Traveller's Café 2: Discussion, tea, brainstorming & advice

[Fraire]

I'm glad YOU listen. I'm glad you care. For nobody rhyming, I can not bear.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

Let's stop.

[Fraire]

Let's stop.

You want me to stop? What are you, a cop?

[Alleniana]

Let's stop.

You want me to stop? What are you, a cop?

Yes he is, he has power here
To many RPers he is dear
So stop rhyming or him you'll fear
Your words you must most wisely steer

[Fraire]

Oh, man. What have I done?
I swear my rhyming is officially done.

[Alleniana]

Oh, man. What have I done?
I swear my rhyming is officially done.

That is good,
The rhyme is dead
Now you should
Hear no verse said

[Fraire]

hypocrite

[Alleniana]

hypocrite

Why is this said, I do not type in verse, do I?
Hypocrite you say, please explain then why

[Nightkill the Emperor]

No, genuinely, let's stop.

Fraire, I'll be perfectly blunt with you. Mature. Your current attitude of poor spelling, acting "mad and manic" and generally trying to make yourself the centre of attention is not very appealing. It's a trend throughout your whole posting history in P2TM and A&F. For your own sake and I say this as personal and Mentor advice, stop and grow up beyond that.

[Seljuq Kyiv]

In 1824, the Ottoman Empire crushes the Greek War of Independence, setting up ripples through European, — and soon, world — history.

For its help in the war, Egypt gains Morea and Crete but not Syria. Wins the First Egyptian-Ottoman War, but stops at Konya after British gunboat diplomacy. Thousands of Greek slaves are deported to Egypt and replaced with Arab settlers. Syria chafes under Egyptian modernisation.

Egypt forced to give up Syria and the Hejaz in Second Egyptian-Ottoman War after European threat of military intervention. Keeps Morea, Crete, gains Cyprus and several freedoms, including the ability to contract foreign loans. France, which initially intervened on Egypt's behalf militarily for Greece and Syrian Catholics, gets a dose of British gunboat diplomacy, backing down and compelled by treaty never to intervene in Egyptian affairs again.

The Suez Canal is not constructed. Egyptian floating debt butterflied, replaced by foreign loan of several million in modernisation costs. Britain remains apprehensive.

***

Now, are there any problems with this hypothesis? Where do I go from here? What are the possible ramifications? Without the Suez Canal, how would the Scramble for Africa have turned out? Is there enough squeeze room for a French-backed Shogun victory in the Boshin War? How about a Belgian invasion of the Philippines during the Carlist Revolutions?

More importantly, how do I get to the WWI-era endgame where a British-German-Ottoman Triple Alliance faces a French-Russian-Italian Entente? Would it have been the Ottomans or Austria on Germany's side? Would Italy have committed to this new Entente?

What about a Dutch Benelux?

And more importantly, any budding mapmakers?

[Alleniana]

In 1824, the Ottoman Empire crushes the Greek War of Independence, setting up ripples through European, — and soon, world — history.

For its help in the war, Egypt gains Morea and Crete but not Syria. Wins the First Egyptian-Ottoman War, but stops at Konya after British gunboat diplomacy. Thousands of Greek slaves are deported to Egypt and replaced with Arab settlers. Syria chafes under Egyptian modernisation.

Egypt forced to give up Syria and the Hejaz in Second Egyptian-Ottoman War after European threat of military intervention. Keeps Morea, Crete, gains Cyprus and several freedoms, including the ability to contract foreign loans. France, which initially intervened on Egypt's behalf militarily for Greece and Syrian Catholics, gets a dose of British gunboat diplomacy, backing down and compelled by treaty never to intervene in Egyptian affairs again.

The Suez Canal is not constructed. Egyptian floating debt butterflied, replaced by foreign loan of several million in modernisation costs. Britain remains apprehensive.

