(Open) OOC 1875 REAL-WORLD RP

[Oseamar]

i noticed but when i saw the Northern German Confederation had a similar name i skipped a generation but i will edit it.

[Seljuq Kyiv]

i noticed but when i saw the Northern German Confederation had a similar name i skipped a generation but i will edit it.

What, Wilhelm I?

[Oseamar]

Population (The Confederation): 30,000,000
Standing Military and Reserves: 1,00,000
Maximum Conscription (Native): 1,9600,000
Country and Territories: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map-NDB.svg
Head of State: His Majesty, the King of Prussia, Wilhelm Friedrich Ludwig
Head of Government: Chancellor Otto von Bismarck
Government Style: Authoritarian Democracy
Primary Weapon: Dreyse Needle-Gun-(1870) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreyse_needle_gun Mauser Model 1871-(Starting in 1871) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauser_Model_1871
Secondary Weapon: Unknown
Standard Artillery: Krupp C64 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C64_%28field_gun%29
Main Naval Vessels: 7 Ironclads-(1870) 10 Ironclads-(1871)
Additional Reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_a ... cteristics

this app threw me off sorry

[Alleniana]

Louis-Napoleon was with Prussia, but I imagine Spain now has a Hohenzollern king.

What Prince Leopold? I don't think anyone will want him to be king of Spain. Then even Amadeo is better.

Indeed. I imagine Chile, being able to supply many of the things that Europe needs during the opposite seasons such as cattle, sheep and wheat, would have faired decently, though rapidly rising exports of the same from Australia and New Zealand may negate a fair portion of that. In addition, copper and some other produces might help, though as a whole Chile will be quite negatively impacted, as a smaller economy that can't rely on industry to hold itself afloat. A railway into which the savings of the times before the Depression began was pitched would be a great boost if completed though...
*nudges Europeans to invest*
In addition, when Boliviawar is ended, nitre will be basically a miracle, and Australia's increasing dominance in wheat will matter a lot less, while i'll be able to compete better with the vast plains of Patagonia for sheep/cattle grazing.

In the late 1870s the economic situation in Chile deteriorated. Chilean wheat exports were outcompeted by production in Canada, Russia and Argentina and Chilean copper was largely replaced in international markets by copper from the United States and Spain.[19] Income from silver mining in Chile also dropped.[19] Anibal Pinto president of Chile by 1878 expressed his concerns the following way:[19]

“ If a new mining discovery or some novelty of that sort does not commes to improve the actual situation the crisis that has long been felt will worsen ”

—Anibal Pinto, president of Chile, 1878.

This "mining discovery" came, according to historians Gabriel Salazar and Julio Pinto, into existence through the conquest of Bolivian and Peruvian lands in the War of the Pacific.[19] It has been argued that economic situation and the view of new wealth in the nitrate was the true reason for the Chilean elite to go into war with its neighbors.[19]
Another response to the economic crisis, according to Jorge Pinto Rodríguez, was the new pulse of conquest of indigenous lands that took place in Araucanía in the 1870s.

Wikipedia's entry on Chile in the Long Depression. Since you have so much of Patagonia you can probably, at least partially, dodge the wheat bullet but since the price of grain fell to a third from 1867 to 1894 (and in this RP it will probably fall even more as I am increasing Russian grain production in Asia even faster than in RL) it will presumably still be keenly felt.

*nudges US and Europe to invest in Russia*

Are any Europeans willing to invest in a trans-Chilean railroad? It's just over half done.

Tsk, no matter what, I offer better terms for people willing to invest in the Trans-Siberian Railroad, the Trans-Aral Railroad and in time the Trans-Caspian Railroad. Everything you build you own, and all natural resources within a two hundred kilometers distance on both sides of any railroad are yours to extract.

Exactly as I meant to say; wheat, cattle, sheep prices falling from Australian competition, but still somewhat better than IRL due to Patagonia. Copper prices falling, but still present, nitre soon to give me an almighty boost, though I already own much of the nitre market, since a company in Peru I own owns most of the mines there. Railways gives some help.

