Little Boy and Fatman with the caption,"Raised in the projects."

I just noticed your sig.

Do not know what to feel about that......