(Open) OOC 1875 REAL-WORLD RP

[Of the Quendi]

UPDATED MAP AS OF 1 JANUARY 1875

There is a grey dot north of Afghanistan which should be colored in Bukhara's color and Manchuria is Qing now.

Also how on earth did Egypt gain control over Ethiopia?

Question? When did I lose Romania, Hejaz, and Tunis, and Armenia isn't independent, right? As far as I can tell, its just an autonomous region of the empire, but I may be wrong

I have always been a bit confused about the situation in Armenia because I was told that it was given independence but the terms of that independency seemed to be more like autonomy (and not even a lot of autonomy).

Whatever the case Armenia is presently in a civil war with the Russian army de facto involved through "volunteers". As for Romania it was as the United Principalities always de facto independent of the Ottoman Empire.

pffffft

@Austria&Russia
Would you guys be interested in trading pacts and even perhaps alliances with Serbia? It could be mutually beneficial, especially for Austria.

Having an alliance with Austria-Hungary may benefit Austria, but hardly Serbia.

As for Russia sure why not, I will probably end up carrying the whole of the South Slavic world through war with the Ottomans either way so I might as well have an alliance.

[Seljuq Kyiv]

UPDATED MAP AS OF 1 JANUARY 1875

There is a grey dot north of Afghanistan which should be colored in Bukhara's color and Manchuria is Qing now.

Also how on earth did Egypt gain control over Ethiopia?

Question? When did I lose Romania, Hejaz, and Tunis, and Armenia isn't independent, right? As far as I can tell, its just an autonomous region of the empire, but I may be wrong

I have always been a bit confused about the situation in Armenia because I was told that it was given independence but the terms of that independency seemed to be more like autonomy (and not even a lot of autonomy).

Whatever the case Armenia is presently in a civil war with the Russian army de facto involved through "volunteers". As for Romania it was as the United Principalities always de facto independent of the Ottoman Empire.

pffffft

@Austria&Russia
Would you guys be interested in trading pacts and even perhaps alliances with Serbia? It could be mutually beneficial, especially for Austria.

Having an alliance with Austria-Hungary may benefit Austria, but hardly Serbia.

As for Russia sure why not, I will probably end up carrying the whole of the South Slavic world through war with the Ottomans either way so I might as well have an alliance.

You're not the only one who incites civil wars for personal gain.

What is this dot you speak of?

[Of the Quendi]

You're not the only one who incites civil wars for personal gain.

What is this dot you speak of?

There is quite a difference between a great power appealing to an ethnic minority living on its borders with which it has good relations to overthrow a foreign yoke and then assisting its uprising and a tertiary power advancing far beyond the natural boundaries of its territory to involve itself in the affairs of a nation of comparable size which is very geographically isolated from the rest of the world and known for its skill at resisting foreign suppression. For Egypt, already overextended in keeping a colonial empire without any naval tradition of note and from expanding into the Levant and the Horn of Africa to be able to hold Ethiopia is something I consider extremely unlikely.

The dot that borders both Khiva, Bukhara and Russia apart from Afghanistan. It belongs to Bukhara, not Afghanistan.

[Garwall]

That's just a myth

pffffft

@Austria&Russia
Would you guys be interested in trading pacts and even perhaps alliances with Serbia? It could be mutually beneficial, especially for Austria.

Austria could use an alliance with Serbia, granted Serbia will need to recognize Austrian ambitions on Ottoman territory.

[Lunas Legion]

pffffft

@Austria&Russia
Would you guys be interested in trading pacts and even perhaps alliances with Serbia? It could be mutually beneficial, especially for Austria.

Austria could use an alliance with Serbia, granted Serbia will need to recognize Austrian ambitions on Ottoman territory.

Might want to get in the queue for that. We've already decided on a informal partition of the Ottoman Empire if war breaks out against them. TG me if you want details.

[Kiruri]

Austria could use an alliance with Serbia, granted Serbia will need to recognize Austrian ambitions on Ottoman territory.

Might want to get in the queue for that. We've already decided on a informal partition of the Ottoman Empire if war breaks out against them. TG me if you want details.