Dayum, that's good. Can Chile build any? I'll just build a 5 metre section and set up a sign or something

The thread? It's linked in the OP.

[/quote]
How did the quote train go on broken for so long?

it's still broken

Ottoman Empire, Italy, Spain, France, Japan, China, Southern Germany, Austria-Hungary, Persia, (and if you wait a while, some states in the Balkans and Middle East after the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire)

Peru, Ecuador, some Central Americans, Uruguay (maybe)

TBH, Egypt is hardly in great financial shape, and with colonies, expansion and depression coming, I don't imagine it'll be really strong enough to do a lot but maybe maintain its far flung lands.

But not as bad as would be thought.

Enough to limit expansion, though, oui?

Everyone leave Belgium alone! We just want to live quietly without all of you pesky Germanics or Iberians meddling in our affairs.

^ Chile will send guano to Belgium, to pelt enemies with.

After the defeat of Argentina, I don't think it should be considered a secondary power any longer. It barely holds the status of independent state.

I support thus; in fact, I am fairly confident about winning 1v1 with Argentina.

Glory to Seljuq, First of His Name, OP of the 1875 RP, Co-Op of the 1870's thread, King of the Egyptians and the Kebabs.

Glory to Arstotzka

Seljuq, did you see my suggestions about the OP on the first page of the thread?

[Zumreed]

Glory to Arztotzka.

That should be a goal of ours. Release Belarus and make it Arztotzka.

[Alleniana]

Glory to Arztotzka.

That should be a goal of ours. Release Belarus and make it Arztotzka.

Quendi, Arstotzka is coming for you.

[Zumreed]

Glory to Arztotzka.

That should be a goal of ours. Release Belarus and make it Arztotzka.

Quendi, Arstotzka is coming for you.

Have all documents ready.

[Seljuq Kyiv]

Indeed I did, and I am in the process of implementation.

EDIT: KSG accepted.

[Alleniana]

Quendi, Arstotzka is coming for you.

Have all documents ready.

I am going to download that game.

Indeed I did, and I am in the process of implementation.

EDIT: KSG accepted.

Keh-Ess-Geh acceptid. Proseed to post in da Eye-Kee.

Dat roster, niiice.

However for power thingies, can I suggest:

Great Powers:
UK
Russia
France (?)
NGC
A-H
USA (?)

Secondary Powers:
Japan
China
Italy
Brazil
KSG
Sweden
Spain
Ottomans (?)
Mexico
Egypt
Portugal

and then everyone else under the last section.

[Seljuq Kyiv]

Quendi, Arstotzka is coming for you.

Have all documents ready.

Arstotzka so great, documents not required! Right?

[Alleniana]

Have all documents ready.

Arstotzka so great, documents not required! Right?

I just finished the Beta.

Goddamn, how the hell did a game about documents take up hours of my NS time?

[Seljuq Kyiv]

Arstotzka so great, documents not required! Right?

I just finished the Beta.

Goddamn, how the hell did a game about documents take up hours of my NS time?

But Cobrastan is not real country?!

EDIT: Thinking of doing a novelisation of Papers, Please. It has good potential.

[Alleniana]

I just finished the Beta.

Goddamn, how the hell did a game about documents take up hours of my NS time?

But Cobrastan is not real country?!

EDIT: Thinking of doing a novelisation of Papers, Please. It has good potential.

Papers, Please RP. Arstotkza v K-somethingwhatever round 2?

[Of the Quendi]

Well, I thought that in the 4 years, relations would have improved...but apparently not

What you are describing is not an improvement but the opposite. Russo-Prusso relations in 1870 was fine not meh.[/quote]

Persia? With the Ottos collapsing, it's a good time to be them.

Russia is a year or two from Ashgabat and is already extending into Afghanistan. When/if the Ottomans fall Persia will be surrounded by Russia on both sides. Ironically it may well be in Persia's interest to keep the Ottomans strong.

Persia..... In 1875 it wasn't exactly a Persian Empire or anything near to it, so I'd have to be allowed some AH for it to work. Would I be allowed to have reasonable AH using the point of departure of 1870?

