Beyond the Atlantic - Alt History 1500 AD RP - OOC/R.I.P

[Aldelxane]

So, how large are people's territories in the new world right now?

0 square miles, but I plan to change that at some point. Can people give the Greater Antilles a wide berth? That's where I plan to land my settlers after I send ships through the Mediterranean.

Edit: Oops, that's Spanish. I gotta move fast if I want anything. Not sure how to get past the Mamluks before I defeat them however. Maybe I could sneak a couple dhows past?

[Elderowa]

I thought you mentioned it taking a few years (after I commented about it probably being so).......
Also, why would they actually want to head east, unknowing of the major continent there.......

It will take a few years to get to Tahiti, but after we've learned of this new Continent, we're curious as to see what's past it. Of course, we also need to establish a colony on all the most recent discovered island when we discover them.

[Aldelxane]

Which NPC rules the Sinai Peninsula right now? If I can convince them to let me move settlers over it and if I can get some ships for them, I could move right away.

Edit: There needs to be AH for it being separate from Egypt on the map, as RL it was part of Egypt at the time.

[Alleniana]

Which NPC rules the Sinai Peninsula right now? If I can convince them to let me move settlers over it and if I can get some ships for them, I could move right away.

Edit: There needs to be AH for it being separate from Egypt on the map, as RL it was part of Egypt at the time.

I think it's a Crusader State.

As for timescale, I can deal with most, but I think colonization is going a bit fast; Asian ships crossing Pacific? :/ Surely not in 1500?

[Adurnak]

So, how large are people's territories in the new world right now?

0km^2 atm, I may flip-flop back and forth over bothering to make some colonies in the new world for a while yet :L.

@Jonathan would you mind starting the diplomatic process in Berlin? I intend to say my king arrived in my last Ic post when I get a chance to edit it.

@Drako and Russia(sorry I forgot the name), btw do you mind that I kind of stole the cossacks after letting them live in my land kind of unmolested?

[The Nation of Hay]

Which NPC rules the Sinai Peninsula right now? If I can convince them to let me move settlers over it and if I can get some ships for them, I could move right away.

Edit: There needs to be AH for it being separate from Egypt on the map, as RL it was part of Egypt at the time.

I think it's a Crusader State.

As for timescale, I can deal with most, but I think colonization is going a bit fast; Asian ships crossing Pacific? :/ Surely not in 1500?

Yep, that's mine :3

[Aldelxane]

Which NPC rules the Sinai Peninsula right now? If I can convince them to let me move settlers over it and if I can get some ships for them, I could move right away.

Edit: There needs to be AH for it being separate from Egypt on the map, as RL it was part of Egypt at the time.

I think it's a Crusader State.

As for timescale, I can deal with most, but I think colonization is going a bit fast; Asian ships crossing Pacific? :/ Surely not in 1500?

RL it was controlled by the Mamluk Sultanate.

Edit: Oh. If it's not one of the double colored things, I'm going to have to ask Hay if I can pass.

[Aldelxane]

I think it's a Crusader State.

As for timescale, I can deal with most, but I think colonization is going a bit fast; Asian ships crossing Pacific? :/ Surely not in 1500?

Yep, that's mine :3

If it's yours, I'm going to be sending some colonists through there, and I'm deciding whether to drag a ship overland or buy a ship there.

Edit: Checked the OP, it is.

Edit: I'm going to purchase ships once I reach the Mediterranean.

[Alleniana]

If all is fine, I shall have the Finnish king sign over his lands, and "officially" end the war. There'll still be fighting in the wilds for years to come though (maybe).

[Baja California y Sonora]

Anything open?

[The Jonathanian States]

So, how large are people's territories in the new world right now?

Claimed or factual settlements?

I thought you mentioned it taking a few years (after I commented about it probably being so).......
Also, why would they actually want to head east, unknowing of the major continent there.......

It will take a few years to get to Tahiti, but after we've learned of this new Continent, we're curious as to see what's past it. Of course, we also need to establish a colony on all the most recent discovered island when we discover them.

Oh, that post made it simply seem to me as if you intended to rush them down in the next three-four posts.
Also, I thought Drak said the west knows of the continent and the east still doesn't?

Which NPC rules the Sinai Peninsula right now? If I can convince them to let me move settlers over it and if I can get some ships for them, I could move right away.

Edit: There needs to be AH for it being separate from Egypt on the map, as RL it was part of Egypt at the time.

I think it's a Crusader State.

As for timescale, I can deal with most, but I think colonization is going a bit fast; Asian ships crossing Pacific? :/ Surely not in 1500?