***

Now, are there any problems with this hypothesis? Where do I go from here? What are the possible ramifications? Without the Suez Canal, how would the Scramble for Africa have turned out? Is there enough squeeze room for a French-backed Shogun victory in the Boshin War? How about a Belgian invasion of the Philippines during the Carlist Revolutions?

More importantly, how do I get to the WWI-era endgame where a British-German-Ottoman Triple Alliance faces a French-Russian-Italian Entente? Would it have been the Ottomans or Austria on Germany's side? Would Italy have committed to this new Entente?

What about a Dutch Benelux?

And more importantly, any budding mapmakers?

Seems rather arbitrary, and rather focused on the east Mediterranean.

[Seljuq Kyiv]

What about a Dutch Benelux?

And more importantly, any budding mapmakers?

Seems rather arbitrary, and rather focused on the east Mediterranean.

Because that is only the POD. A series of PODs is possible, though I'd like just one for now.

Trying to figure out what happens next. France being closed to North Africa and Asia (for the time being) means it has more resources to throw at in the Americas, especially Mexico. Which gives it a closer eye on Panama, and when de Lesseps sooner or later builds the Panama Canal, the Pacific is open to French enroachment.

The new frontier is no longer Africa, but the Orient... Again.

[Alleniana]

Seems rather arbitrary, and rather focused on the east Mediterranean.

Because that is only the POD. A series of PODs is possible, though I'd like just one for now.

Trying to figure out what happens next. France being closed to North Africa and Asia (for the time being) means it has more resources to throw at in the Americas, especially Mexico. Which gives it a closer eye on Panama, and when de Lesseps sooner or later builds the Panama Canal, the Pacific is open to French enroachment.

The new frontier is no longer Africa, but the Orient... Again.

Hmm...
Why not? North Africa is hardly all Africa.

[Altito Asmoro]

In 1824, the Ottoman Empire crushes the Greek War of Independence, setting up ripples through European, — and soon, world — history.

For its help in the war, Egypt gains Morea and Crete but not Syria. Wins the First Egyptian-Ottoman War, but stops at Konya after British gunboat diplomacy. Thousands of Greek slaves are deported to Egypt and replaced with Arab settlers. Syria chafes under Egyptian modernisation.

Egypt forced to give up Syria and the Hejaz in Second Egyptian-Ottoman War after European threat of military intervention. Keeps Morea, Crete, gains Cyprus and several freedoms, including the ability to contract foreign loans. France, which initially intervened on Egypt's behalf militarily for Greece and Syrian Catholics, gets a dose of British gunboat diplomacy, backing down and compelled by treaty never to intervene in Egyptian affairs again.

The Suez Canal is not constructed. Egyptian floating debt butterflied, replaced by foreign loan of several million in modernisation costs. Britain remains apprehensive.

***

Now, are there any problems with this hypothesis? Where do I go from here? What are the possible ramifications? Without the Suez Canal, how would the Scramble for Africa have turned out? Is there enough squeeze room for a French-backed Shogun victory in the Boshin War? How about a Belgian invasion of the Philippines during the Carlist Revolutions?

More importantly, how do I get to the WWI-era endgame where a British-German-Ottoman Triple Alliance faces a French-Russian-Italian Entente? Would it have been the Ottomans or Austria on Germany's side? Would Italy have committed to this new Entente?

What about a Dutch Benelux?

And more importantly, any budding mapmakers?

Dutch Benelux sounds good. But I think they need to invest on military of Indonesia if they want to keep Indonesia. France maybe eyeing for resources in Indonesia, same with Britain.

[Agritum]

No, genuinely, let's stop.

Fraire, I'll be perfectly blunt with you. Mature. Your current attitude of poor spelling, acting "mad and manic" and generally trying to make yourself the centre of attention is not very appealing. It's a trend throughout your whole posting history in P2TM and A&F. For your own sake and I say this as personal and Mentor advice, stop and grow up beyond that.

Well, myself, I got attention by flaunting my love of mecha all over the world.

[Seljuq Kyiv]

Because that is only the POD. A series of PODs is possible, though I'd like just one for now.

