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Seljuq Kyiv
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Postby Seljuq Kyiv » Sat Feb 08, 2014 3:43 am

Alleniana wrote:
Of the Quendi wrote:shnip

No, indeed, but my point is that no matter what anyone does in the Balkans, instability is impossible to avoid. It's the Balkans.

Yeah, that's along the lines of what I thought. I didn't think it would really work ICly.

As for Paraguay, receiving its RL borders requires expanding into Bolivia. That's my main bone to pick; Paraguay invading Bolivia would be a foregone conclusion should neither side have allies, considering both's wartorn state.
Seljuq Kyiv wrote:
Madagascar was already a British protectorate to begin with, courtesy of Alleniana. Do you have New Caledonia as well?

France bought Cuba from Spain.

Huuuh?
I didn't do that.


Owh.

In that case, the British player before you.

Of the Quendi wrote:
Lunas Legion wrote:Myself, Austria, Egypt, Albania, possibily Greece.


Wow, you certainly make it very difficult for me to contemplate moving beyond the Russo-Prusso alliance towards a Franco-Prussian one. France partitioning the Ottoman Empire is hardly possible. Beyond maybe taking some of the African bits I don't see any places where France would be an obvious colonizer, certainly none that isn't likely to annoy the British. In any case Russia will reject such a partitioning and ally with Prussia against the ones conducting it. After five years of exhausting the Ottomans and decades of plotting their downfall (against French opposition) Russia shall not be beaten right before the finish line.


I detest it when five months worth of planning is leaked, if not more than the bonhomie pretense at having a chance against the Ottoman Empire without Russian approval.

By the way, are the Prussians and the Russians allied?

Of the Quendi wrote:
Alleniana wrote:The roster has Norway and Denmark under Russia, Pope under France, etc. Eh?

I consider neither Denmark nor Norway puppet states. They where liberated by Russia and the Norwegian monarch was a Dane picked by Russia but other than that they are fully independent, though presumably quite Russophilic I imagine.

As for the Papal States if they still exist surely they are fully independent but relying on outside military support to maintain their sovereignty. I am not sure that a Bourbon Kingdom of France would be as eager as a Bonaparte Empire of France to maintain a garrison in the Papal States though and maybe the Papal States will have to rely on both France and Austria.


Consider them... Spheres of influence, then.

Of the Quendi wrote:
Seljuq Kyiv wrote:Certainly. It would have been practical if a regional power allowed a rebellious vassal living on its borders to rebel against his ineffective lord liege who had allowed said regional power to open up plantations on their land.

And it would have been even more practical if the regional power, on top of promising territorial integrity and protection for their respective religious demographic, sold modern arms and artillery, and lent the services of a bishop to a kingmaker who was on good terms with the regional power in exchange for mining rights, plantation rights, factories, the appointment of Princely State-esque advisors, etc. A time may come when this subsidiary alliance lies in tatters, but until then this neighbouring country is indebted to Egypt for the crowning of an Emperor at least.

Province, you mean? Based on my perusing of period maps and geacron, I've deduced that the Oxus was the Emirate of Afghanistan's northern border until Russia pushed it to its modern northern borders in 1886, five years after the British Durand line. But let me know if I have erred.

If what we are talking about is Egyptian businesses investing in Ethiopia I have no problem. But the assumption that Ethiopia can be a second Sudan I take exception to. It is both too powerful, too far away, and too geographically isolated to be ruled by Egypt. And if you have installed Menelik II as the ruler I am sure he will be happy to go Adwa on your ass to prove that.

I have had difficulties ascertaining the borders of Afghanistan in 1870. I found one map of Central Asia that depicted Bukhara holding territories now Afghan but on the other hand Afghanistan seceded lands south of Oxus in 1885 (but the northern border of Afghanistan is Oxus) so to me its a bit difficult to figure out what the borders are. Whatever they was I had Bukhara invade in the timeskip and though the invasion was largely unsuccessful and recalled the secession of some Afghan territories (like the south of Oxus territory given Russian in 1885) would have been likely.


That would make more sense. This will be addressed very soon.

Fair enough.

Of the Quendi wrote:
Seljuq Kyiv wrote:MAP UPDATE, NOW HD

Spoke to Phoenix2012. As it turns out, this was what he meant by the secession of Armenia.

Hmm, that sounds fairly retrospective, that territory doesn't even include the Lake Van and would have never been accepted by the Armenians. Well anyway I doubt the war would confine itself to that region, and should it I suppose it is less territory to influence.

Also the Dalian area (tip of the Liadong Peninsula) is Russian not Japanese. I have a naval base there.


