Beyond the Atlantic - Alt History 1500 AD RP - OOC/R.I.P

[G-Tech Corporation]

Yeah, so I was thinking that I might colonize the Maldives instead of somewhere in the Caribbean, because:

1. Easier to maintain contact with (Don't have to go through the Mediterranean)
2. Not contested (Nobody has a colony there)
3. Useful as an spot for naval bases and trade ports (It's in the center of the Indian Ocean) (Makes trade with Asia less difficult)

2. Yet.

[Bujahla]

Choice of country: Portugal
History of country: Same as IRL. Not much changed.
Goals for RP (Optional):
- Make a colonial empire.
- Capitalize on the colonization of Americas.
- Possibly take glacia and austrias from Spain.
- Become on good terms with France.
- Hope that the pope gives me all of the Americas because I will kiss up to the pope.
RP example:
- Der World (just like this but in 1550's)
- Modern RP 2014 (both versions)
- HOM II and III
- New Imperialism
- 900 years of chaos (Co-OP but its dead)

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

Choice of country: Mali Empire
History of country: The Mali Empire IRL reached it's peak around the 1300s under the Laye Mansas. Instead of entering a new with Sandaki around 1400, the Laye Mansas grew stronger and the empire flourished. The main Point of Divergence with IRL is the annexation of fledgling Songhay and the merging of the Ali Dynasty with the Laye Dynasty. This solidified the control of the Mansas with two strong bases of power at both ends of the Empire, and provided for a stable era of peace and expansion.
Goals for RP (Optional): Expansion into the Azores and Canaries. Settling the sub Saharan areas.
RP example: 1202 RP or VAPOR RPs.

http://i.imgur.com/3N8y8br.png

[Aldelxane]

Choice of country: Portugal
History of country: Same as IRL. Not much changed.
Goals for RP (Optional):
- Make a colonial empire.
- Capitalize on the colonization of Americas.
- Possibly take glacia and austrias from Spain.
- Become on good terms with France.
- Hope that the pope gives me all of the Americas because I will kiss up to the pope.
RP example:
- Der World (just like this but in 1550's)
- Modern RP 2014 (both versions)
- HOM II and III
- New Imperialism
- 900 years of chaos (Co-OP but its dead)

Portugal just got taken by Baja.

[Bujahla]

Choice of country: Portugal
History of country: Same as IRL. Not much changed.
Goals for RP (Optional):
- Make a colonial empire.
- Capitalize on the colonization of Americas.
- Possibly take glacia and austrias from Spain.
- Become on good terms with France.
- Hope that the pope gives me all of the Americas because I will kiss up to the pope.
RP example:
- Der World (just like this but in 1550's)
- Modern RP 2014 (both versions)
- HOM II and III
- New Imperialism
- 900 years of chaos (Co-OP but its dead)

Portugal just got taken by Baja.

Bah humbug. Okay then let me see....

[Alleniana]

2. Well no, not really. It might have been on par with France's decentralization before the the first millennium, but by the middle ages, it was well and truly split into pieces.
3.
a) Relatively, meaning compared to others
b) Well, true, but the HRE was never centralized enough to have a capital IRL, so as a capital, it'd be younger than old-ass London, for example
c) I never said anything about that

2. Ok.
Though that doesn't mean that with a charismatic war-hero, who enjoys support of the diet and electorate, it wouldn't manage to reunify.

3
a) I suppose so. And yet, it is older than himself, so........
b) Oh, of course not as capital of the HRE, but as the earlier Capital to the Duchy and Mark of Brandenburg.
c) Not directly, but this relating to you mentioning the other cities as already being major. Also, related to your IC comparison of it to your capitals.
Speaking of which, three capitals?
Is it a kind of system like the Early HREmperors? Where the are "Residence Cities" which would serve as a temporary home for the theoretically nomadic Imperial court?
Or is it kind of federalized/feudalized?

3.
a) true enough, comparing cities to cities makes more sense than comparing cities to people
b) That's true, but as a capital of a much smaller state, its recent additions would all be fairly new, whereas a city of a similar age, but capital of a larger country for longer, would have less recent additions, and more older ones.
c) Copenhagen, Stockholm and Oslo, the three capitals of the Major Three Kingdoms that make up Scandinavia. Each has a local court, and the emperor himself travels with a smaller-than-average household to each of them constantly. I can elaborate further, but the system won't be in place for much longer ICly.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/mqw13ma56d9o6y7/1500.png

She's not perfect, still got a few lines to polish up, but that's what I've got so far.