I thought the war was quite rapid too; Then you posted a map.
Yes, it definitely is.
Going slightly east I'd actually easily see happening, Philippines, Indonesia,sure. But towards Polynesia the Islands should start getting smaller and worth less.

So, how large are people's territories in the new world right now?

0km^2 atm, I may flip-flop back and forth over bothering to make some colonies in the new world for a while yet :L.

@Jonathan would you mind starting the diplomatic process in Berlin? I intend to say my king arrived in my last Ic post when I get a chance to edit it.

@Drako and Russia(sorry I forgot the name), btw do you mind that I kind of stole the cossacks after letting them live in my land kind of unmolested?

I'd hope for you to first edit the post, so I know what I answer to......

Anything open?

Wales, Scotland.
Egypt. Morocco.
Portugal, I think.
One of the central-Asian steppe nations.
Finland (thought its close to being annexed)
Lombardy,Venice,Hungary,Serbia,Bulgaria,Romania
Popeland.

[Alleniana]

So, how large are people's territories in the new world right now?

Claimed or factual settlements?

It will take a few years to get to Tahiti, but after we've learned of this new Continent, we're curious as to see what's past it. Of course, we also need to establish a colony on all the most recent discovered island when we discover them.

Oh, that post made it simply seem to me as if you intended to rush them down in the next three-four posts.
Also, I thought Drak said the west knows of the continent and the east still doesn't?

I think it's a Crusader State.

As for timescale, I can deal with most, but I think colonization is going a bit fast; Asian ships crossing Pacific? :/ Surely not in 1500?

I thought the war was quite rapid too; Then you posted a map.
Yes, it definitely is.
Going slightly east I'd actually easily see happening, Philippines, Indonesia,sure. But towards Polynesia the Islands should start getting smaller and worth less.

0km^2 atm, I may flip-flop back and forth over bothering to make some colonies in the new world for a while yet :L.

@Jonathan would you mind starting the diplomatic process in Berlin? I intend to say my king arrived in my last Ic post when I get a chance to edit it.

@Drako and Russia(sorry I forgot the name), btw do you mind that I kind of stole the cossacks after letting them live in my land kind of unmolested?

I'd hope for you to first edit the post, so I know what I answer to......

Anything open?

Wales, Scotland.
Egypt. Morocco.
Portugal, I think.
One of the central-Asian steppe nations.
Finland (thought its close to being annexed)
Lombardy,Venice,Hungary,Serbia,Bulgaria,Romania
Popeland.

I have a few towns of a few hundred large in Greenland; from north to south, Norhavn, Norwego-Danish, Hvidebyen, Norwego-Danish, and Birkibaer, Icelandic.

As for Finland, after my next post, except map deuxieme.

[Alleniana]

Sorry for double post, but I have to say, goddamn, I got carried away in that battle.

[The Jonathanian States]

Claimed or factual settlements?

Oh, that post made it simply seem to me as if you intended to rush them down in the next three-four posts.
Also, I thought Drak said the west knows of the continent and the east still doesn't?

I thought the war was quite rapid too; Then you posted a map.
Yes, it definitely is.
Going slightly east I'd actually easily see happening, Philippines, Indonesia,sure. But towards Polynesia the Islands should start getting smaller and worth less.

I'd hope for you to first edit the post, so I know what I answer to......

Wales, Scotland.
Egypt. Morocco.
Portugal, I think.
One of the central-Asian steppe nations.
Finland (thought its close to being annexed)
Lombardy,Venice,Hungary,Serbia,Bulgaria,Romania
Popeland.

I have a few towns of a few hundred large in Greenland; from north to south, Norhavn, Norwego-Danish, Hvidebyen, Norwego-Danish, and Birkibaer, Icelandic.

As for Finland, after my next post, except map deuxieme.

I have two Settlements in the 13 Colonies.
Though one of them was actually started by the first one (without additional support from the homeland).

That being said, I have some commentary to your post:
As was also hinted at in the Invitation, it is not the HRE anymore, it's the German Realm/Empire (Deutsches Reich).
Additionally, as has been mentioned in the OP (its name change has been too), it actually has managed to centralize from the de-jure structure it was historically.
Additionally, Berlin would not be a new city here.

EDIT:
But the battlepart was quite awesome, I must say.

[Alleniana]

I have a few towns of a few hundred large in Greenland; from north to south, Norhavn, Norwego-Danish, Hvidebyen, Norwego-Danish, and Birkibaer, Icelandic.

As for Finland, after my next post, except map deuxieme.

I have two Settlements in the 13 Colonies.
Though one of them was actually started by the first one (without additional support from the homeland).

