(Open) OOC 1875 REAL-WORLD RP

[Baja California y Sonora]

So much talk about me.

[Alleniana]

So much talk about me.

Indeed.
*pokes about NI*

Anyway, are you still interested in Milan Pact's military facets? I certainly am not.

[Baja California y Sonora]

So much talk about me.

Indeed.
*pokes about NI*

Anyway, are you still interested in Milan Pact's military facets? I certainly am not.

Not really, I care more for the trade.
But of course military support is welcomed though not required.

[Alleniana]

Indeed.
*pokes about NI*

Anyway, are you still interested in Milan Pact's military facets? I certainly am not.

Not really, I care more for the trade.
But of course military support is welcomed though not required.

Thing is, Italy and Ottomans could drag us into annoying European conflicts; that's my biggest concern. On the other hand, they can't help a lot.

[Baja California y Sonora]

Not really, I care more for the trade.
But of course military support is welcomed though not required.

Thing is, Italy and Ottomans could drag us into annoying European conflicts; that's my biggest concern. On the other hand, they can't help a lot.

They're weak.
Colbat never made a treaty to which be signed of, so I can easily make one that only states trade and absolute no military involved.

[Alleniana]

Thing is, Italy and Ottomans could drag us into annoying European conflicts; that's my biggest concern. On the other hand, they can't help a lot.

They're weak.
Colbat never made a treaty to which be signed of, so I can easily make one that only states trade and absolute no military involved.

Oh, I see.

In that case, I don't mind at all. No probs Hannover. I'm very content with a purely trade agreement. Exceedingly content.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

They're weak.
Colbat never made a treaty to which be signed of, so I can easily make one that only states trade and absolute no military involved.

Oh, I see.

In that case, I don't mind at all. No probs Hannover. I'm very content with a purely trade agreement. Exceedingly content.

Alright, that works

[Baja California y Sonora]

Oh, I see.

In that case, I don't mind at all. No probs Hannover. I'm very content with a purely trade agreement. Exceedingly content.

Alright, that works

Great!
The meeting will be held in two month in Guatemala City, now that we are all content.

[Alleniana]

Alright, that works

Great!
The meeting will be held in two month in Guatemala City, now that we are all content.

BTW, is anybody gonna post for Santiago Pact? I can make an opening post, but I need to know if an of you are interested. Perhaps a clause about the exact borders to be defined, or annual/biannual/?annual conferences, or prohibiting puppets, colonies, etc. from joining under some circumstances.

[Baja California y Sonora]

Great!
The meeting will be held in two month in Guatemala City, now that we are all content.

BTW, is anybody gonna post for Santiago Pact? I can make an opening post, but I need to know if an of you are interested. Perhaps a clause about the exact borders to be defined, or annual/biannual/?annual conferences, or prohibiting puppets, colonies, etc. from joining under some circumstances.

I was gonna post today, but I didn't know of what.
Also since I assume it is being held in Mexico City?

[Alleniana]

BTW, is anybody gonna post for Santiago Pact? I can make an opening post, but I need to know if an of you are interested. Perhaps a clause about the exact borders to be defined, or annual/biannual/?annual conferences, or prohibiting puppets, colonies, etc. from joining under some circumstances.

I was gonna post today, but I didn't know of what.
Also since I assume it is being held in Mexico City?

Yes.

[Seljuq Kyiv]

You're not the only one who incites civil wars for personal gain.

What is this dot you speak of?

There is quite a difference between a great power appealing to an ethnic minority living on its borders with which it has good relations to overthrow a foreign yoke and then assisting its uprising and a tertiary power advancing far beyond the natural boundaries of its territory to involve itself in the affairs of a nation of comparable size which is very geographically isolated from the rest of the world and known for its skill at resisting foreign suppression. For Egypt, already overextended in keeping a colonial empire without any naval tradition of note and from expanding into the Levant and the Horn of Africa to be able to hold Ethiopia is something I consider extremely unlikely.

The dot that borders both Khiva, Bukhara and Russia apart from Afghanistan. It belongs to Bukhara, not Afghanistan.

