Beyond the Atlantic - Alt History 1500 AD RP - OOC/R.I.P

[The Jonathanian States]

Sinai is part of France. And people, stay away from CSA and north Mexico

Speaking of CSA, can those Byzzies in Florida respond to my ships, or should I let them reach coast, or should I simply make them sail away.

[DrakoLand]

Sinai is part of France. And people, stay away from CSA and north Mexico

Speaking of CSA, can those Byzzies in Florida respond to my ships, or should I let them reach coast, or should I simply make them sail away.

Sorry for not responding but I am on a tablet. If you are just going to your colony go ahead, if you are expanding south then you would be stopped.

[The Jonathanian States]

Speaking of CSA, can those Byzzies in Florida respond to my ships, or should I let them reach coast, or should I simply make them sail away.

Sorry for not responding but I am on a tablet. If you are just going to your colony go ahead, if you are expanding south then you would be stopped.

Generally they were about to go deeper south.
But then they saw ships and a settlement on the coast and started approaching it (with no German banners or symbols raised)

[Seljuq Kyiv]

Y U NO ADD SPANISH HISPANOLA?

Because its a map focused on the Baltic?
Al isn't the map-maker.

2. Well no, not really. It might have been on par with France's decentralization before the the first millennium, but by the middle ages, it was well and truly split into pieces.
3.
a) Relatively, meaning compared to others
b) Well, true, but the HRE was never centralized enough to have a capital IRL, so as a capital, it'd be younger than old-ass London, for example
c) I never said anything about that

2. Ok.
Though that doesn't mean that with a charismatic war-hero, who enjoys support of the diet and electorate, it wouldn't manage to reunify.

3
a) I suppose so. And yet, it is older than himself, so........
b) Oh, of course not as capital of the HRE, but as the earlier Capital to the Duchy and Mark of Brandenburg.
c) Not directly, but this relating to you mentioning the other cities as already being major. Also, related to your IC comparison of it to your capitals.
Speaking of which, three capitals?
Is it a kind of system like the Early HREmperors? Where the are "Residence Cities" which would serve as a temporary home for the theoretically nomadic Imperial court?
Or is it kind of federalized/feudalized?

wot? There's a reason yours is called New, and mine is just Guinea.

"Just" Guinea is in west Africa......

Indubitably.

[The Jonathanian States]

Because its a map focused on the Baltic?
Al isn't the map-maker.

2. Ok.
Though that doesn't mean that with a charismatic war-hero, who enjoys support of the diet and electorate, it wouldn't manage to reunify.

3
a) I suppose so. And yet, it is older than himself, so........
b) Oh, of course not as capital of the HRE, but as the earlier Capital to the Duchy and Mark of Brandenburg.
c) Not directly, but this relating to you mentioning the other cities as already being major. Also, related to your IC comparison of it to your capitals.
Speaking of which, three capitals?
Is it a kind of system like the Early HREmperors? Where the are "Residence Cities" which would serve as a temporary home for the theoretically nomadic Imperial court?
Or is it kind of federalized/feudalized?

"Just" Guinea is in west Africa......

Indubitably.

......
So the Safavid Caliphate has decided to, of all places, settle west Africa?

[Aldelxane]

Just gonna leave this here, you still haven't responded to my treaty Seljuq.

[G-Tech Corporation]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/mqw13ma56d9o6y7/1500.png

She's not perfect, still got a few lines to polish up, but that's what I've got so far.

[Seljuq Kyiv]

Indubitably.

......
So the Safavid Caliphate has decided to, of all places, settle west Africa?

No, it's only sailing around Africa the same way the Portuguese did. Probably introduce Muslim missionaries and bring back gifted gold and ivory from the natives, but nothing concrete for now. It is the Swahili Coast I am after at the moment, and the Orient. A string of port towns, a bandar in every strategic site.

[Seljuq Kyiv]

Just gonna leave this here, you still haven't responded to my treaty Seljuq.

I know, sorry. I can't get a post up this week. Maybe I can get one up this weekend.

[The Jonathanian States]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/mqw13ma56d9o6y7/1500.png

She's not perfect, still got a few lines to polish up, but that's what I've got so far.

Wow, that's some deep conquest into India.....

Regardless, nice map.

[G-Tech Corporation]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/mqw13ma56d9o6y7/1500.png

She's not perfect, still got a few lines to polish up, but that's what I've got so far.

Wow, that's some deep conquest into India.....

Regardless, nice map.

Si señor. A one hundred and fifty thousand man army, local allies, and a fractured political structure will do that.

I try. I'm sure I missed someone though.

[The Quab Sultanate]

'tis still open?

[The Jonathanian States]

'tis still open?

Yes.

Wow, that's some deep conquest into India.....

Regardless, nice map.

Si señor. A one hundred and fifty thousand man army, local allies, and a fractured political structure will do that.

I try. I'm sure I missed someone though.

Out of curiosity, that didn't happen historically because?

......
So the Safavid Caliphate has decided to, of all places, settle west Africa?