Choice of country: Mali Empire
History of country: The Mali Empire IRL reached it's peak around the 1300s under the Laye Mansas. Instead of entering a new with Sandaki around 1400, the Laye Mansas grew stronger and the empire flourished. The main Point of Divergence with IRL is the annexation of fledgling Songhay and the merging of the Ali Dynasty with the Laye Dynasty. This solidified the control of the Mansas with two strong bases of power at both ends of the Empire, and provided for a stable era of peace and expansion.
Goals for RP (Optional): Expansion into the Azores and Canaries. Settling the sub Saharan areas.
RP example: 1202 RP or VAPOR RPs.

http://i.imgur.com/3N8y8br.png

It looks awfully stubby; I'm pretty sure it extended further into the interior, and you might want to remove Guinea from your claims, since nearly every West African nation that tried to expand there died a quick death.

Hey, G-Tech, that much of India already?
>.>
Are you sure you soldiers could march that far in a month or two?

[Aldelxane]

Choice of country: Mali Empire
History of country: The Mali Empire IRL reached it's peak around the 1300s under the Laye Mansas. Instead of entering a new with Sandaki around 1400, the Laye Mansas grew stronger and the empire flourished. The main Point of Divergence with IRL is the annexation of fledgling Songhay and the merging of the Ali Dynasty with the Laye Dynasty. This solidified the control of the Mansas with two strong bases of power at both ends of the Empire, and provided for a stable era of peace and expansion.
Goals for RP (Optional): Expansion into the Azores and Canaries. Settling the sub Saharan areas.
RP example: 1202 RP or VAPOR RPs.

http://i.imgur.com/3N8y8br.png

Africa Buddies!

[Bujahla]

Yeah I'm out. I don't got the time for this.

[Alleniana]

Yeah I'm out. I don't got the time for this.

:/ bye

[Aldelxane]

Yeah I'm out. I don't got the time for this.

I think there's a list of available nations somewhere if you are having trouble with that.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

Choice of country: Mali Empire
History of country: The Mali Empire IRL reached it's peak around the 1300s under the Laye Mansas. Instead of entering a new with Sandaki around 1400, the Laye Mansas grew stronger and the empire flourished. The main Point of Divergence with IRL is the annexation of fledgling Songhay and the merging of the Ali Dynasty with the Laye Dynasty. This solidified the control of the Mansas with two strong bases of power at both ends of the Empire, and provided for a stable era of peace and expansion.
Goals for RP (Optional): Expansion into the Azores and Canaries. Settling the sub Saharan areas.
RP example: 1202 RP or VAPOR RPs.

http://i.imgur.com/3N8y8br.png

It looks awfully stubby; I'm pretty sure it extended further into the interior, and you might want to remove Guinea from your claims, since nearly every West African nation that tried to expand there died a quick death.

Hey, G-Tech, that much of India already?
>.>
Are you sure you soldiers could march that far in a month or two?

1. It's awfully large 'cause most of it is desert. At least in the north.
2. It was pretty much that far into the interior
3. We are the Apex-West African State *thumps chest* We took over the paltry Ghanans. *hides mounds of casualties*

[Aldelxane]

So, how large are people's territories in the new world right now?

Claimed or factual settlements?

It will take a few years to get to Tahiti, but after we've learned of this new Continent, we're curious as to see what's past it. Of course, we also need to establish a colony on all the most recent discovered island when we discover them.

Oh, that post made it simply seem to me as if you intended to rush them down in the next three-four posts.
Also, I thought Drak said the west knows of the continent and the east still doesn't?

I think it's a Crusader State.

As for timescale, I can deal with most, but I think colonization is going a bit fast; Asian ships crossing Pacific? :/ Surely not in 1500?

I thought the war was quite rapid too; Then you posted a map.
Yes, it definitely is.
Going slightly east I'd actually easily see happening, Philippines, Indonesia,sure. But towards Polynesia the Islands should start getting smaller and worth less.

0km^2 atm, I may flip-flop back and forth over bothering to make some colonies in the new world for a while yet :L.

@Jonathan would you mind starting the diplomatic process in Berlin? I intend to say my king arrived in my last Ic post when I get a chance to edit it.

@Drako and Russia(sorry I forgot the name), btw do you mind that I kind of stole the cossacks after letting them live in my land kind of unmolested?

I'd hope for you to first edit the post, so I know what I answer to......

Anything open?

Wales, Scotland.
Egypt. Morocco.
Portugal, I think.
One of the central-Asian steppe nations.
Finland (thought its close to being annexed)
Lombardy,Venice,Hungary,Serbia,Bulgaria,Romania
Popeland.

Here's a list, however since then Portugal has been claimed and Egypt is going to be invaded soon by yours truly and my Byzantine allies, so you should probably stay away from it.

[Aldelxane]

Yeah, so I was thinking that I might colonize the Maldives instead of somewhere in the Caribbean, because:

1. Easier to maintain contact with (Don't have to go through the Mediterranean)
2. Not contested (Nobody has a colony there)
3. Useful as an spot for naval bases and trade ports (It's in the center of the Indian Ocean) (Makes trade with Asia less difficult)

2. Yet.

Can you please leave it alone? I'm the first to express interest in it, I have the ships ready, and it would benefit you by making trade between us easier.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

It looks awfully stubby; I'm pretty sure it extended further into the interior, and you might want to remove Guinea from your claims, since nearly every West African nation that tried to expand there died a quick death.