Modern day Armenia, too, fell short of Armenian nationalist aspirations. Irredentist and anti-Turk sentiments should be reaching its height at this moment. Though it does make your work fairly easier.

Will amend.

Of the Quendi wrote:
Seljuq Kyiv wrote:In that case, I will need Gibberan and Quendi to clarify the current borders of Paraguay, Urugay and Argentina.

Will amend.

About Paraguay I believe it received its RL borders but its Gibberan's call.

As for Namibia Sweden also began colonizing it so at least some of it is disputed unless the UK agreed to the Afghanistan as a Russian protectorate deal in which case I forced the Swedes to back down in exchange for some lesser colony.


iirc Kryskov consented, but I shall await his affirmation.

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Of the Quendi
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Postby Of the Quendi » Sat Feb 08, 2014 3:45 am

Alleniana wrote:No, indeed, but my point is that no matter what anyone does in the Balkans, instability is impossible to avoid. It's the Balkans.

Yeah, that's along the lines of what I thought. I didn't think it would really work ICly.

As for Paraguay, receiving its RL borders requires expanding into Bolivia. That's my main bone to pick; Paraguay invading Bolivia would be a foregone conclusion should neither side have allies, considering both's wartorn state.

Certainly. But at the moment I am not only undaunted by Balkan instability, I crave it. I need, and will with all means at my disposal sponsor, uprising amongst the Slavic peoples (Bulgarians, Serbs and Montenegrins) to get a casus belli against the Ottomans, and support for a Russian war against them.

About Paraguay then lets say the RL borders post-Paraguayan War.
Great Kleomentia wrote:There seems to be a dilemma as to who a best ally would be for me in case of a war with the Ottomans. If i ally with Austria then they will probably take over Bosnia and i wouldn't achieve my goal of liberation. So i think thats not gonna happen. So after thinking it through a bit i will write a post proposing an alliance with Russia, Albania and Egypt. That is if ya'll guys are up for that.
@Ottomans
Dont be a baby. Theres still a lot you can do. You can hold your ground and reduce the damage you take in case a war strikes out. You could later reform, strengthen yourself and try and take back some of your land.

Did that really require much deliberation? The Austrians stand a couple of kilometers from Belgrade and is looking to expand into the Balkans, surely it must be a no brainer to find someone to balance Austria.
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Alcarinqua ar Meneldëa Arda i Eruhíni i sé Amanaranyë ar Aramanaranyë (long form)

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Alleniana
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Postby Alleniana » Sat Feb 08, 2014 3:50 am

I'm happy with post Paraguayan war, assuming that means most of the Chaco is Bolivian.

As for Balkan instability... people gonna blame you in 2014 ;)
:p

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Great Kleomentia
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Postby Great Kleomentia » Sat Feb 08, 2014 3:56 am

Of the Quendi wrote:
Alleniana wrote:No, indeed, but my point is that no matter what anyone does in the Balkans, instability is impossible to avoid. It's the Balkans.

Yeah, that's along the lines of what I thought. I didn't think it would really work ICly.

As for Paraguay, receiving its RL borders requires expanding into Bolivia. That's my main bone to pick; Paraguay invading Bolivia would be a foregone conclusion should neither side have allies, considering both's wartorn state.

Certainly. But at the moment I am not only undaunted by Balkan instability, I crave it. I need, and will with all means at my disposal sponsor, uprising amongst the Slavic peoples (Bulgarians, Serbs and Montenegrins) to get a casus belli against the Ottomans, and support for a Russian war against them.

About Paraguay then lets say the RL borders post-Paraguayan War.
Great Kleomentia wrote:There seems to be a dilemma as to who a best ally would be for me in case of a war with the Ottomans. If i ally with Austria then they will probably take over Bosnia and i wouldn't achieve my goal of liberation. So i think thats not gonna happen. So after thinking it through a bit i will write a post proposing an alliance with Russia, Albania and Egypt. That is if ya'll guys are up for that.
@Ottomans
Dont be a baby. Theres still a lot you can do. You can hold your ground and reduce the damage you take in case a war strikes out. You could later reform, strengthen yourself and try and take back some of your land.

Did that really require much deliberation? The Austrians stand a couple of kilometers from Belgrade and is looking to expand into the Balkans, surely it must be a no brainer to find someone to balance Austria.

No, but i wasnt aware if Romania was independent or under the Ottomans. If it was under the Ottomans then Austria could take that and perhaps look to expand into Bulgaria, leaving Bosnia alone.
hue


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Of the Quendi
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Postby Of the Quendi » Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:21 am

Great Kleomentia wrote:No, but i wasnt aware if Romania was independent or under the Ottomans. If it was under the Ottomans then Austria could take that and perhaps look to expand into Bulgaria, leaving Bosnia alone.

