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Graknopia
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Postby Graknopia » Wed Jan 29, 2014 7:53 pm

Waztaskio wrote:The USA is about to take a stance on many of these issues.

Iran moving troops into Syria: Not going to be tolerated, operations already underway to stop it.

Venezuelan Coup: President extracted, operations underway to get the country back loyal.

Chinese Self Air Defense Zone: Not going to be tolerated, trying to diplomatically get this solved as no one is going to adhere by it.

Pakistan stopping US drone strikes: Fully agreeded, waste of money and resources that we can now save.

Anything else I need to address?

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Forty Twoania
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Postby Forty Twoania » Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:07 pm

Japan is blowing things waaay out of proportion. China didn't even mention Taiwan.
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Postby Ptolemais » Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:17 pm

Forty Twoania wrote:Japan is blowing things waaay out of proportion. China didn't even mention Taiwan.



I completely disagree. China's policy is that RoC is China. They would take it by force if the opportunity arose. Allowing China strategic gains in the East China Sea would be a direct threat to the sovereignty of RoC. Give them an inch and they'll take a mile.
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Forty Twoania
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Postby Forty Twoania » Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:26 pm

but you cant punish China for putting up defenses in their own country. I would understand if they sent out a fleet to the South China Sea Islands or started threatening Taiwan but they haven't done anything yet. Now China can easily say you are provoking them.
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Postby Graknopia » Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:27 pm

Forty Twoania wrote:but you cant punish China for putting up defenses in their own country. I would understand if they sent out a fleet to the South China Sea Islands or started threatening Taiwan but they haven't done anything yet. Now China can easily say you are provoking them.

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Postby Ptolemais » Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:35 pm

Forty Twoania wrote:but you cant punish China for putting up defenses in their own country. I would understand if they sent out a fleet to the South China Sea Islands or started threatening Taiwan but they haven't done anything yet. Now China can easily say you are provoking them.


The new air defence zone put up by China overlaps with older, traditional air defence zones of both Japan and South Korea. China is provoking by expanding their zone into the zones of other states. They have threatened civil and military air traffic over international airspace, a violation of international law which can be brought before the UN. To fly freely above open water is a recognized international principle.

Also, China stated they deployed their new aircraft carrier into the zone as well as military aircraft. The new defence zone encompasses the Japanese land territory of Senkaku and an island in South Koreas exlusive economic zone.

China is clearly the aggressor. Japan will take no hostile action but continue to exert its sovereign right to fly over international waters unimpeded. If China takes action, then they have broken the law and must be held accountable. Remember, Japan is not extending it's zone or changing any of its boundaries, China is.
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Forty Twoania
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Postby Forty Twoania » Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:44 pm

just looked up the China defense zone on google...
I now understand what you mean Japan. I expected the Defense zone to be closer to china but it takes up the entire sea between Japan and Taiwan.

China go home!
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Ptolemais
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Postby Ptolemais » Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:47 pm

Forty Twoania wrote:just looked up the China defense zone on google...
I now understand what you mean Japan. I expected the Defense zone to be closer to china but it takes up the entire sea between Japan and Taiwan.

China go home!


Yeah we still recognize China's traditional air defence zone, just not the new addition which jabs right out into the sea far away from their territory.
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Waztaskio
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Postby Waztaskio » Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:49 pm

Forty Twoania wrote:just looked up the China defense zone on google...
I now understand what you mean Japan. I expected the Defense zone to be closer to china but it takes up the entire sea between Japan and Taiwan.

China go home!

It's litterly another version of calling Taiwan Chinese Taipei, only with the air. China is self-proclaiming things that other countries don't recognize, which is very problomatic.

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The Broken Russian States
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Postby The Broken Russian States » Wed Jan 29, 2014 10:56 pm

The Broken Russian States wrote:Government Updates
After deciding it was better to completely privatize healthcare, Germany has also decided to privatize Social Security. The privatization of healthcare saves Germany nearly 287 billion euros, and nearly twenty billion more in Social Security. Given that Germany's deficit is €28 billion, Germany now has a massive government surplus, of 279 billion euros.

Germany has announced that the taxes will not drop, due to the 2 trillion dollar debt Germany has. This year, the 279 billion euros will be donated to the scientists in Southern France who are working on a "Nuclear Fusion" reactor. Germany hopes the extra money will have the reactor ready before the year 2020. After this year, the budget will be modified to possibly make an increase in spending, and then use any surplus to pay off some of its debt.


