(Open) OOC 1875 REAL-WORLD RP

[Lesser Tartary]

We really need to get this Amsterdam conference going.

Seconded.

[Alleniana]

Russia's excuse for invading Argentina; Americans should not involve themselves with Europeans?

Hmm, by that token, I suppose I should invade all the European colonies, then.

MICOC is mostly defunct, but if it proves useful in keeping a balance of power against ever-looming Russia, perhaps it might be brought back, with some differences.
edit: as for looking to USA... well, fat help they've been. Monroe doctrine down the toilet, threatening various Latin Americans, half colonising various places, and now invading Argentina, as if Paraguay wasn't enough.

[Of the Quendi]

Russia's excuse for invading Argentina; Americans should not involve themselves with Europeans?

Hmm, by that token, I suppose I should invade all the European colonies, then.

MICOC is mostly defunct, but if it proves useful in keeping a balance of power against ever-looming Russia, perhaps it might be brought back, with some differences.
edit: as for looking to USA... well, fat help they've been. Monroe doctrine down the toilet, threatening various Latin Americans, half colonising various places, and now invading Argentina, as if Paraguay wasn't enough.

The difference is that Russia and Europe has the power to enforce Latin America to minding its own business, the reverse cannot be said.

If MICOC's purpose is to balance Russia then MICOC should abolish itself as that would serve to accomplish its goal. Russia is involving itself in Latin America because Latin America is allying with the European adversaries of Russia.

As for the Monroe Doctrine it was never more than an agreement made by America and Europe that Latin America would come under the yoke of the US rather than European colonial powers, the Monroe Doctrine never really meant anything positive for Latin America.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

Russia's excuse for invading Argentina; Americans should not involve themselves with Europeans?

Hmm, by that token, I suppose I should invade all the European colonies, then.

MICOC is mostly defunct, but if it proves useful in keeping a balance of power against ever-looming Russia, perhaps it might be brought back, with some differences.
edit: as for looking to USA... well, fat help they've been. Monroe doctrine down the toilet, threatening various Latin Americans, half colonising various places, and now invading Argentina, as if Paraguay wasn't enough.

It isn't really dead. The Milan Pact ilwas not created for its military factors but rather for its economic benefits. Now, if you want to leave it, you are not being held down.

[Aldelxane]

Hmm, I could to that.

New World for the newworlders, don't sell yourself out...
Though just alliance is fine.

In other news, is Colombia ally or protectorate of Austria? I was thinking about throwing around an idea for a clause for the Charter of Santiago that says colonies or protectorates of non-New Worlders may not join.

Click on Santiago Conference at top of OP.

Just a heads up, any Spanish-speaking country is welcome to join the Espanola Mancomunidad. (Essentially trying to create an alliance of everyone who speaks Spanish. It'll become a Spanish Commonwealth as soon as >1 Spanish-speaking nation allies with Spain)

What can Spain give Chile for this?

edit: Spain is republick?

Yes, I was given the option to make it a lasting 1st Spanish Republic, as apparently there was confusion on the government of Spain before, and the RL Rephblic was only 1 year ago (So just a a little bir of AH to stop it from falling.) The alliance is jus to stop us from attacking each other and increase trade even more.

[Gibberan]

Oooo, USA-player, you're online.
I'm writing a post currently, and I was thinking of sending you a letter to establish free trade zones in border cities, what do you think?

Sure

[Gibberan]

A few questions.

Would Occupied nations be allowed to make their own alliance?

I'd like to know all restrictions placed on ArgenTina.

You would be allowed to, but only with Americas approval.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

Hmm, I could to that.

New World for the newworlders, don't sell yourself out...
Though just alliance is fine.

In other news, is Colombia ally or protectorate of Austria? I was thinking about throwing around an idea for a clause for the Charter of Santiago that says colonies or protectorates of non-New Worlders may not join.

I am not a protectorate, however I am not interested in joining at the time.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

Sure.
But I am not sure how realistic it would be, I got my independence from you like 50 years ago at this point.

From the King. I now have a completely new government (Republic), AND 50 years have passed.