Yes, if reasonable. But you would not be permitted to assume that everyone else will ignore what you do in that five year period.

After the defeat of Argentina, I don't think it should be considered a secondary power any longer. It barely holds the status of independent state.

When was Argentina ever a secondary power anyway (secondary = middle right?)?

Probably not going to work then, not exactly what I had in mind. (Assumed I would only be fighting the collapsing Ottomans. To make it viable, I would have to have a coup de'etat and get a better Shah, however Britain would probably destroy the nation while it was still trying to solidify itself.)

The UK is busy elsewhere I would imagine and in any case the UK can't simply intervene in Persia without annoying Russia so with some savvy it should be possible to maneuver between the two countries.

That said one of the very few rules of this RP is that you can't simply kill of someone you don't like. Even if it is not extremely rigidly enforced some accommodation towards the leaders you got is expected I think. Anyway is that so bad? Naser al-Din Shah Qajar doesn't sound like an abysmal ruler.

Dayum, that's good. Can Chile build any? I'll just build a 5 metre section and set up a sign or something

Then you will get two very long five meter broad strips of land which you can exploit. You don't get anything within range of what you build, you get everything precisely next to the line and then extending outwards (and no you can't build a circular railroad path).

[Alleniana]

Well, I thought that in the 4 years, relations would have improved...but apparently not

What you are describing is not an improvement but the opposite. Russo-Prusso relations in 1870 was fine not meh.

Persia? With the Ottos collapsing, it's a good time to be them.

Russia is a year or two from Ashgabat and is already extending into Afghanistan. When/if the Ottomans fall Persia will be surrounded by Russia on both sides. Ironically it may well be in Persia's interest to keep the Ottomans strong.

Persia..... In 1875 it wasn't exactly a Persian Empire or anything near to it, so I'd have to be allowed some AH for it to work. Would I be allowed to have reasonable AH using the point of departure of 1870?

Yes, if reasonable. But you would not be permitted to assume that everyone else will ignore what you do in that five year period.

After the defeat of Argentina, I don't think it should be considered a secondary power any longer. It barely holds the status of independent state.

When was Argentina ever a secondary power anyway (secondary = middle right?)?

Probably not going to work then, not exactly what I had in mind. (Assumed I would only be fighting the collapsing Ottomans. To make it viable, I would have to have a coup de'etat and get a better Shah, however Britain would probably destroy the nation while it was still trying to solidify itself.)

The UK is busy elsewhere I would imagine and in any case the UK can't simply intervene in Persia without annoying Russia so with some savvy it should be possible to maneuver between the two countries.

That said one of the very few rules of this RP is that you can't simply kill of someone you don't like. Even if it is not extremely rigidly enforced some accommodation towards the leaders you got is expected I think. Anyway is that so bad? Naser al-Din Shah Qajar doesn't sound like an abysmal ruler.

Dayum, that's good. Can Chile build any? I'll just build a 5 metre section and set up a sign or something

Then you will get two very long five meter broad strips of land which you can exploit. You don't get anything within range of what you build, you get everything precisely next to the line and then extending outwards (and no you can't build a circular railroad path).[/quote]
I'll build a tunnel around that 5 metres and paint the inside in rainbows
*nod*


In all seriousness, Chile might actually look at investing a half-decent amount. If we finish our own railway, then this might be something interesting to work on. Though chances are our troops and building will take up all the funds.

As to kill-offiness, I hope my elections in which conservatives were ahistorically voted out to not frowned on too much.

[The Star Corporation]

But SERIOUSLY, could someone update the map to include a largely expanded Portugal?

The reason the map did not include Portugal's new possessions was because they were not recognised OOCly. They were illegitimate gains through godmodding and time warping, and they shall remain unrecognised since you have failed to edit in time.

Italy seems a force truly evil in this. According to all of the other players the Ottomans are sinking fast, it could be interesting to try to be the genius Sultan that saves the Empire, but it probably wouldn't work. Spain is a possibility, but seems likely to become just another ordinary every day European Empire with nothing unique about it. I honestly need more information....