No, it's only sailing around Africa the same way the Portuguese did. Probably introduce Muslim missionaries and bring back gifted gold and ivory from the natives, but nothing concrete for now. It is the Swahili Coast I am after at the moment, and the Orient. A string of port towns, a bandar in every strategic site.

Ah,ok.
But, as it will be relevant soon, are there any signs related to the Safavids, or their ships or something, still in Guinea, and will they still be there in X time?

[The Quab Sultanate]

Can I play as Vijaynagara?

[G-Tech Corporation]

Out of curiosity, that didn't happen historically because?

I'm no scholar of medieval Indian history, so I can only hazard a guess, but I would presume it was because the Ming IRL were positively isolationist, and the Moslems/their Caliphates had their own problems to deal with, not to mention being less populous than the Indian kingdoms. The Yuan in this RP are like the early Yuan IRL, curious, militaristic, and expansionist. That, coupled with their unity and similar population to the Ganges and Indus areas, allows headway?

[The Jonathanian States]

Out of curiosity, that didn't happen historically because?

I'm no scholar of medieval Indian history, so I can only hazard a guess, but I would presume it was because the Ming IRL were positively isolationist, and the Moslems/their Caliphates had their own problems to deal with, not to mention being less populous than the Indian kingdoms. The Yuan in this RP are like the early Yuan IRL, curious, militaristic, and expansionist. That, coupled with their unity and similar population to the Ganges and Indus areas, allows headway?

Seems logical.

Can I play as Vijaynagara?

AFAIK, no.
The OP usually seems to prefer people taking the mapped out countries.

But I'm not the OP, so I might be wrong.

[G-Tech Corporation]

I'm no scholar of medieval Indian history, so I can only hazard a guess, but I would presume it was because the Ming IRL were positively isolationist, and the Moslems/their Caliphates had their own problems to deal with, not to mention being less populous than the Indian kingdoms. The Yuan in this RP are like the early Yuan IRL, curious, militaristic, and expansionist. That, coupled with their unity and similar population to the Ganges and Indus areas, allows headway?

Seems logical.

Mind you, I'm not sure the Safavids would have been able to conquer Sindh. Battles in this period involves tens of thousands to a hundred thousand men, so a force of fifteen thousand soldiers would be unlikely to conquer a powerful Sindhi kingdom.

[The Jonathanian States]

Seems logical.

Mind you, I'm not sure the Safavids would have been able to conquer Sindh. Battles in this period involves tens of thousands to a hundred thousand men, so a force of fifteen thousand soldiers would be unlikely to conquer a powerful Sindhi kingdom.

I agree.
But actually, back to you, compared to the Quality of, for example aforementioned Sindh, how would you rate your troops?
Would they succeed even if in even numbers?

[G-Tech Corporation]

Mind you, I'm not sure the Safavids would have been able to conquer Sindh. Battles in this period involves tens of thousands to a hundred thousand men, so a force of fifteen thousand soldiers would be unlikely to conquer a powerful Sindhi kingdom.

I agree.
But actually, back to you, compared to the Quality of, for example aforementioned Sindh, how would you rate your troops?
Would they succeed even if in even numbers?

Hmm.

Likely. Most Indian kingdoms would have less industry due to their smaller size, and have smaller tax bases to draw from. Thus they would be able to deploy a smaller percentage of professional soldiers and modern firearms/artillery as compared to my forces, not to mention deploying less men as a general rule. The largest army I saw deployed in a brief wikiwalk by a medieval Indian kingdom was some one hundred and twenty thousand soldiers, and that was a coalition of many smaller kingdoms. So, they could match my numbers potentially if several dozen small kingdoms allied against the Yuan-Mamluk-Ganges coalition, but they'd still suffer from a lack of professionalism, large unit cohesion due to the various contributing states, and firearms/artillery as compared to my forces.

[The Jonathanian States]

I agree.
But actually, back to you, compared to the Quality of, for example aforementioned Sindh, how would you rate your troops?
Would they succeed even if in even numbers?

Hmm.

Likely. Most Indian kingdoms would have less industry due to their smaller size, and have smaller tax bases to draw from. Thus they would be able to deploy a smaller percentage of professional soldiers and modern firearms/artillery as compared to my forces, not to mention deploying less men as a general rule. The largest army I saw deployed in a brief wikiwalk by a medieval Indian kingdom was some one hundred and twenty thousand soldiers, and that was a coalition of many smaller kingdoms. So, they could match my numbers potentially if several dozen small kingdoms allied against the Yuan-Mamluk-Ganges coalition, but they'd still suffer from a lack of professionalism, large unit cohesion due to the various contributing states, and firearms/artillery as compared to my forces.

I see.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Hmm.

Likely. Most Indian kingdoms would have less industry due to their smaller size, and have smaller tax bases to draw from. Thus they would be able to deploy a smaller percentage of professional soldiers and modern firearms/artillery as compared to my forces, not to mention deploying less men as a general rule. The largest army I saw deployed in a brief wikiwalk by a medieval Indian kingdom was some one hundred and twenty thousand soldiers, and that was a coalition of many smaller kingdoms. So, they could match my numbers potentially if several dozen small kingdoms allied against the Yuan-Mamluk-Ganges coalition, but they'd still suffer from a lack of professionalism, large unit cohesion due to the various contributing states, and firearms/artillery as compared to my forces.