That being said, I have some commentary to your post:
As was also hinted at in the Invitation, it is not the HRE anymore, it's the German Realm/Empire (Deutsches Reich).
Additionally, as has been mentioned in the OP (its name change has been too), it actually has managed to centralize from the de-jure structure it was historically.
Additionally, Berlin would not be a new city here.

1. Ok, will edit
2. I know, but I suspect you will rank among the less centralized states of Europe nonetheless, and Karl I has never been particularly impressed with HRE anyway spindoctoring
3. Why is that?
"The central part of Berlin can be traced back to two towns. Cölln on the Fischerinsel is first mentioned in a 1237 document, and Berlin, across the Spree in what is now called the Nikolaiviertel, is referenced in a document from 1244."
-Wikipedia

Considering that by 1244, London, Paris, Novgorod, Rome, Constantinople, Barcelona, Cordoba, Moscow (?), etc. would have all already been rather major cities, i think it is safe to say that Berlin is relatively new.

[Adurnak]

0km^2 atm, I may flip-flop back and forth over bothering to make some colonies in the new world for a while yet :L.

@Jonathan would you mind starting the diplomatic process in Berlin? I intend to say my king arrived in my last Ic post when I get a chance to edit it.

@Drako and Russia(sorry I forgot the name), btw do you mind that I kind of stole the cossacks after letting them live in my land kind of unmolested?

I'd hope for you to first edit the post, so I know what I answer to......

.[/quote]
Yeah, I'm sorry about that, I'm just busy, I'll post today

Edit: alright, I've got the edit in saying my main man (the king) arrived in Berlin now

[Alleniana]

Made a map of all battles in the Conquest of Finland so far:
http://i.imgur.com/miRQ7S8.png

[The Jonathanian States]

Made a map of all battles in the Conquest of Finland so far:
http://i.imgur.com/miRQ7S8.png

Nice....

I'd hope for you to first edit the post, so I know what I answer to......

.
Yeah, I'm sorry about that, I'm just busy, I'll post today

No need to apologize.....

I have two Settlements in the 13 Colonies.
Though one of them was actually started by the first one (without additional support from the homeland).

That being said, I have some commentary to your post:
As was also hinted at in the Invitation, it is not the HRE anymore, it's the German Realm/Empire (Deutsches Reich).
Additionally, as has been mentioned in the OP (its name change has been too), it actually has managed to centralize from the de-jure structure it was historically.
Additionally, Berlin would not be a new city here.

1. Ok, will edit
2. I know, but I suspect you will rank among the less centralized states of Europe nonetheless, and Karl I has never been particularly impressed with HRE anyway spindoctoring
3. Why is that?
"The central part of Berlin can be traced back to two towns. Cölln on the Fischerinsel is first mentioned in a 1237 document, and Berlin, across the Spree in what is now called the Nikolaiviertel, is referenced in a document from 1244."
-Wikipedia

Considering that by 1244, London, Paris, Novgorod, Rome, Constantinople, Barcelona, Cordoba, Moscow (?), etc. would have all already been rather major cities, i think it is safe to say that Berlin is relatively new.

1. Thanks
2. The HRE wasn't that decentralized in the first half of the millenium, IIRC^{I may remember that wrong, though}, and only had its decline into a mere de jure body later.
The events launching its centraliation ^{Which I explained in my history, to some extent} would therefore have happened before it became too decentralzed, pulling it back on track and minimizing any major decentralization in comparison to its neighbors.
Now, if he isn't impressed by it for other reasons, I can't really say anything else, I suppose.
3
Yes, I know.
But a) Regardless of how it is comparatively, 250+ years are not new, at least, in my understanding of the word.
b) This is, Alt-His after all, isn't it? And I assume that this city being founded earlier wouldn't have any major influence on other topics?
c) Even if it indeed was founded in 1244, becoming the capital of a steadily centralizing nation in the centre of europe would definitely make it experience major boosts in size,wealth, and population.

EDIT:
Fixing a quote.
EDIT2:
Fixing were I placed the edit-text

[Alleniana]

Made a map of all battles in the Conquest of Finland so far:
http://i.imgur.com/miRQ7S8.png

Nice....

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Yeah, I'm sorry about that, I'm just busy, I'll post today

No need to apologize.....

1. Ok, will edit
2. I know, but I suspect you will rank among the less centralized states of Europe nonetheless, and Karl I has never been particularly impressed with HRE anyway spindoctoring
3. Why is that?
"The central part of Berlin can be traced back to two towns. Cölln on the Fischerinsel is first mentioned in a 1237 document, and Berlin, across the Spree in what is now called the Nikolaiviertel, is referenced in a document from 1244."
-Wikipedia

Considering that by 1244, London, Paris, Novgorod, Rome, Constantinople, Barcelona, Cordoba, Moscow (?), etc. would have all already been rather major cities, i think it is safe to say that Berlin is relatively new.