Spain's king is yet to be decided, but has captured Korea and Morocco. The current Regency is on the precipice of deciding upon republicanism or monarchism. Carlists in certain regions.

Wouldn't it be more productive to RP a rebel faction then......
Anyhow, can I have summaries of Spain, Italy, and the Ottoman Empire so far?

Italy is bound in the Coalition of Milan with Mexico, Italy, Chile, the Ottoman Empire, and Colombia (not as unrealistic as the YSGAP, however). Has shown interest in Somalia. Has purchased Suez shares for an exorbitant amount and little gain, and still is denied access through Suez. Intent on sailing through Cape of Good Hope to reach its destination. Basically the butt monkey five years ago.

The Ottomans tried intervening in the Netherlands War by sending a fleet to Acheh, but were beaten to it by Austria. Hoping to limit a two war front to just one in the Balkans, made Armenia independent (with horrid results.) After being promised Algeria by Egypt, gave them independence and most of Syria. Algeria in turn was ceded by Egypt to Austria as per an earlier treaty, and Egypt threatened war for Dayr al Zor following Bedouin raids at the border.

Actually, several people PM'ed me about the expansion and said they wanted to plot an alliance with me.

Have fun with your bias and favortism. ((Also known as picking favorites, which happen to include yourself.))

[Jamessonia]

The reason the map did not include Portugal's new possessions was because they were not recognised OOCly. They were illegitimate gains through godmodding and time warping, and they shall remain unrecognised since you have failed to edit in time.



Spain's king is yet to be decided, but has captured Korea and Morocco. The current Regency is on the precipice of deciding upon republicanism or monarchism. Carlists in certain regions.



Italy is bound in the Coalition of Milan with Mexico, Italy, Chile, the Ottoman Empire, and Colombia (not as unrealistic as the YSGAP, however). Has shown interest in Somalia. Has purchased Suez shares for an exorbitant amount and little gain, and still is denied access through Suez. Intent on sailing through Cape of Good Hope to reach its destination. Basically the butt monkey five years ago.

The Ottomans tried intervening in the Netherlands War by sending a fleet to Acheh, but were beaten to it by Austria. Hoping to limit a two war front to just one in the Balkans, made Armenia independent (with horrid results.) After being promised Algeria by Egypt, gave them independence and most of Syria. Algeria in turn was ceded by Egypt to Austria as per an earlier treaty, and Egypt threatened war for Dayr al Zor following Bedouin raids at the border.

Actually, several people PM'ed me about the expansion and said they wanted to plot an alliance with me.

Have fun with your bias and favortism. ((Also known as picking favorites, which happen to include yourself.))

I'm sure he will. Please leave.

[Aldelxane]

Well, I thought that in the 4 years, relations would have improved...but apparently not

What you are describing is not an improvement but the opposite. Russo-Prusso relations in 1870 was fine not meh.

Persia? With the Ottos collapsing, it's a good time to be them.

Russia is a year or two from Ashgabat and is already extending into Afghanistan. When/if the Ottomans fall Persia will be surrounded by Russia on both sides. Ironically it may well be in Persia's interest to keep the Ottomans strong.

Persia..... In 1875 it wasn't exactly a Persian Empire or anything near to it, so I'd have to be allowed some AH for it to work. Would I be allowed to have reasonable AH using the point of departure of 1870?

Yes, if reasonable. But you would not be permitted to assume that everyone else will ignore what you do in that five year period.

After the defeat of Argentina, I don't think it should be considered a secondary power any longer. It barely holds the status of independent state.

When was Argentina ever a secondary power anyway (secondary = middle right?)?

Probably not going to work then, not exactly what I had in mind. (Assumed I would only be fighting the collapsing Ottomans. To make it viable, I would have to have a coup de'etat and get a better Shah, however Britain would probably destroy the nation while it was still trying to solidify itself.)

The UK is busy elsewhere I would imagine and in any case the UK can't simply intervene in Persia without annoying Russia so with some savvy it should be possible to maneuver between the two countries.