I see.

That's just my take. Sensible?

Also, "China stronk!"

[The Jonathanian States]

I see.

That's just my take. Sensible?

Also, "China stronk!"

Seems so.

That being said, again, completely ignoring numbers, though now also those of weaponry, that means, only in terms of training and discipline/independence, how would you rate your troops to them?


Also,Germany stronker! *points at fleet of Caravels which teleported rapidly sailed up the Yuan rivers*

[G-Tech Corporation]

That's just my take. Sensible?

Also, "China stronk!"

Seems so.

That being said, again, completely ignoring numbers, though now also those of weaponry, that means, only in terms of training and discipline/independence, how would you rate your troops to them?


Also,Germany stronker! *points at fleet of Caravels which teleported rapidly sailed up the Yuan rivers*

Tough to say; in terms of discipline and training I'd put the individual Imperial soldier above an Indian warrior, due to the longer existence of the Yuan armies and therefore greater amount of time to refine their training techniques. Discipline and independence-wise, Yuan soldiers are very well-drilled in formation tactics, and trained to be part of one of said formations. If each soldier only has to concentrate on his pike, his firearm, or his bow, and not worry about the men to his sides and the flanks, or any squad-based tactics, a Yuan trooper would be nearly unshakeable. If that formation was broken though, or it's flank turned, then he would be prone to panic and rout, as your average Yuan trooper is not familiar with that situation. Underofficers are trained to rally their men and form small infantry squares to reform broken lines, but the combat capabilities of a broken Yuan unit are far decreased compared to say, a unit of European knights, who are used to fighting alone or in small groups. That said, Yuan cavalry hosts and Nurmin are far more capable of operating independently as compared to their infantry brethren.

So, I'd say your average Indian soldier is more capable of tactical flexibility and retaining morale in the face of military disaster, but less well trained and far less disciplined.

[The Jonathanian States]

Seems so.

That being said, again, completely ignoring numbers, though now also those of weaponry, that means, only in terms of training and discipline/independence, how would you rate your troops to them?


Also,Germany stronker! *points at fleet of Caravels which teleported rapidly sailed up the Yuan rivers*

Tough to say; in terms of discipline and training I'd put the individual Imperial soldier above an Indian warrior, due to the longer existence of the Yuan armies and therefore greater amount of time to refine their training techniques. Discipline and independence-wise, Yuan soldiers are very well-drilled in formation tactics, and trained to be part of one of said formations. If each soldier only has to concentrate on his pike, his firearm, or his bow, and not worry about the men to his sides and the flanks, or any squad-based tactics, a Yuan trooper would be nearly unshakeable. If that formation was broken though, or it's flank turned, then he would be prone to panic and rout, as your average Yuan trooper is not familiar with that situation. Underofficers are trained to rally their men and form small infantry squares to reform broken lines, but the combat capabilities of a broken Yuan unit are far decreased compared to say, a unit of European knights, who are used to fighting alone or in small groups. That said, Yuan cavalry hosts and Nurmin are far more capable of operating independently as compared to their infantry brethren.

So, I'd say your average Indian soldier is more capable of tactical flexibility and retaining morale in the face of military disaster, but less well trained and far less disciplined.

Mhm.
But I suppose that with industrial advantage and massive numerical advantage there's no realistic fear of your formations being crushed in that war......

[G-Tech Corporation]

Tough to say; in terms of discipline and training I'd put the individual Imperial soldier above an Indian warrior, due to the longer existence of the Yuan armies and therefore greater amount of time to refine their training techniques. Discipline and independence-wise, Yuan soldiers are very well-drilled in formation tactics, and trained to be part of one of said formations. If each soldier only has to concentrate on his pike, his firearm, or his bow, and not worry about the men to his sides and the flanks, or any squad-based tactics, a Yuan trooper would be nearly unshakeable. If that formation was broken though, or it's flank turned, then he would be prone to panic and rout, as your average Yuan trooper is not familiar with that situation. Underofficers are trained to rally their men and form small infantry squares to reform broken lines, but the combat capabilities of a broken Yuan unit are far decreased compared to say, a unit of European knights, who are used to fighting alone or in small groups. That said, Yuan cavalry hosts and Nurmin are far more capable of operating independently as compared to their infantry brethren.

So, I'd say your average Indian soldier is more capable of tactical flexibility and retaining morale in the face of military disaster, but less well trained and far less disciplined.

Mhm.
But I suppose that with industrial advantage and massive numerical advantage there's no realistic fear of your formations being crushed in that war......

There's always the risk of a successful flanking maneuver or shock charge; my soldiers, for instance, likely still aren't very experienced at dealing with war elephants, and so if massed volleys don't scare away the beasts or slay them, a successful charge could break an inexperienced Yuan unit. Similarly, if a small Yuan advance force was enveloped or had it's flanks turned, a loss of unit cohesion would be a very real danger.