Certainly. It would have been practical if a regional power allowed a rebellious vassal living on its borders to rebel against his ineffective lord liege who had allowed said regional power to open up plantations on their land.

And it would have been even more practical if the regional power, on top of promising territorial integrity and protection for their respective religious demographic, sold modern arms and artillery, and lent the services of a bishop to a kingmaker who was on good terms with the regional power in exchange for mining rights, plantation rights, factories, the appointment of Princely State-esque advisors, etc. A time may come when this subsidiary alliance lies in tatters, but until then this neighbouring country is indebted to Egypt for the crowning of an Emperor at least.

Province, you mean? Based on my perusing of period maps and geacron, I've deduced that the Oxus was the Emirate of Afghanistan's northern border until Russia pushed it to its modern northern borders in 1886, five years after the British Durand line. But let me know if I have erred.

[Seljuq Kyiv]

MAP UPDATE, NOW HD

Spoke to Phoenix2012. As it turns out, this was what he meant by the secession of Armenia.

[Alleniana]

MAP UPDATE, NOW HD

Spoke to Phoenix2012. As it turns out, this was what he meant by the secession of Armenia.

Though, what actually happened to the Gran Chaco? I've got a vested interest in seeing it remains with Bolivia, and I can't find why Paraguay would own it.

Other things; Romania has no coast?
The province that is the northernmost of Armenia; is that right? I know it doesn't belong to Turkey today.
RUssia owns Hawaii?!
What is that French land in China, in the south?
A bit of land on South Georgia/Sandwich is uncolored
As Britain, I claimed the central Namibian province too, and settled it

But very good map

[Seljuq Kyiv]

MAP UPDATE, NOW HD

Spoke to Phoenix2012. As it turns out, this was what he meant by the secession of Armenia.

Though, what actually happened to the Gran Chaco? I've got a vested interest in seeing it remains with Bolivia, and I can't find why Paraguay would own it.

Other things; Romania has no coast?
The province that is the northernmost of Armenia; is that right? I know it doesn't belong to Turkey today.
RUssia owns Hawaii?!
What is that French land in China, in the south?
A bit of land on South Georgia/Sandwich is uncolored
As Britain, I claimed the central Namibian province too, and settled it

But very good map

In that case, I will need Gibberan and Quendi to clarify the current borders of Paraguay, Urugay and Argentina.

Will amend.
Yellow between Russia and Turkey is Armenia.
No. The colours are similar.
Egyptian Guangzhouwan.
Not important.
Will amend.

[Alleniana]

Though, what actually happened to the Gran Chaco? I've got a vested interest in seeing it remains with Bolivia, and I can't find why Paraguay would own it.

Other things; Romania has no coast?
The province that is the northernmost of Armenia; is that right? I know it doesn't belong to Turkey today.
RUssia owns Hawaii?!
What is that French land in China, in the south?
A bit of land on South Georgia/Sandwich is uncolored
As Britain, I claimed the central Namibian province too, and settled it

But very good map

In that case, I will need Gibberan and Quendi to clarify the current borders of Paraguay, Urugay and Argentina.

Will amend.
Yellow between Russia and Turkey is Armenia.
No. The colours are similar.
Egyptian Guangzhouwan.
Not important.
Will amend.

It was Bolivian in 1870; if either Russia, USA, Paraguay, Argentina or anyone else has invaded Bolivia, I've not heard about it, after looking through the IC.

I know; was that province Ottoman or Russian in 1870?
Oh, alright
Guangzhouwan is further south; I should know, my mum's relatives are from Zhanjiang.
edit:
also, Guangzhouwan was only acquired in 1898 or something.
BTW, you still interested in NI?

[Zumreed]

MAP UPDATE, NOW HD

Spoke to Phoenix2012. As it turns out, this was what he meant by the secession of Armenia.

WTF I'M NOT EVEN ON HERE

[Kryskov]

MAP UPDATE, NOW HD

Spoke to Phoenix2012. As it turns out, this was what he meant by the secession of Armenia.

I bought all French island colonies, including Madagascar.

