2014 (Modern world, OOC/Signups, Open)

[Forty Twoania]

Germany your military has been limited ever since the end WWII so you cant have more than a small defense force and a small token navy without violating international law.

Due to the fact the nobody recognizes Transnistria you will be seen as attacking Moldova making you the Aggressor

China will not collapse if it loses Hong Kong chances are its going to be the other way around

[Machtergreifung]

Germany your military has been limited ever since the end WWII so you cant have more than a small defense force and a small token navy without violating international law.

Due to the fact the nobody recognizes Transnistria you will be seen as attacking Moldova making you the Aggressor

China will not collapse if it loses Hong Kong chances are its going to be the other way around

The German military is the 4th largest in the EU. There's no restriction on the size of the Bundswher. This isn't 1919.

[Waztaskio]

Just to ask, but what would Germany really need with a Super-Carrier? Just out of curiosity?

[Owlowiscious]

Why! Nobody even recognizes Transnistria, for most countries, it's just my province. I'll take back in a quick war before anybody and their crappy as hell peacetime armies attempt to march through. Nothing short of a letter of condemnation signed by several EU members will stop me!

Of course, that's because I want to be on the Euro and stuff.

Germany is building its military massively. I've put in orders for a supercarrier. Germany in its current state is more than capable of defeating you, even without the EU. Leave countries alone or there will be hell to pay.

You can't just declare war like that; this is 2014, not the 1600s.

Just to ask, but what would Germany really need with a Super-Carrier? Just out of curiosity?

It could patrol the whole two metres of the German Coast
Brazil will be developing two new carriers, to be completed by 2020, probably. As part of the Bluewater Initiative thingie.

[The Broken Russian States]

Just to ask, but what would Germany really need with a Super-Carrier? Just out of curiosity?

I just want a supercarrier!! Why can't I have one :'(

[The Broken Russian States]

Germany is building its military massively. I've put in orders for a supercarrier. Germany in its current state is more than capable of defeating you, even without the EU. Leave countries alone or there will be hell to pay.

You can't just declare war like that; this is 2014, not the 1600s.

I think you are forgetting that the United States has been doing that since Vietnam in 1960's.

[Forty Twoania]

Germany your military has been limited ever since the end WWII so you cant have more than a small defense force and a small token navy without violating international law.

Due to the fact the nobody recognizes Transnistria you will be seen as attacking Moldova making you the Aggressor

China will not collapse if it loses Hong Kong chances are its going to be the other way around

The German military is the 4th largest in the EU. There's no restriction on the size of the Bundswher. This isn't 1919.

wrong
Germany was to limit its combined armed forces to no more than 370,000 personnel, no more than 345,000 of whom were to be in the Army and the Air Force

Germany is not that powerful military but people often assume that Good Economy=Good Military. Theres also the fact that ever since 1870 in the Franco-Prussian War Germany gained the reputation of a super Militaristic nation while France began appearing in jokes about surrendering.

[The Broken Russian States]

The German military is the 4th largest in the EU. There's no restriction on the size of the Bundswher. This isn't 1919.

wrong
Germany was to limit its combined armed forces to no more than 370,000 personnel, no more than 345,000 of whom were to be in the Army and the Air Force

Germany is not that powerful military but people often assume that Good Economy=Good Military. Theres also the fact that ever since 1870 in the Franco-Prussian War Germany gained the reputation of a super Militaristic nation while France began appearing in jokes about surrendering.

The Treaty's deadline is up. Germany is allowed to build up its armed forces again.

The last Russian troops left Germany at the end of August in 1994, four months before the treaty deadline.

[Forty Twoania]

wrong
Germany was to limit its combined armed forces to no more than 370,000 personnel, no more than 345,000 of whom were to be in the Army and the Air Force

Germany is not that powerful military but people often assume that Good Economy=Good Military. Theres also the fact that ever since 1870 in the Franco-Prussian War Germany gained the reputation of a super Militaristic nation while France began appearing in jokes about surrendering.

The Treaty's deadline is up. Germany is allowed to build up its armed forces again.

The last Russian troops left Germany at the end of August in 1994, four months before the treaty deadline.

Reread the last part

By 2011, the year Germany voluntarily suspended conscription, the Bundeswehr had retained fewer than 250,000 active duty personnel - barely two thirds of the country's treaty limit of 370,000.

[Machtergreifung]

The Treaty's deadline is up. Germany is allowed to build up its armed forces again.

The last Russian troops left Germany at the end of August in 1994, four months before the treaty deadline.

Reread the last part

By 2011, the year Germany voluntarily suspended conscription, the Bundeswehr had retained fewer than 250,000 active duty personnel - barely two thirds of the country's treaty limit of 370,000.

Made something clear for you, evidently you didn't understand it.

[The Broken Russian States]

The Treaty's deadline is up. Germany is allowed to build up its armed forces again.

The last Russian troops left Germany at the end of August in 1994, four months before the treaty deadline.

Reread the last part

By 2011, the year Germany voluntarily suspended conscription, the Bundeswehr had retained fewer than 250,000 active duty personnel - barely two thirds of the country's treaty limit of 370,000.

Even so, I can still build up to 370k with 313 bil budget. The US has 2.3 million soldiers with 680 bil budget, I can advance heavily in tech and not need a bunch of soldiers. Drones and all this other stuff. I can just be heavily technologically advanced to a point where lives aren't being risked in warfare.