I already fixed my budget a long time ago, and this isn't effective until the 2015 fiscal year, which I think, for Germany, is the same as the calendar year. This post and the one about defense are not effective until 2015. I hope there is no confusion.
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Gujiristan
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Postby Gujiristan » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:03 pm

Ptolemais wrote:I completely disagree. China's policy is that RoC is China. They would take it by force if the opportunity arose. Allowing China strategic gains in the East China Sea would be a direct threat to the sovereignty of RoC. Give them an inch and they'll take a mile.

Don't forget the vice versa - Taiwan claims the entire Chinese mainland as its sovereign territory, and a few chunks of China's western neighbours that even the Commies haven't claimed (bits of Afghanistan, etc.)

Oh, and I'm in as Hong Kong now (finally), post coming up.
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The Miaphysite Church of Coptic Archism
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Postby The Miaphysite Church of Coptic Archism » Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:04 am

Gentlemen, sorry I'm late, school just started up again. Anything much for me to be OP about? I read something about Waz and the UN?

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Alleniana
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Postby Alleniana » Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:21 am

I'm still around, but still shamefully absent on IC. I'm trying to get stuff up, but school started for me too.

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Waztaskio
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Postby Waztaskio » Thu Jan 30, 2014 6:44 am

The Miaphysite Church of Coptic Archism wrote:Gentlemen, sorry I'm late, school just started up again. Anything much for me to be OP about? I read something about Waz and the UN?

Can I reorganize it? It is really hard to vote on something when we don't know what we,re actually discussing

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Lolloh
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Postby Lolloh » Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:10 am

Alleniana wrote:Attack Transnistria? Moldova will get slapped.

Will they? By your two-bit defense force? Transnistria is Moldovan, you dirty commies! NOBODY'S going to help you! Ukraine is in chaos, Russia is too embroiled with Sochi, and Romania is my buddy. You're isolated, landlocked, and have no hope of victory!
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The Broken Russian States
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Postby The Broken Russian States » Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:17 am

Lolloh wrote:
Alleniana wrote:Attack Transnistria? Moldova will get slapped.

Will they? By your two-bit defense force? Transnistria is Moldovan, you dirty commies! NOBODY'S going to help you! Ukraine is in chaos, Russia is too embroiled with Sochi, and Romania is my buddy. You're isolated, landlocked, and have no hope of victory!


EUROPEAN UNION TO THE RESCUE.

Germany will destroy you.

I know that sound war monger, but I don't want another WW2.

Keep war out of Europe. Because Germany will not tolerate it.
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Graknopia
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Postby Graknopia » Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:55 pm

Going to assume this is after the Friday deadline Japan
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The new united britsh empire
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Postby The new united britsh empire » Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:12 pm

Does anyone get bored of all this war?
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The Broken Russian States
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Postby The Broken Russian States » Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:13 pm

The new united britsh empire wrote:Does anyone get bored of all this war?

I don't want to see it, but if something like that happens in Europe, things will get real.
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Graknopia
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Postby Graknopia » Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:16 pm

The new united britsh empire wrote:Does anyone get bored of all this war?

I didnt actually (And-still-dont) expect war in Asia
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Postby Legendardisch » Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:34 pm

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Ptolemais
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Postby Ptolemais » Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:19 pm

Graknopia wrote:Going to assume this is after the Friday deadline Japan


Yeah my apologies, I meant to date it but it slipped my mind.
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Great Shogunate of Japan in 1914 AH RP - The Great War (http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=287302)
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Lolloh
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Postby Lolloh » Thu Jan 30, 2014 3:28 pm

Why! Nobody even recognizes Transnistria, for most countries, it's just my province. I'll take back in a quick war before anybody and their crappy as hell peacetime armies attempt to march through. Nothing short of a letter of condemnation signed by several EU members will stop me!

Of course, that's because I want to be on the Euro and stuff.
15, Social Democrat, Brony
Population is 135 million, plus 3 million in the colonies
National Army: 400,000 active (500,000 reserve)
Air Force: 100,000 active (200,000 reserve)
Navy: 200,000 active (400,000 reserve)
National Guard: 270,000 (all reserve)
Police Corps: 320,000 (paramilitary)
TOTAL: 2,400,000 (5.2/1000 active,17.8/1000 total)

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The Broken Russian States
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Postby The Broken Russian States » Thu Jan 30, 2014 3:45 pm

Lolloh wrote:Why! Nobody even recognizes Transnistria, for most countries, it's just my province. I'll take back in a quick war before anybody and their crappy as hell peacetime armies attempt to march through. Nothing short of a letter of condemnation signed by several EU members will stop me!

Of course, that's because I want to be on the Euro and stuff.


Germany is building its military massively. I've put in orders for a supercarrier. :) Germany in its current state is more than capable of defeating you, even without the EU. :) Leave countries alone or there will be hell to pay.
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