Taking Romania (not to mention Bulgaria) would be far more difficult than taking Bosnia. It would also be far more difficult to hold as there are only about two million Bosniaks but some seven million Romanians. Plus it would mean that Austria would be cutting Russia of from the Balkans effectively putting Austria between the Ottomans and the Russians. A very unenviable position.
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Great Kleomentia
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Postby Great Kleomentia » Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:36 am

Of the Quendi wrote:
Great Kleomentia wrote:No, but i wasnt aware if Romania was independent or under the Ottomans. If it was under the Ottomans then Austria could take that and perhaps look to expand into Bulgaria, leaving Bosnia alone.

Taking Romania (not to mention Bulgaria) would be far more difficult than taking Bosnia. It would also be far more difficult to hold as there are only about two million Bosniaks but some seven million Romanians. Plus it would mean that Austria would be cutting Russia of from the Balkans effectively putting Austria between the Ottomans and the Russians. A very unenviable position.

True.
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Seljuq Kyiv
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Postby Seljuq Kyiv » Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:35 am

Of the Quendi wrote:
Great Kleomentia wrote:No, but i wasnt aware if Romania was independent or under the Ottomans. If it was under the Ottomans then Austria could take that and perhaps look to expand into Bulgaria, leaving Bosnia alone.

Taking Romania (not to mention Bulgaria) would be far more difficult than taking Bosnia. It would also be far more difficult to hold as there are only about two million Bosniaks but some seven million Romanians. Plus it would mean that Austria would be cutting Russia of from the Balkans effectively putting Austria between the Ottomans and the Russians. A very unenviable position.


We just have to make sure Garwall does not hear that.

Keep droning on about how Bosnia will only breed Serbian and Slavic contempt, and that Romania has ludicrously rich mineral deposits, namely gold.

Then again, Austria could see itself on top if it only asked for mining rights and the opening of factories, which was Brissia's modus operandi for most of 1870.

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Seljuq Kyiv
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Postby Seljuq Kyiv » Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:42 am

Should this RP have a name? I suggest:

La Belle Epoque!
Cape to Cairo
The Great Game
Heart of Darkness
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Kryskov
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Postby Kryskov » Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:50 am

Seljuq Kyiv wrote:
Madagascar was already a British protectorate to begin with, courtesy of Alleniana. Do you have New Caledonia as well?

France bought Cuba from Spain.

Then why isn't it in my color? And I would assume so.

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Seljuq Kyiv
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Postby Seljuq Kyiv » Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:58 am

Kryskov wrote:
Seljuq Kyiv wrote:
Madagascar was already a British protectorate to begin with, courtesy of Alleniana. Do you have New Caledonia as well?

France bought Cuba from Spain.

Then why isn't it in my color?

And I would assume so.


See roster.

Will amend.

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Of the Quendi
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Postby Of the Quendi » Sat Feb 08, 2014 7:03 am

Seljuq Kyiv wrote:La Belle Epoque!

Meh, I am kinda suspecting that this epoch shall be anything but belle.
Seljuq Kyiv wrote:Cape to Cairo

Too specific.
Seljuq Kyiv wrote:The Great Game

Too specific.
Seljuq Kyiv wrote:Heart of Darkness

Like the novel?
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Arda i Eruhíni (short form)
Alcarinqua ar Meneldëa Arda i Eruhíni i sé Amanaranyë ar Aramanaranyë (long form)

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Seljuq Kyiv
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Postby Seljuq Kyiv » Sat Feb 08, 2014 7:22 am

Of the Quendi wrote:
Seljuq Kyiv wrote:La Belle Epoque!

Meh, I am kinda suspecting that this epoch shall be anything but belle.
Seljuq Kyiv wrote:Cape to Cairo

Too specific.
Seljuq Kyiv wrote:The Great Game

Too specific.
Seljuq Kyiv wrote:Heart of Darkness

Like the novel?


I hope you can appreciate the irony. A belle epoque not just for France, which has only crawled out of the chaos of the Franco-German War. Europe is in the throes of the greatest depression yet; Turkey faces amputation; Africa lies in danger of massacre and/or exploitation; China sees continued foreign intervention; Japan has its gains reversed.

An all-round time of optimism and possibility. :meh:
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Baja California y Sonora
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Postby Baja California y Sonora » Sat Feb 08, 2014 8:38 am

Seljuq Kyiv wrote:
Kryskov wrote:I bought all French island colonies, including Madagascar.


Madagascar was already a British protectorate to begin with, courtesy of Alleniana. Do you have New Caledonia as well?

France bought Cuba from Spain.

Actually I purchased Cuba and Puerto Rico from Spain.