[Seljuq Kyiv]

MAP UPDATE, NOW HD

Spoke to Phoenix2012. As it turns out, this was what he meant by the secession of Armenia.

I bought all French island colonies, including Madagascar.

Madagascar was already a British protectorate to begin with, courtesy of Alleniana. Do you have New Caledonia as well?

France bought Cuba from Spain.

[Seljuq Kyiv]

MAP UPDATE, NOW HD

Spoke to Phoenix2012. As it turns out, this was what he meant by the secession of Armenia.

WTF I'M NOT EVEN ON HERE

What do you call that White Elephant in SEA then?

EDIT: By the way, has any nation actually recognised Armenia yet?

[Of the Quendi]

The revolution in Russia could have happened in 1905 granted, I can't do much now, but if I survive, in time I could. As for AH, not unless I appease those minorities. I'll have to reform and modernize, strip the Sunni of their higher privileges, and end discrimination, perhaps establish a constitutional monarchy. The Austrian's are far less united than the Ottomans. Centuries of rule must have brought up some sort of favorable sentiment.

It could, but it couldn't be incited by the Ottomans. Even during WWI the Germans couldn't actually incite the communist revolution, they could just give Lenin some money and put him on a train when the Russian people on their own had already begun the revolution. Only in Poland did Prussia have some success inciting revolution. Inciting a nationalist revolt is far easier than some major political upheaval.

But I suppose the Ottoman's could try to incite rebellion in Azerbaijian, and as I mentioned Yaqub Beg is probably dying to take on the Russian Empire.

Myself, Austria, Egypt, Albania, possibily Greece.

Wow, you certainly make it very difficult for me to contemplate moving beyond the Russo-Prusso alliance towards a Franco-Prussian one. France partitioning the Ottoman Empire is hardly possible. Beyond maybe taking some of the African bits I don't see any places where France would be an obvious colonizer, certainly none that isn't likely to annoy the British. In any case Russia will reject such a partitioning and ally with Prussia against the ones conducting it. After five years of exhausting the Ottomans and decades of plotting their downfall (against French opposition) Russia shall not be beaten right before the finish line.

You are talking about the Balkans here; a Siamese butterfly could cause revolution there.

Revolution in the Balkans will be nationalist in nature and will not butterfly into existence Anarchist or Communist risings in Russia. At best it will butterfly some Polish nationalist sentiment but even that is not likely to happen on a wide scale. The only thing Slavic nationalist risings on the Ottoman Balkans is really likely to butterfly is Slavic nationalist risings in the Austro-Hungarian Balkans and maybe a strengthening of an ultra-nationalist Pan-Slav movement in Russia.

The roster has Norway and Denmark under Russia, Pope under France, etc. Eh?

I consider neither Denmark nor Norway puppet states. They where liberated by Russia and the Norwegian monarch was a Dane picked by Russia but other than that they are fully independent, though presumably quite Russophilic I imagine.

As for the Papal States if they still exist surely they are fully independent but relying on outside military support to maintain their sovereignty. I am not sure that a Bourbon Kingdom of France would be as eager as a Bonaparte Empire of France to maintain a garrison in the Papal States though and maybe the Papal States will have to rely on both France and Austria.

Certainly. It would have been practical if a regional power allowed a rebellious vassal living on its borders to rebel against his ineffective lord liege who had allowed said regional power to open up plantations on their land.

And it would have been even more practical if the regional power, on top of promising territorial integrity and protection for their respective religious demographic, sold modern arms and artillery, and lent the services of a bishop to a kingmaker who was on good terms with the regional power in exchange for mining rights, plantation rights, factories, the appointment of Princely State-esque advisors, etc. A time may come when this subsidiary alliance lies in tatters, but until then this neighbouring country is indebted to Egypt for the crowning of an Emperor at least.

Province, you mean? Based on my perusing of period maps and geacron, I've deduced that the Oxus was the Emirate of Afghanistan's northern border until Russia pushed it to its modern northern borders in 1886, five years after the British Durand line. But let me know if I have erred.