Trying to figure out what happens next. France being closed to North Africa and Asia (for the time being) means it has more resources to throw at in the Americas, especially Mexico. Which gives it a closer eye on Panama, and when de Lesseps sooner or later builds the Panama Canal, the Pacific is open to French enroachment.

The new frontier is no longer Africa, but the Orient... Again.

Hmm...
Why not? North Africa is hardly all Africa.

A scramble for Africa is still possible, and I'd like a Fashoda Incident in the Niger. I imagine, however, that Leopold II would most likely go for the Philippines as he had originally planned, so there goes a mad landgrab for a time.

In the event of an Ottoman victory in the Greek Revolt, followed by a victory in the Crimean War, there is now little to stop the Tanzimat, which will give the needed tap to swing a close Russian victory to a close Ottoman victory and industrialisation on par with Italy. Russia and Austria continue to be strong allies as they do not fight for supremacy in the Balkans. The Dreikaiserbund is renewed and stays strong.

Which means Britain, France, Italy vs Germany, Austria, Russia, unless the Austrians and the Russians wouldn't have been on good terms anyway after the Crimean War.

I just need to establish the partition of Africa.

[Alleniana]

Hmm...
Why not? North Africa is hardly all Africa.

A scramble for Africa is still possible, and I'd like a Fashoda Incident in the Niger. I imagine, however, that Leopold II would most likely go for the Philippines as he had originally planned, so there goes a mad landgrab for a time.

In the event of an Ottoman victory in the Greek Revolt, followed by a victory in the Crimean War, there is now little to stop the Tanzimat, which will give the needed tap to swing a close Russian victory to a close Ottoman victory and industrialisation on par with Italy. Russia and Austria continue to be strong allies as they do not fight for supremacy in the Balkans. The Dreikaiserbund is renewed and stays strong.

Which means Britain, France, Italy vs Germany, Austria, Russia, unless the Austrians and the Russians wouldn't have been on good terms anyway after the Crimean War.

I just need to establish the partition of Africa.

Hmm... sounds interesting. I'm not quite as well versed in that period's history as you are, but it sounds very interesting.

[Grenartia]

Fine, I'll set it on a farm with oranges, and all oranges are filled with gross boranges

Actually, there is technically a rhyme for orange.

See here.

Where's the definition?

[The Nation of Hay]

Actually, there is technically a rhyme for orange.

See here.

Where's the definition?

It's a rather dated term for Sporangium

[Alleniana]

I, once, half-asleep, thought of a rhyme for orange. I fell asleep, and promptly never remembered it again.

[Seljuq Kyiv]

I, once, half-asleep, thought of a rhyme for orange. I fell asleep, and promptly never remembered it again.

Lozenge?

[Alleniana]

I, once, half-asleep, thought of a rhyme for orange. I fell asleep, and promptly never remembered it again.

Lozenge?

I... think... maybe...

[Swith Witherward]

No, genuinely, let's stop.

Fraire, I'll be perfectly blunt with you. Mature. Your current attitude of poor spelling, acting "mad and manic" and generally trying to make yourself the centre of attention is not very appealing. It's a trend throughout your whole posting history in P2TM and A&F. For your own sake and I say this as personal and Mentor advice, stop and grow up beyond that.

I support Night on this.

Peeps, Traveller's Cafe is a place for brainstorming and advice. While I don't frown on banter (and contribute to it elsewhere), I don't want to lose this thread due to misconception that it's "a chat play thread". Talk is good. Too much off topic talk is bad. Save the play for your OOCs or F7.

[Ularn]

Are there any Steampunk-themed character RPs going on at the moment? I'm in the mood for some gentlemanly Mad Science!^TM

[Alleniana]

Are there any Steampunk-themed character RPs going on at the moment? I'm in the mood for some gentlemanly Mad Science!^TM

I don't believe so; steampunk was all the rage but a month ago, but now there's fairly few.