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Postby Seljuq Kyiv » Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:11 am

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The Broken Russian States wrote:Hey, is this a good intro? I have this RP and I'm wondering if this is good.

If not, could you please give me pointers so my next one is ok?

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The Year is 1972. At the Height of the Cold War, Soviet and NATO tensions escalate to an all time high. The Cuban Missile Crisis resolved in F-102s firing on Soviet Missile carriers, turning the tensions higher. Now, The Berlin Wall falls, but this time, under the power of assaulting T-64s. The Soviet Union invades Western Europe. With the United States still fighting in Vietnam, the world may collapse under the Soviet Union.

Why would the Soviets attack through the Wall? I mean, it's a dramatic picture, but surely they could just encircle Berlin.


Perhaps in emulation of Hannibal crossing the Alps rather than sailing across the Mediterranean?

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Postby Ayreonia » Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:18 am

Seljuq Kyiv wrote:
Ayreonia wrote:Why would the Soviets attack through the Wall? I mean, it's a dramatic picture, but surely they could just encircle Berlin.


Perhaps in emulation of Hannibal crossing the Alps rather than sailing across the Mediterranean?

To display they have balls of brass? :p

At least Hannibal sailing across the Med would have resulted in huge logistical problems.

Although I admit it, the Berlin Wall crumbling beneath the treads of hundreds of BMPs would be sweet.
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Postby Grenartia » Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:20 am

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Ayreonia wrote:Why would the Soviets attack through the Wall? I mean, it's a dramatic picture, but surely they could just encircle Berlin.


Perhaps in emulation of Hannibal crossing the Alps rather than sailing across the Mediterranean?


Surely, then, they'd invade Spain first, and march to Germany?
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Postby Seljuq Kyiv » Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:24 am

Ayreonia wrote:
Seljuq Kyiv wrote:
Perhaps in emulation of Hannibal crossing the Alps rather than sailing across the Mediterranean?

To display they have balls of brass? :p

At least Hannibal sailing across the Med would have resulted in huge logistical problems.

Although I admit it, the Berlin Wall crumbling beneath the treads of hundreds of BMPs would be sweet.


Or it is the act of terrorists or rioters that punches a hole through the Berlin Wall (signifying in Soviet propaganda the will of the proletariat triumphant over western pigdog oppression), and then a small squadron of T-64s roll through symbolically?

Meanwhile, Russia invades something else of note?

By the way, the Soviet Union knew that war would be too expensive, and relied instead on a series of buffer states on its western frontier, rather than entering war outright. Russia will need a damn good reason for this intrusion.

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:41 am

All this talk of conflicts within my refrigerator has given me an idea. What if the USSR actually became a social utopia, while America and NATO fell from decency into an absolute dystopia stemming from rampant paranoia? Then the Americans and NATO, with their greater fleets, invade Russia as opposed to the other way around.

You can steal this, btw. I'm sure as hell not doing it.
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Postby Seljuq Kyiv » Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:46 am

In 1824, the Ottoman Empire crushes the Greek War of Independence, setting up ripples through European, — and soon, world — history.

For its help in the war, Egypt gains Morea and Crete but not Syria. Wins the First Egyptian-Ottoman War, but stops at Konya after British gunboat diplomacy. Thousands of Greek slaves are deported to Egypt and replaced with Arab settlers. Syria chafes under Egyptian modernisation.

Egypt forced to give up Syria and the Hejaz in Second Egyptian-Ottoman War after European threat of military intervention. Keeps Morea, Crete, gains Cyprus and several freedoms, including the ability to contract foreign loans. France, which initially intervened on Egypt's behalf militarily for Greece and Syrian Catholics, gets a dose of British gunboat diplomacy, backing down and compelled by treaty never to intervene in Egyptian affairs again.

The Suez Canal is not constructed. Egyptian floating debt butterflied, replaced by foreign loan of several million in modernisation costs. Britain remains apprehensive.

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Now, are there any problems with this hypothesis? Where do I go from here? What are the possible ramifications? Without the Suez Canal, how would the Scramble for Africa have turned out? Is there enough squeeze room for a French-backed Shogun victory in the Boshin War? How about a Belgian invasion of the Philippines during the Carlist Revolutions?

More importantly, how do I get to the WWI-era endgame where a British-German-Ottoman Triple Alliance faces a French-Russian-Italian Entente? Would it have been the Ottomans or Austria on Germany's side? Would Italy have committed to this new Entente?

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Postby Ayreonia » Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:59 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:All this talk of conflicts within my refrigerator has given me an idea. What if the USSR actually became a social utopia, while America and NATO fell from decency into an absolute dystopia stemming from rampant paranoia? Then the Americans and NATO, with their greater fleets, invade Russia as opposed to the other way around.

You can steal this, btw. I'm sure as hell not doing it.

B-b-but commies are supposed to be the bad guys!
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:01 am

Ayreonia wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:All this talk of conflicts within my refrigerator has given me an idea. What if the USSR actually became a social utopia, while America and NATO fell from decency into an absolute dystopia stemming from rampant paranoia? Then the Americans and NATO, with their greater fleets, invade Russia as opposed to the other way around.