Damn you all! Who messed up the Ottoman Empire to begin with? Who was my predecessor? Who granted my vassals independence? Who's responsible?

[Lunas Legion]

Might want to get in the queue for that. We've already decided on a informal partition of the Ottoman Empire if war breaks out against them. TG me if you want details.

Damn you all! Who messed up the Ottoman Empire to begin with? Who was my predecessor? Who granted my vassals independence? Who's responsible?

The person RPing Germany.

[Kiruri]

Damn you all! Who messed up the Ottoman Empire to begin with? Who was my predecessor? Who granted my vassals independence? Who's responsible?

The person RPing Germany.

... At this point, the only thing I can do is just defend what I got, reduce as much territory as possible, incite revolution in Russia and Austria-Hungary, and reform and modernize.

Why would my predecessor grant syria and palestine to the Egyptians? Such silliness baffles me...

[Of the Quendi]

Might want to get in the queue for that. We've already decided on a informal partition of the Ottoman Empire if war breaks out against them. TG me if you want details.

Who are "we"? The only major power with a vested interest in going to war with the Ottoman Empire and the immediate capacities to do so is Russia, and I do not recall making any definitive arrangements.

... At this point, the only thing I can do is just defend what I got, reduce as much territory as possible, incite revolution in Russia and Austria-Hungary, and reform and modernize.

Why would my predecessor grant syria and palestine to the Egyptians? Such silliness baffles me...

You don't have the capacities to incite rebellion in Russia. There is no one in Russia you can just go to and support against Russia. The closest thing is Yaqub Beg in Kashgaria but that is unlikely to work.

Same thing largely applies in Austria-Hungary but with the added problem that if you try to incite revolution among the ethnic minorities in Austria-Hungary it will backfire and spread to your ethnic minorities.

[Kiruri]

Might want to get in the queue for that. We've already decided on a informal partition of the Ottoman Empire if war breaks out against them. TG me if you want details.

Who are "we"? The only major power with a vested interest in going to war with the Ottoman Empire and the immediate capacities to do so is Russia, and I do not recall making any definitive arrangements.

... At this point, the only thing I can do is just defend what I got, reduce as much territory as possible, incite revolution in Russia and Austria-Hungary, and reform and modernize.

Why would my predecessor grant syria and palestine to the Egyptians? Such silliness baffles me...

You don't have the capacities to incite rebellion in Russia. There is no one in Russia you can just go to and support against Russia. The closest thing is Yaqub Beg in Kashgaria but that is unlikely to work.

Same thing largely applies in Austria-Hungary but with the added problem that if you try to incite revolution among the ethnic minorities in Austria-Hungary it will backfire and spread to your ethnic minorities.

The revolution in Russia could have happened in 1905 granted, I can't do much now, but if I survive, in time I could. As for AH, not unless I appease those minorities. I'll have to reform and modernize, strip the Sunni of their higher privileges, and end discrimination, perhaps establish a constitutional monarchy. The Austrian's are far less united than the Ottomans. Centuries of rule must have brought up some sort of favorable sentiment.

[Lunas Legion]

Might want to get in the queue for that. We've already decided on a informal partition of the Ottoman Empire if war breaks out against them. TG me if you want details.

Who are "we"? The only major power with a vested interest in going to war with the Ottoman Empire and the immediate capacities to do so is Russia, and I do not recall making any definitive arrangements.

Myself, Austria, Egypt, Albania, possibily Greece.

[Kiruri]

Who are "we"? The only major power with a vested interest in going to war with the Ottoman Empire and the immediate capacities to do so is Russia, and I do not recall making any definitive arrangements.

Myself, Austria, Egypt, Albania, possibily Greece.

Please, tell me more...

[Lunas Legion]

Myself, Austria, Egypt, Albania, possibily Greece.

Please, tell me more...

It may not even happen, as not everyone can agree on who is to occupy what and the question of what is to be done with the unoccupied bits.

[Garwall]

Please, tell me more...

It may not even happen, as not everyone can agree on who is to occupy what and the question of what is to be done with the unoccupied bits.

Easy: make it all Austrian.

[Kiruri]

Please, tell me more...

It may not even happen, as not everyone can agree on who is to occupy what and the question of what is to be done with the unoccupied bits.