Sometimes 50 years isn't enough to erase animosities, but since you changed your form of government (and your leader) we could try. Of course, if everyone is ok with it.

[Aldelxane]

From the King. I now have a completely new government (Republic), AND 50 years have passed.

Sometimes 50 years isn't enough to erase animosities, but since you changed your form of government (and your leader) we could try. Of course, if everyone is ok with it.

Ok. I will send your leader a message about it IC later, if we are going to make an alliance.

[Seljuq Kyiv]

Map christmas update imminent.

[Wow intensifies.]

[Of the Quendi]

We tried malleable in the past installment of the RP and what we got was the events of decades taking place within a year. I am no great fan of a rigid time system but if we do malleable we need to do it in a different form than last time, I looked back on some of the posts and its clear that the time system in effect then was less than stellar in its implementation.

[Baja California y Sonora]

Hey Allen, The Santiago pact meeting should be held in Mexico City, also if you find yourself not having anything to post about, an international exposition is held this year in Santiago.

[Tribea]

I vote one day=3-6 months.

[Baja California y Sonora]

I vote one day=3-6 months.

Too fast, plus seeing how long the post are in this rp, it's doubtful that would even work.

[Dangelia]

I vote one day=3-6 months.

Too fast, plus seeing how long the post are in this rp, it's doubtful that would even work.

Nonetheless, it can't be strict time, it must be malleable. But up to a certain limit.

[Tribea]

I vote one day=3-6 months.

Too fast, plus seeing how long the post are in this rp, it's doubtful that would even work.

Too fast?
1900 with 1 day=3 months would mean 100 days.

[Alleniana]

Hey Allen, The Santiago pact meeting should be held in Mexico City, also if you find yourself not having anything to post about, an international exposition is held this year in Santiago.

Sure. MC works for me.

Too fast, plus seeing how long the post are in this rp, it's doubtful that would even work.

Too fast?
1900 with 1 day=3 months would mean 100 days.

only 100 days?

Russia's excuse for invading Argentina; Americans should not involve themselves with Europeans?

Hmm, by that token, I suppose I should invade all the European colonies, then.

MICOC is mostly defunct, but if it proves useful in keeping a balance of power against ever-looming Russia, perhaps it might be brought back, with some differences.
edit: as for looking to USA... well, fat help they've been. Monroe doctrine down the toilet, threatening various Latin Americans, half colonising various places, and now invading Argentina, as if Paraguay wasn't enough.

It isn't really dead. The Milan Pact ilwas not created for its military factors but rather for its economic benefits. Now, if you want to leave it, you are not being held down.

Was it? I was under the impression it was created as mutual defense foremost.

As for its death, it's pretty much defunct; the Ottomans are inactive and dying, Italy too, while Chile cares not much for it, and Mexico, I suspect, too (Santiago has sorta taken over Mexico-Chilean relations)

Russia's excuse for invading Argentina; Americans should not involve themselves with Europeans?

Hmm, by that token, I suppose I should invade all the European colonies, then.

MICOC is mostly defunct, but if it proves useful in keeping a balance of power against ever-looming Russia, perhaps it might be brought back, with some differences.
edit: as for looking to USA... well, fat help they've been. Monroe doctrine down the toilet, threatening various Latin Americans, half colonising various places, and now invading Argentina, as if Paraguay wasn't enough.

The difference is that Russia and Europe has the power to enforce Latin America to minding its own business, the reverse cannot be said.

If MICOC's purpose is to balance Russia then MICOC should abolish itself as that would serve to accomplish its goal. Russia is involving itself in Latin America because Latin America is allying with the European adversaries of Russia.

As for the Monroe Doctrine it was never more than an agreement made by America and Europe that Latin America would come under the yoke of the US rather than European colonial powers, the Monroe Doctrine never really meant anything positive for Latin America.

Russia invaded Argentina and got into cahoots with Brazil... that's hardly done anything to MICOC, which, in any case, has its main power base in Europe.