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Dangelia
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Postby Dangelia » Sat Feb 08, 2014 9:45 am

Seljuq Kyiv wrote:
Of the Quendi wrote:Meh, I am kinda suspecting that this epoch shall be anything but belle.

Too specific.

Too specific.

Like the novel?


I hope you can appreciate the irony. A belle epoque not just for France, which has only crawled out of the chaos of the Franco-German War. Europe is in the throes of the greatest depression yet; Turkey faces amputation; Africa lies in danger of massacre and/or exploitation; China sees continued foreign intervention; Japan has its gains reversed.

An all-round time of optimism and possibility. :meh:

At least for Serbs, Bosnians, Romanians and Albanians!

Also, Romania has no coast at this time. So don't edit the map for that instance.

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Of the Quendi
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Postby Of the Quendi » Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:01 am

Baja California y Sonora wrote:I bought all French island colonies, including Madagascar.


Madagascar was already a British protectorate to begin with, courtesy of Alleniana. Do you have New Caledonia as well?

France bought Cuba from Spain.[/quote]
Actually I purchased Cuba and Puerto Rico from Spain.[/quote]
Whoever made the critical error of purchasing Cuba I hope they realize that the country will be at all out war with whoever got them and will more or less permanently resist foreign rule until they are independent.
Dangelia wrote:At least for Serbs, Bosnians, Romanians and Albanians!

Also, Romania has no coast at this time. So don't edit the map for that instance.

We will see. I consider at least one of those groups unlikely to gain any kind of self-determination in the near future.

And Romania has a coastline;

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Zenoch
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Postby Zenoch » Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:19 am

Are there any countries left to RP?

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Baja California y Sonora
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Postby Baja California y Sonora » Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:24 am

Zenoch wrote:Are there any countries left to RP?

Peru, Italy, Japan, etc..
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Zumreed
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Postby Zumreed » Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:31 am

So I'm white now?!

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Of the Quendi
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Postby Of the Quendi » Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:00 am

Zenoch wrote:Are there any countries left to RP?

A myriad. Every country not specifically mentioned in the OP as taken is available.
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Aldelxane
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Postby Aldelxane » Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:50 am

Anything about Spain happen?

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Postby Baja California y Sonora » Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:51 am

Aldelxane wrote:Anything about Spain happen?

I sent you the purchase letter.

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Dangelia
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Postby Dangelia » Sat Feb 08, 2014 1:16 pm

You know what, I take it back. Albania hasn't become this secular untill King Zog.

This is more accurate.

The current demographics of Albania (for this RP):
  • Muslim- 51%
    • Religious-42%
    • Non-Religious- 9%
  • Eastern Orthodox- 37%
    • Religious- 34%
    • Non-religious- 3%
  • Catholic- 8%
    • Religious- 6%
    • Non-Religious- 2
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Garwall
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Postby Garwall » Sat Feb 08, 2014 3:01 pm

Seljuq Kyiv wrote:
Of the Quendi wrote:Taking Romania (not to mention Bulgaria) would be far more difficult than taking Bosnia. It would also be far more difficult to hold as there are only about two million Bosniaks but some seven million Romanians. Plus it would mean that Austria would be cutting Russia of from the Balkans effectively putting Austria between the Ottomans and the Russians. A very unenviable position.


We just have to make sure Garwall does not hear that.

Keep droning on about how Bosnia will only breed Serbian and Slavic contempt, and that Romania has ludicrously rich mineral deposits, namely gold.

Then again, Austria could see itself on top if it only asked for mining rights and the opening of factories, which was Brissia's modus operandi for most of 1870.

*Pokes head in*

Oh hey, what are we talking about guys?
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"For Home and Countrymen!"

-Battle-cry used by Garwall Revolutionaries as they storm the Capitol Building, raising the Rebel Flag.
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=132814#p6655830
Above: The Treaty of Belgratz, the Document ratifying the Socialist Party's rise to power in Garwall.

[15:43] <Parhe> For some reason
[15:43] <Parhe> I feel safe whenever Gar is here
[15:43] <Parhe> Not sure why, Garwall always made me feel safe

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Alleniana
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Postby Alleniana » Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:00 pm

Seljuq Kyiv wrote:Should this RP have a name? I suggest:

La Belle Epoque!
Cape to Cairo
The Great Game
Heart of Darkness

Cape to Cairo is too Afrocentric (that's a word? nope), the Great Game... eh, sounds like we're talking of Persia, Heart of Darkness is a novel (innit?) or at least a vicky 2 expansion, and the first, no idea dafuq it is, despite being a French student for a year.

I suggest we keep it as 1875, or whatever. Names only sound stupid when they are new, and any old, commonly used name becomes good sounding.

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