It may not even happen, as not everyone can agree on who is to occupy what and the question of what is to be done with the unoccupied bits.

Easy: make it all Austrian.

Why am I even rp'ing the ottomans if its fate has already been decided?

[Lunas Legion]

It may not even happen, as not everyone can agree on who is to occupy what and the question of what is to be done with the unoccupied bits.

Easy: make it all Austrian.

And then have fun dealing with all those ethnic minorities?

[Lunas Legion]

It may not even happen, as not everyone can agree on who is to occupy what and the question of what is to be done with the unoccupied bits.

Easy: make it all Austrian.

Why am I even rp'ing the ottomans if its fate has already been decided?

It isn't decided for certain. You might get lucky. France has to repair itself. Egypt is suffering from overextension. Austria has to deal with Hungary.

[Garwall]

It may not even happen, as not everyone can agree on who is to occupy what and the question of what is to be done with the unoccupied bits.

Easy: make it all Austrian.

Why am I even rp'ing the ottomans if its fate has already been decided?

To make its fall glorious. To bleed the enemy at the gates, to force them into the "once more into the breach" mentality as their sons fall in their thousands on Turkish bullets, and seal the most Sublime Empire's position in history once and for all.

[Kiruri]

To make its fall glorious. To bleed the enemy at the gates, to force them into the "once more into the breach" mentality as their sons fall in their thousands on Turkish bullets, and seal the most Sublime Empire's position in history once and for all.

I'm not one of those "captains" who stubbornly "go down with their ship", I'm the one that yells "every man for himself!"

[Kiruri]

Why am I even rp'ing the ottomans if its fate has already been decided?

It isn't decided for certain. You might get lucky. France has to repair itself. Egypt is suffering from overextension. Austria has to deal with Hungary.

Luck's got nothing to do with it, I'm not gonna quit till my death, I'll just make sure it turns out to be quite the costly war for my enemies.
Besides, the Ottoman Empire is worth far more as an ally than conquered land

[Lunas Legion]

It isn't decided for certain. You might get lucky. France has to repair itself. Egypt is suffering from overextension. Austria has to deal with Hungary.

Luck's got nothing to do with it, I'm not gonna quit till my death, I'll just make sure it turns out to be quite the costly war for my enemies.

Fortunately, I'm only taking a fairly minor role in the war itself, and won't be actively attacking Turkey itself; you just have to worry about Egypt and Austria, possibily Russia.

[Alleniana]

Is Jamessonia in charge of the Amsterdam conference? I was sort of waiting for him to tell us when we could begin, but after seeing Of the Quendi make his new post I am thinking we can just start now with the people we have?

He is.

I would suppose so. Unless Jamessonia objects.

EDIT: This confusion could also be an IC thing. Netherlands is in no position to argue against Russia about when they'll begin (a diplomatic victory from the start), so it would make sense to continue after Gorchakov.

Forgot to add an answer regarding Colombia. Those provinces belonged to the USC according to all the maps I've studied.

Oh, hmm, ok. Most I've seen place them as disputed between Ecuador and Colombia, though in most cases Ecuador definitely got the short end of the stick.

Sure. MC works for me.


only 100 days?


Was it? I was under the impression it was created as mutual defense foremost.

As for its death, it's pretty much defunct; the Ottomans are inactive and dying, Italy too, while Chile cares not much for it, and Mexico, I suspect, too (Santiago has sorta taken over Mexico-Chilean relations)

Russia invaded Argentina and got into cahoots with Brazil... that's hardly done anything to MICOC, which, in any case, has its main power base in Europe.

Santiago Pact will be forced to become an enemy of Russia if Russia continues to meddle. Argentina mucked with you, result, they got smacked one. Any further action is not warranted and will be met with relative hostility.

The Milan Pact was created mainly to reduce trade barriers and encourage private investment among all its members. These kind of groups do not go away when another group comes; nations can be part of many economic groups and alliances.

A group only lasts for as long as its members actively participate. Chile, for one, looks at it as a bit old and worn, while Ottomans and Italy have effectively ignored it since Cobalt and phoenix left. Mexico hasn't been the most active in it either, and even Colombia has not done a great deal ICly. On the other hand, as an example, Santiago thing has have annual conferences, constant renewals of the treaty, and much more important and used trade agreements.