Santiago Pact will be forced to become an enemy of Russia if Russia continues to meddle. Argentina mucked with you, result, they got smacked one. Any further action is not warranted and will be met with relative hostility.

[Zumreed]

All treaties have been uploaded to the Treaties gallery. Have a look.

[Seljuq Kyiv]

UPDATED MAP AS OF 1 JANUARY 1875

[Alleniana]

UPDATED MAP AS OF 1 JANUARY 1875

Problemz:
What is Ethiopia?
What is Somaliland?
Brits owned some south Atlantics, didn't they?
Madagascar, whut?
Chile hasn't invaded Bolivia yet, only is about to land troops
Chile has 2 more provs of Patagonia, plus Easter Island
Both of Ecuador-Colombia's disputed lands are owned by Colombia
What is that whitey patch near Mexico?
I'm not sure about this, but I'm pretty such Paraguay is not independent, and if it is, it sure don't owned Chaco, does it?
Alaska got sold? Legit? o.o
Did Denmark own more Sclheswig?

[Seljuq Kyiv]

UPDATED MAP AS OF 1 JANUARY 1875

Problemz:
What is Ethiopia?
What is Somaliland?
Brits owned some south Atlantics, didn't they?
Madagascar, whut?
Chile hasn't invaded Bolivia yet, only is about to land troops
Chile has 2 more provs of Patagonia, plus Easter Island
Both of Ecuador-Colombia's disputed lands are owned by Colombia
What is that whitey patch near Mexico?
I'm not sure about this, but I'm pretty such Paraguay is not independent, and if it is, it sure don't owned Chaco, does it?
Alaska got sold? Legit? o.o
Did Denmark own more Sclheswig?

Egyptian protectorate.
Egyptian protectorate.
Will amend.
British protectorate.
Will amend.
Will amend.
El Salvador, Mexican puppet.
Nominally. Will amend.
From what I gather of Quendi's correspondences.
Not from what I gather.

Dun derp'd. Uploaded on horrible quality.

[Alleniana]

Problemz:
What is Ethiopia?
What is Somaliland?
Brits owned some south Atlantics, didn't they?
Madagascar, whut?
Chile hasn't invaded Bolivia yet, only is about to land troops
Chile has 2 more provs of Patagonia, plus Easter Island
Both of Ecuador-Colombia's disputed lands are owned by Colombia
What is that whitey patch near Mexico?
I'm not sure about this, but I'm pretty such Paraguay is not independent, and if it is, it sure don't owned Chaco, does it?
Alaska got sold? Legit? o.o
Did Denmark own more Sclheswig?

Egyptian protectorate.
Egyptian protectorate.
Will amend.
British protectorate.
Will amend.
Will amend.
El Salvador, Mexican puppet.
Nominally. Will amend.
From what I gather of Quendi's correspondences.
Not from what I gather.

Dun derp'd. Uploaded on horrible quality.

Danke
this is good map you make

If you like, I'll just point out whatever I see iffy, because "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do", and there ain't no fool criticizing here yet. But constructive criticism.

[Great Kleomentia]

Name of Nation: The Principality of Serbia
Population: around 2,5 million
Population [Empire Total]: /
Standing Military and Reserves: 130,000
Maximum Conscription [Native Only]: 200,000
Maximum Conscription [Empire Total]: /
Country and Territories: http://sh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datoteka:Serbia1833.png
Head of State: Kniaz Milan Obrenovic
Head of Government: Acim Cumic
Government Style: Parliamentary Monarchy
Primary Weapon: old weapons arent really my strong suit. i guess if there is a standard rifle of that time then please inform me of its name
Secondary Weapon: ^
Standard Machine-Gun: ^
Standard Artillery: ^
Main Naval Vessels: no navy
RP Example: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=258941&hilit=ancient&sid=77247bd680442db5dc7cbec08434c533 This one died a bit early. I can support more links if necessary.

[Lesser Tartary]

Is Jamessonia in charge of the Amsterdam conference? I was sort of waiting for him to tell us when we could begin, but after seeing Of the Quendi make his new post I am thinking we can just start now with the people we have?