If what we are talking about is Egyptian businesses investing in Ethiopia I have no problem. But the assumption that Ethiopia can be a second Sudan I take exception to. It is both too powerful, too far away, and too geographically isolated to be ruled by Egypt. And if you have installed Menelik II as the ruler I am sure he will be happy to go Adwa on your ass to prove that.

I have had difficulties ascertaining the borders of Afghanistan in 1870. I found one map of Central Asia that depicted Bukhara holding territories now Afghan but on the other hand Afghanistan seceded lands south of Oxus in 1885 (but the northern border of Afghanistan is Oxus) so to me its a bit difficult to figure out what the borders are. Whatever they was I had Bukhara invade in the timeskip and though the invasion was largely unsuccessful and recalled the secession of some Afghan territories (like the south of Oxus territory given Russian in 1885) would have been likely.

MAP UPDATE, NOW HD

Spoke to Phoenix2012. As it turns out, this was what he meant by the secession of Armenia.

Hmm, that sounds fairly retrospective, that territory doesn't even include the Lake Van and would have never been accepted by the Armenians. Well anyway I doubt the war would confine itself to that region, and should it I suppose it is less territory to influence.

Also the Dalian area (tip of the Liadong Peninsula) is Russian not Japanese. I have a naval base there.

As Britain, I claimed the central Namibian province too, and settled it

In that case, I will need Gibberan and Quendi to clarify the current borders of Paraguay, Urugay and Argentina.

Will amend.

About Paraguay I believe it received its RL borders but its Gibberan's call.

As for Namibia Sweden also began colonizing it so at least some of it is disputed unless the UK agreed to the Afghanistan as a Russian protectorate deal in which case I forced the Swedes to back down in exchange for some lesser colony.

[Alleniana]

shnip

No, indeed, but my point is that no matter what anyone does in the Balkans, instability is impossible to avoid. It's the Balkans.

Yeah, that's along the lines of what I thought. I didn't think it would really work ICly.

As for Paraguay, receiving its RL borders requires expanding into Bolivia. That's my main bone to pick; Paraguay invading Bolivia would be a foregone conclusion should neither side have allies, considering both's wartorn state.

I bought all French island colonies, including Madagascar.

Madagascar was already a British protectorate to begin with, courtesy of Alleniana. Do you have New Caledonia as well?

France bought Cuba from Spain.

Huuuh?
I didn't do that.

[Great Kleomentia]

There seems to be a dilemma as to who a best ally would be for me in case of a war with the Ottomans. If i ally with Austria then they will probably take over Bosnia and i wouldn't achieve my goal of liberation. So i think thats not gonna happen. So after thinking it through a bit i will write a post proposing an alliance with Russia, Albania and Egypt. That is if ya'll guys are up for that.
@Ottomans
Dont be a baby. Theres still a lot you can do. You can hold your ground and reduce the damage you take in case a war strikes out. You could later reform, strengthen yourself and try and take back some of your land.

[Alleniana]

There seems to be a dilemma as to who a best ally would be for me in case of a war with the Ottomans. If i ally with Austria then they will probably take over Bosnia and i wouldn't achieve my goal of liberation. So i think thats not gonna happen. So after thinking it through a bit i will write a post proposing an alliance with Russia, Albania and Egypt. That is if ya'll guys are up for that.
@Ottomans
Dont be a baby. Theres still a lot you can do. You can hold your ground and reduce the damage you take in case a war strikes out. You could later reform, strengthen yourself and try and take back some of your land.

Ally with Chile.
*nod*

[Lunas Legion]

There seems to be a dilemma as to who a best ally would be for me in case of a war with the Ottomans. If i ally with Austria then they will probably take over Bosnia and i wouldn't achieve my goal of liberation. So i think thats not gonna happen. So after thinking it through a bit i will write a post proposing an alliance with Russia, Albania and Egypt. That is if ya'll guys are up for that.
@Ottomans
Dont be a baby. Theres still a lot you can do. You can hold your ground and reduce the damage you take in case a war strikes out. You could later reform, strengthen yourself and try and take back some of your land.

That's what I suggested. More 'amputations', as such.