Might want to get in the queue for that. We've already decided on a informal partition of the Ottoman Empire if war breaks out against them. TG me if you want details.

Who are "we"? The only major power with a vested interest in going to war with the Ottoman Empire and the immediate capacities to do so is Russia, and I do not recall making any definitive arrangements.

... At this point, the only thing I can do is just defend what I got, reduce as much territory as possible, incite revolution in Russia and Austria-Hungary, and reform and modernize.

Why would my predecessor grant syria and palestine to the Egyptians? Such silliness baffles me...

You don't have the capacities to incite rebellion in Russia. There is no one in Russia you can just go to and support against Russia. The closest thing is Yaqub Beg in Kashgaria but that is unlikely to work.

Same thing largely applies in Austria-Hungary but with the added problem that if you try to incite revolution among the ethnic minorities in Austria-Hungary it will backfire and spread to your ethnic minorities.

You are talking about the Balkans here; a Siamese butterfly could cause revolution there.

Anyway, If Mejiko is fine with it, Chile may leave Milanothing. Italy couldn't even take over la papa, Ottomans are screwed beyond belief, Colombia can just join Santiago if they want similar terms. I don't see a great benefit here, except for getting stuck in weirdass European politics.
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So, Seljuq, does Paraguay own the Chaco then? Latest map appears to show so, but whatever local Bolivian dictator resides in the area would go apeshit at a Paraguayan invasion, and if USA invaded, Chile will protest.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

The Milan Pact was created mainly to reduce trade barriers and encourage private investment among all its members. These kind of groups do not go away when another group comes; nations can be part of many economic groups and alliances.

A group only lasts for as long as its members actively participate. Chile, for one, looks at it as a bit old and worn, while Ottomans and Italy have effectively ignored it since Cobalt and phoenix left. Mexico hasn't been the most active in it either, and even Colombia has not done a great deal ICly. On the other hand, as an example, Santiago thing has have annual conferences, constant renewals of the treaty, and much more important and used trade agreements.

Which they are? Because the player is absent it doesn't mean that all trade stops. Because a player doesn't mention the pact doesn't mean that trade stops. I don't really understand why you think a pact is over if it involves trade?

Also, I don't see why Mexico can't be part of two trade groups? If I were Mexico I would keep both: more trade, more wealth, more influence, etc.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

A group only lasts for as long as its members actively participate. Chile, for one, looks at it as a bit old and worn, while Ottomans and Italy have effectively ignored it since Cobalt and phoenix left. Mexico hasn't been the most active in it either, and even Colombia has not done a great deal ICly. On the other hand, as an example, Santiago thing has have annual conferences, constant renewals of the treaty, and much more important and used trade agreements.

Which they are? Because the player is absent it doesn't mean that all trade stops. Because a player doesn't mention the pact doesn't mean that trade stops. I don't really understand why you think a pact is over if it involves trade?

Also, I don't see why Mexico can't be part of two trade groups? If I were Mexico I would keep both: more trade, more wealth, more influence, etc.

It would be much easier if we all just kind of take this facade out, I understand that you want this group to get out of the way for Chile to hold the only trading group in South America; it's ok, I understand.

[Alleniana]

Which they are? Because the player is absent it doesn't mean that all trade stops. Because a player doesn't mention the pact doesn't mean that trade stops. I don't really understand why you think a pact is over if it involves trade?

Also, I don't see why Mexico can't be part of two trade groups? If I were Mexico I would keep both: more trade, more wealth, more influence, etc.

It would be much easier if we all just kind of take this facade out, I understand that you want this group to get out of the way for Chile to hold the only trading group in South America; it's ok, I understand.

Not sure what you mean. Chile's IC interests lay in, and only in Latin America. Allying with the dying Ottomans and piddly Italy will, as Quendi himself has said, bring more Russian, and likely in general European influence in the area. If the military aspects of Milan are removed, Chile would stay, but anything that might even necessitate the slightest amount of military aid across the Atlantic simply can't work.
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The roster has Norway and Denmark under Russia, Pope under France, etc. Eh?