[Forty Twoania]

Reread the last part

Made something clear for you, evidently you didn't understand it.

and you ignored this part

By 2011, the year Germany voluntarily suspended conscription, the Bundeswehr had retained fewer than 250,000 active duty personnel - barely two thirds of the country's treaty limit of 370,000.

[The Broken Russian States]

Actually, the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1992 should have nullifed the treaty, as not all on the signees exist anymore. This was also signed by West Germany, which also does not exist today. Technically, the treaty is worthless. (I should be a lawyer)

[Lolloh]

Why! Nobody even recognizes Transnistria, for most countries, it's just my province. I'll take back in a quick war before anybody and their crappy as hell peacetime armies attempt to march through. Nothing short of a letter of condemnation signed by several EU members will stop me!

Of course, that's because I want to be on the Euro and stuff.

Germany is building its military massively. I've put in orders for a supercarrier. Germany in its current state is more than capable of defeating you, even without the EU. Leave countries alone or there will be hell to pay.

Really? Germany with a supercarrier? Oh, and Germany deploying soldiers into a spearhead assault?
Germany has not conducted any invasion since WW2. Further, Germany has conducted no forward military role. Germany currently has troops deployed, yes, but they all number less than 10000 men, most on peacekeeping missions, and none certainly having invaded.

Further, I don't think Russia is going to be too happy at you flinging your army around its "near-abroad."

[The Broken Russian States]

Just to ask, but what would Germany really need with a Super-Carrier? Just out of curiosity?

Literally the only reason I want on is because I want one. Germany, like most other NATO, operate in the Middle East and in Africa, a supercarrier to get around would be nice.

[The Broken Russian States]

Germany is building its military massively. I've put in orders for a supercarrier. Germany in its current state is more than capable of defeating you, even without the EU. Leave countries alone or there will be hell to pay.

Really? Germany with a supercarrier? Oh, and Germany deploying soldiers into a spearhead assault?
Germany has not conducted any invasion since WW2. Further, Germany has conducted no forward military role. Germany currently has troops deployed, yes, but they all number less than 10000 men, most on peacekeeping missions, and none certainly having invaded.

Further, I don't think Russia is going to be too happy at you flinging your army around its "near-abroad."

Russia would not like me defending its allies? I'm not sure that is necessarily how that works.
And why are you going to invade it if you own it. That makes -1000 sense. That's like the military that fired on itself in World War 2

[Lolloh]

Further, Germany's current defense budget is 35 billion-some Euros. I checked, and it's only got about 180000 active soldiers.

Bujiahla(?): Do me a favor: If Germany declares war and deploys troops, have his government promptly overthrown by peace protestors.

[Forty Twoania]

Reread the last part

Even so, I can still build up to 370k with 313 bil budget. The US has 2.3 million soldiers with 680 bil budget, I can advance heavily in tech and not need a bunch of soldiers. Drones and all this other stuff. I can just be heavily technologically advanced to a point where lives aren't being risked in warfare.

this is still 2014... robot soldiers haven't been invented and if they were they would still be limited by the treaty due to the fact that active duty AI personnel can still falls under active duty personnel.

and though drones help. In the end its still manpower that wins wars

[The Broken Russian States]

Further, Germany's current defense budget is 35 billion-some Euros. I checked, and it's only got about 180000 active soldiers.

Bujiahla(?): Do me a favor: If Germany declares war and deploys troops, have his government promptly overthrown by peace protestors.

If anybody paid attention to Germany... you would see that my next fiscal year will be implementing a 270 billion dollar movement from Social Security (now privatized) and healthcare (now also privatized) into defense.

I also am just building up troops. I don't have any wars planned.

[Forty Twoania]

Actually, the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1992 should have nullifed the treaty, as not all on the signees exist anymore. This was also signed by West Germany, which also does not exist today. Technically, the treaty is worthless. (I should be a lawyer)

Their is no deadline on the treaty. The treaty is still in effect its irrelevant weather the Soviet Union collapsed or not.

[The Broken Russian States]

Even so, I can still build up to 370k with 313 bil budget. The US has 2.3 million soldiers with 680 bil budget, I can advance heavily in tech and not need a bunch of soldiers. Drones and all this other stuff. I can just be heavily technologically advanced to a point where lives aren't being risked in warfare.

this is still 2014... robot soldiers haven't been invented and if they were they would still be limited by the treaty due to the fact that active duty AI personnel can still falls under active duty personnel.

and though drones help. In the end its still manpower that wins wars

Drones can strike a target anywhere anytime while only costing a few hundred thousand dollars. An army of drones would be devastated psychologically, as you know, current military tech doesn't have emotions.

[The Broken Russian States]

Actually, the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1992 should have nullifed the treaty, as not all on the signees exist anymore. This was also signed by West Germany, which also does not exist today. Technically, the treaty is worthless. (I should be a lawyer)

Their is no deadline on the treaty. The treaty is still in effect its irrelevant weather the Soviet Union collapsed or not.

[Ptolemais]

Wow, Germany, you know your defence budget increase would put you in 2nd place for largest military expenditures, almost doubling China and dwarfing Russia. That's going to set off alarm bells internationally just because of the shift in power. I'd think your people would be rioting in the streets if you privatized social security. This is so unrealistic it's not even funny. It is even ironic that it's Germany. We all remember what happened last time Germany rapidly re-armed.

[Forty Twoania]

you have to have people to build the drones and fly the drones you still need manpower

[The Broken Russian States]

you have to have people to build the drones and fly the drones you still need manpower

Yes of course. I am aware of that. 345k in army and air force.