You can steal this, btw. I'm sure as hell not doing it.

B-b-but commies are supposed to be the bad guys!

And that's why we'll never see a WWII game in the Eastern Front. Well, besides Red Orchestra. And Company of Heroes.
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Postby Ayreonia » Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:04 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Ayreonia wrote:B-b-but commies are supposed to be the bad guys!

And that's why we'll never see a WWII game in the Eastern Front. Well, besides Red Orchestra. And Company of Heroes.

What about that one Cod? Back when the series was actually interesting?
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Postby The Broken Russian States » Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:46 am

Ayreonia wrote:
The Broken Russian States wrote:Hey, is this a good intro? I have this RP and I'm wondering if this is good.

If not, could you please give me pointers so my next one is ok?

Topic:
The Year is 1972. At the Height of the Cold War, Soviet and NATO tensions escalate to an all time high. The Cuban Missile Crisis resolved in F-102s firing on Soviet Missile carriers, turning the tensions higher. Now, The Berlin Wall falls, but this time, under the power of assaulting T-64s. The Soviet Union invades Western Europe. With the United States still fighting in Vietnam, the world may collapse under the Soviet Union.

Why would the Soviets attack through the Wall? I mean, it's a dramatic picture, but surely they could just encircle Berlin.

For Drama.
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Postby The Broken Russian States » Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:47 am

The Armed Republic of Dutch coolness wrote:
The Broken Russian States wrote:Hey, is this a good intro? I have this RP and I'm wondering if this is good.

If not, could you please give me pointers so my next one is ok?

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The Year is 1972. At the Height of the Cold War, Soviet and NATO tensions escalate to an all time high. The Cuban Missile Crisis resolved in F-102s firing on Soviet Missile carriers, turning the tensions higher. Now, The Berlin Wall falls, but this time, under the power of assaulting T-64s. The Soviet Union invades Western Europe. With the United States still fighting in Vietnam, the world may collapse under the Soviet Union.

It's a very short intro.

Also, in my humble opinion, it's likely to turn into a "Murica kills commie bastards!"-type of RP.


Ehh, The USSR would most likely be supported through the PRC. Then NATO would not have an easy victory anywhere
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Postby The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness » Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:48 am

The Broken Russian States wrote:
The Armed Republic of Dutch coolness wrote:It's a very short intro.

Also, in my humble opinion, it's likely to turn into a "Murica kills commie bastards!"-type of RP.


Ehh, The USSR would most likely be supported through the PRC. Then NATO would not have an easy victory anywhere


I just mean that most players would be 'Muricans killing "commie bastards".

A sad thing, though.
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Postby The Broken Russian States » Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:50 am

The Armed Republic of Dutch coolness wrote:
The Broken Russian States wrote:
Ehh, The USSR would most likely be supported through the PRC. Then NATO would not have an easy victory anywhere


I just mean that most players would be 'Muricans killing "commie bastards".

A sad thing, though.


Well, yeah. I play the USSR, and I hit Berlin, overwhelmed the defences, then attack a city in West Germany at the same time as invading France via Paratroops in Paris.
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Postby The Broken Russian States » Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:54 am

Seljuq Kyiv wrote:
Ayreonia wrote:To display they have balls of brass? :p

At least Hannibal sailing across the Med would have resulted in huge logistical problems.

Although I admit it, the Berlin Wall crumbling beneath the treads of hundreds of BMPs would be sweet.


Or it is the act of terrorists or rioters that punches a hole through the Berlin Wall (signifying in Soviet propaganda the will of the proletariat triumphant over western pigdog oppression), and then a small squadron of T-64s roll through symbolically?

Meanwhile, Russia invades something else of note?

By the way, the Soviet Union knew that war would be too expensive, and relied instead on a series of buffer states on its western frontier, rather than entering war outright. Russia will need a damn good reason for this intrusion.


Well Kennedy attacked the Soviet carriers in Cuba ten years before.

Meanwhile, Russia invades France, to have a two pronged offense. The plan is that Germany becomes unified under the Socialist version, France falls, and then Russia hits the UK and dominates Europe. Then the PRC and Russia invade the United States, the PRC through California, Oregon, and Washington, and Russia though the Eastern Seaboard.
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Postby The Broken Russian States » Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:55 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:All this talk of conflicts within my refrigerator has given me an idea. What if the USSR actually became a social utopia, while America and NATO fell from decency into an absolute dystopia stemming from rampant paranoia? Then the Americans and NATO, with their greater fleets, invade Russia as opposed to the other way around.

You can steal this, btw. I'm sure as hell not doing it.


It would again be the USSR + PRC, and NATO would lose horribly.
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Postby The Broken Russian States » Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:56 am

Ayreonia wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:And that's why we'll never see a WWII game in the Eastern Front. Well, besides Red Orchestra. And Company of Heroes.