That said one of the very few rules of this RP is that you can't simply kill of someone you don't like. Even if it is not extremely rigidly enforced some accommodation towards the leaders you got is expected I think. Anyway is that so bad? Naser al-Din Shah Qajar doesn't sound like an abysmal ruler.

Dayum, that's good. Can Chile build any? I'll just build a 5 metre section and set up a sign or something

Then you will get two very long five meter broad strips of land which you can exploit. You don't get anything within range of what you build, you get everything precisely next to the line and then extending outwards (and no you can't build a circular railroad path).[/quote]

The Shah had people from certain groups executed, and was opposed to reform for most of his reign. "He became increasingly conservative, failing to understand the need for change". I can't work with that. Anyhow, I've kind of abandoned the Persia idea.

[Kryskov]

Russia is a year or two from Ashgabat and is already extending into Afghanistan. When/if the Ottomans fall Persia will be surrounded by Russia on both sides. Ironically it may well be in Persia's interest to keep the Ottomans strong.

Uh...we can split Afghanistan?

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

When was Argentina ever a secondary power anyway (secondary = middle right?)

I am not really sure. I was checking the roster and that's what it said.
I think the OP fixed it already.

[Zumreed]

Siam cannot into Powers list

I'll make a post today, guys!

[Of the Quendi]

Uh...we can split Afghanistan?

No way. We made a deal, I didn't back a Sweddish Namibia and got a free hand in Afghanistan instead, I am not giving that up.

But maybe we can work something out about Tibet instead.

EDIT: Speaking of Russian sphere of influence I have some updates for the map; having noticed that the northeastern corner or Syria is in the Ottoman color but with Egyptian stripes which I assume means some sort of sphere of influence thing. Under that assumption I would like to have Russian stripes on Armenia and on Dzungaria (northeastern Xinjiang) furthermore Manchuria, expect the Dalian region which is Russian, has been restored to China, but it and Inner Mongolia is in the Russian sphere of influence so maybe stripes there as well would be appropriate. Finally Alaska is Russian.

[The Time Alliance]

The reason the map did not include Portugal's new possessions was because they were not recognised OOCly. They were illegitimate gains through godmodding and time warping, and they shall remain unrecognised since you have failed to edit in time.



Spain's king is yet to be decided, but has captured Korea and Morocco. The current Regency is on the precipice of deciding upon republicanism or monarchism. Carlists in certain regions.



Italy is bound in the Coalition of Milan with Mexico, Italy, Chile, the Ottoman Empire, and Colombia (not as unrealistic as the YSGAP, however). Has shown interest in Somalia. Has purchased Suez shares for an exorbitant amount and little gain, and still is denied access through Suez. Intent on sailing through Cape of Good Hope to reach its destination. Basically the butt monkey five years ago.

The Ottomans tried intervening in the Netherlands War by sending a fleet to Acheh, but were beaten to it by Austria. Hoping to limit a two war front to just one in the Balkans, made Armenia independent (with horrid results.) After being promised Algeria by Egypt, gave them independence and most of Syria. Algeria in turn was ceded by Egypt to Austria as per an earlier treaty, and Egypt threatened war for Dayr al Zor following Bedouin raids at the border.

Actually, several people PM'ed me about the expansion and said they wanted to plot an alliance with me.

Have fun with your bias and favortism. ((Also known as picking favorites, which happen to include yourself.))

Much Favoritism

Many Biased

Such unfairness

[Seljuq Kyiv]

Actually, several people PM'ed me about the expansion and said they wanted to plot an alliance with me.

Have fun with your bias and favortism. ((Also known as picking favorites, which happen to include yourself.))

Much Favoritism

Many Biased

Such unfairness

Wow.

EDIT: I honestly don't understand where this is coming from. What bias and favouritism is inherent in the system? If you're inactive and/or godmod you're booted. Simple as that.

[The Time Alliance]

Much Favoritism

Many Biased

Such unfairness

Wow.

EDIT: I honestly don't understand where this is coming from. What bias and favouritism is inherent in the system? If you're inactive and/or godmod you're booted. Simple as that.

I feel stupid for forgetting the wow. Neither do I. Can you post a list of Co-ops in OP?