Hey, G-Tech, that much of India already?
>.>
Are you sure you soldiers could march that far in a month or two?

1. It's awfully large 'cause most of it is desert. At least in the north.
2. It was pretty much that far into the interior
3. We are the Apex-West African State *thumps chest* We took over the paltry Ghanans. *hides mounds of casualties*

Of course, if Province slicing is allowed, I can do that.

[Aldelxane]

1. It's awfully large 'cause most of it is desert. At least in the north.
2. It was pretty much that far into the interior
3. We are the Apex-West African State *thumps chest* We took over the paltry Ghanans. *hides mounds of casualties*

Of course, if Province slicing is allowed, I can do that.

Are you planning to be expanding into Central Africa if you get accepted?

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

Of course, if Province slicing is allowed, I can do that.

Are you planning to be expanding into Central Africa if you get accepted?

Maybe :/

[Aldelxane]

Are you planning to be expanding into Central Africa if you get accepted?

Maybe :/

If so, our nations will probably border each other at some point. Also just warning you, the Safavids (Persia) have been thinking about colonizing West Africa, so watch out for them.

[Alleniana]

It looks awfully stubby; I'm pretty sure it extended further into the interior, and you might want to remove Guinea from your claims, since nearly every West African nation that tried to expand there died a quick death.

Hey, G-Tech, that much of India already?
>.>
Are you sure you soldiers could march that far in a month or two?

1. It's awfully large 'cause most of it is desert. At least in the north.
2. It was pretty much that far into the interior
3. We are the Apex-West African State *thumps chest* We took over the paltry Ghanans. *hides mounds of casualties*

1. Only 2/3 of Mauritania, and about 1/2 of Mali, I mean, you could split them
2. No, I'm almost certain it had a bit of land in today's Niger sort of area...
3. The Ghanans were further north and inland, and also much older

There aren't any "provinces" per se like in Vicky 2 maps; look at Finland, they've butchered Russia's border.

Anyway, it doesn't matter much. Want to trade with me?

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

1. It's awfully large 'cause most of it is desert. At least in the north.
2. It was pretty much that far into the interior
3. We are the Apex-West African State *thumps chest* We took over the paltry Ghanans. *hides mounds of casualties*

1. Only 2/3 of Mauritania, and about 1/2 of Mali, I mean, you could split them
2. No, I'm almost certain it had a bit of land in today's Niger sort of area...
3. The Ghanans were further north and inland, and also much older

There aren't any "provinces" per se like in Vicky 2 maps; look at Finland, they've butchered Russia's border.

Anyway, it doesn't matter much. Want to trade with me?

I meant dicing up provinces on the map. Some OPs do not allow it.

http://i.imgur.com/WH8Nc8X.png

Something like this

[Elderowa]

Hey G-Tech, Wanna send a Chinese Envoy to meet the Chief of the Larrakia Tribe? I mean, you won't know until my next Post, but after my Next post, you want to send an Envoy to meet him?

[Syberea]

-48 degrees Celsius. Current temperature outside at the time of my posting. Welcome to Far East Russia. (Internet's been acting up past few days, I apologize for my absence)

Still trying to find decent sources for the Sibir' Khanate/Other States of Siberia of the 16th Century. Meh

[Alleniana]

1. Only 2/3 of Mauritania, and about 1/2 of Mali, I mean, you could split them
2. No, I'm almost certain it had a bit of land in today's Niger sort of area...
3. The Ghanans were further north and inland, and also much older

There aren't any "provinces" per se like in Vicky 2 maps; look at Finland, they've butchered Russia's border.

Anyway, it doesn't matter much. Want to trade with me?

I meant dicing up provinces on the map. Some OPs do not allow it.

http://i.imgur.com/WH8Nc8X.png

Something like this

Yeah, though Drako has drawn black lines where he wants borders to be. That's fine.

-48 degrees Celsius. Current temperature outside at the time of my posting. Welcome to Far East Russia. (Internet's been acting up past few days, I apologize for my absence)

Still trying to find decent sources for the Sibir' Khanate/Other States of Siberia of the 16th Century. Meh

Oh wow -48?

[Syberea]

Oh wow -48?

Yeah. I have to go to work in a bit though, so I have no more time to check for sources. Meeehhhh.

Have a nice day everyone. See you all later again if my internet allows it

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

As for trade, who wants to trade with the producer of over half the Old World's gold?

[Alleniana]

As for trade, who wants to trade with the producer of over half the Old World's gold?

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Anyway, it doesn't matter much. Want to trade with me?