What about that one Cod? Back when the series was actually interesting?

That was World War two, and really, the Soviet Union won the war, not the United States and what would soon be NATO
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Postby Ayreonia » Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:41 am

The Broken Russian States wrote:
Ayreonia wrote:What about that one Cod? Back when the series was actually interesting?

That was World War two, and really, the Soviet Union won the war, not the United States and what would soon be NATO

I'm not sure I understand you.
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Postby Constaniana » Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:43 am

The Broken Russian States wrote:
Ayreonia wrote:What about that one Cod? Back when the series was actually interesting?

That was World War two, and really, the Soviet Union won the war, not the United States and what would soon be NATO

Oh boy, here we go. *gets in argument-proof bunker*
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:30 am

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Ayreonia wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:And that's why we'll never see a WWII game in the Eastern Front. Well, besides Red Orchestra. And Company of Heroes.

What about that one Cod? Back when the series was actually interesting?

That wasn't the whole game though; only half of it.
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Ayreonia wrote:What about that one Cod? Back when the series was actually interesting?

That was World War two, and really, the Soviet Union won the war, not the United States and what would soon be NATO

Oh here we go again. Lets say it was the Soviet Union all by their lonesome that won the war. They certainly did not have a lot of help from the US.
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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:All this talk of conflicts within my refrigerator has given me an idea. What if the USSR actually became a social utopia, while America and NATO fell from decency into an absolute dystopia stemming from rampant paranoia? Then the Americans and NATO, with their greater fleets, invade Russia as opposed to the other way around.

You can steal this, btw. I'm sure as hell not doing it.


It would again be the USSR + PRC, and NATO would lose horribly.

That's because the bad guy always loses.
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:34 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:All this talk of conflicts within my refrigerator has given me an idea. What if the USSR actually became a social utopia, while America and NATO fell from decency into an absolute dystopia stemming from rampant paranoia? Then the Americans and NATO, with their greater fleets, invade Russia as opposed to the other way around.

You can steal this, btw. I'm sure as hell not doing it.


Nah, I'm too patriotic.

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Postby Gvozdevsk » Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:35 am

You know the Soviets and PRC hated each other, right?

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:36 am

Constaniana wrote:
The Broken Russian States wrote:That was World War two, and really, the Soviet Union won the war, not the United States and what would soon be NATO

Oh boy, here we go. *gets in argument-proof bunker*

MURICA WINS ALL THE WARS!
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Postby The Tiger Kingdom » Thu Feb 20, 2014 11:46 am

The Broken Russian States wrote:
Ayreonia wrote:What about that one Cod? Back when the series was actually interesting?

That was World War two, and really, the Soviet Union won the war, not the United States and what would soon be NATO

Not...really!
Gvozdevsk wrote:You know the Soviets and PRC hated each other, right?

They also didn't have any kind of Navy back then, really, much less one capable of getting past Japan (much less Hawaii)...
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RP Name: Out of the Comfort Zone.
RP Creator: Cylarn.
Type (Character, Nation, Faction): Character.
Genre/s: Crime/Mystery/Thriller.
Detailed Description: The year is 1994, and South Africa has begun to undergo major change, with the election of its first black President, Nelson Mandela. With the election of President Mandela and a major rise in the political power of the ANC, institutions of the minority white government such as Apartheid have been struck down, while Mandela makes attempts to bring about reconciliation between the whites and blacks. While many have applauded Mandela for his strong efforts of reconciliation, others have resented the end of Apartheid, fearing as though the blacks would oppress the whites and limit the opportunities of future white South Africans. Violence is not unheard of, and in poverty-stricken areas of the nation, violence between whites and black is all too common. In the coming days, a new violent event would threaten to bring down the growing Rainbow Nation.

Welcome to the city of Johannesburg, capital of the Gauteng Province. In recent years following the striking-down of the Group Areas Act and the end of Apartheid, crime has gone up and Johannesburg has seen many businesses shut down as a result. Racial tensions are high, and many point to these tensions as the cause of the assassination of a prominent ANC politician in the city. Many blacks believe that the assassination is the work of anti-government whites who resent the end of Apartheid, while a majority of the whites are accusing the ANC of assassinating the politician so that they may use the situation as an excuse to further "Africanize" South Africa and to persecute the whites. Race riots and gang violence have begun to increase in Johannesburg, prompting the South African Police Service to respond to the chaos.

In the midst of the chaos, the SAPS is carrying out the investigation of the assassination in a unique manner. For one of the first times since the end of Apartheid, the investigation team is racially integrated, with the hopes that the appearance of a multi-racial investigation team will help to soothe accusations of racism by the police. You are one of the detectives assigned to the case, and whether you are white or black, your job is to get to the bottom of this murder. For all of you, this is a first - to be working alongside someone of a different race. However, you must put aside racial differences if justice is to be upheld.
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Postby The Broken Russian States » Thu Feb 20, 2014 2:33 pm

Gvozdevsk wrote:You know the Soviets and PRC hated each other, right?

They hated the USA more
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