1. Thanks
2. The HRE wasn't that decentralized in the first half of the millenium, IIRC^{I may remember that wrong, though}, and only had its decline into a mere de jure body later.
The events launching its centraliation ^{Which I explained in my history, to some extent} would therefore have happened before it became too decentralzed, pulling it back on track and minimizing any major decentralization in comparison to its neighbors.
Now, if he isn't impressed by it for other reasons, I can't really say anything else, I suppose.
3
Yes, I know.
But a) Regardless of how it is comparatively, 250+ years are not new, at least, in my understanding of the word.
b) This is, Alt-His after all, isn't it? And I assume that this city being founded earlier wouldn't have any major influence on other topics?
c) Even if it indeed was founded in 1244, becoming the capital of a steadily centralizing nation in the centre of europe would definitely make it experience major boosts in size,wealth, and population.

EDIT:
Fixing a quote.
EDIT2:
Fixing were I placed the edit-text

2. Well no, not really. It might have been on par with France's decentralization before the the first millennium, but by the middle ages, it was well and truly split into pieces.
3.
a) Relatively, meaning compared to others
b) Well, true, but the HRE was never centralized enough to have a capital IRL, so as a capital, it'd be younger than old-ass London, for example
c) I never said anything about that

[Seljuq Kyiv]

Yo, Seljuq, New Guinea Is mine. You can land there, but you can't own any of it.

wot? There's a reason yours is called New, and mine is just Guinea.

[Sebtopiaris]

Made a map of all battles in the Conquest of Finland so far:
http://i.imgur.com/miRQ7S8.png

Y U NO ADD SPANISH HISPANOLA?

[The Jonathanian States]

Made a map of all battles in the Conquest of Finland so far:
http://i.imgur.com/miRQ7S8.png

Y U NO ADD SPANISH HISPANOLA?

Because its a map focused on the Baltic?
Al isn't the map-maker.

Nice....

No need to apologize.....

1. Thanks
2. The HRE wasn't that decentralized in the first half of the millenium, IIRC^{I may remember that wrong, though}, and only had its decline into a mere de jure body later.
The events launching its centraliation ^{Which I explained in my history, to some extent} would therefore have happened before it became too decentralzed, pulling it back on track and minimizing any major decentralization in comparison to its neighbors.
Now, if he isn't impressed by it for other reasons, I can't really say anything else, I suppose.
3
Yes, I know.
But a) Regardless of how it is comparatively, 250+ years are not new, at least, in my understanding of the word.
b) This is, Alt-His after all, isn't it? And I assume that this city being founded earlier wouldn't have any major influence on other topics?
c) Even if it indeed was founded in 1244, becoming the capital of a steadily centralizing nation in the centre of europe would definitely make it experience major boosts in size,wealth, and population.

EDIT:
Fixing a quote.
EDIT2:
Fixing were I placed the edit-text

2. Well no, not really. It might have been on par with France's decentralization before the the first millennium, but by the middle ages, it was well and truly split into pieces.
3.
a) Relatively, meaning compared to others
b) Well, true, but the HRE was never centralized enough to have a capital IRL, so as a capital, it'd be younger than old-ass London, for example
c) I never said anything about that

2. Ok.
Though that doesn't mean that with a charismatic war-hero, who enjoys support of the diet and electorate, it wouldn't manage to reunify.

3
a) I suppose so. And yet, it is older than himself, so........
b) Oh, of course not as capital of the HRE, but as the earlier Capital to the Duchy and Mark of Brandenburg.
c) Not directly, but this relating to you mentioning the other cities as already being major. Also, related to your IC comparison of it to your capitals.
Speaking of which, three capitals?
Is it a kind of system like the Early HREmperors? Where the are "Residence Cities" which would serve as a temporary home for the theoretically nomadic Imperial court?
Or is it kind of federalized/feudalized?

Yo, Seljuq, New Guinea Is mine. You can land there, but you can't own any of it.

wot? There's a reason yours is called New, and mine is just Guinea.

"Just" Guinea is in west Africa......

[Adurnak]

Hey Jonathan I had some free time so the editing of my king entering Berlin, into my Ic post has happened

[The Jonathanian States]

Hey Jonathan I had some free time so the editing of my king entering Berlin, into my Ic post has happened

Great.
I'll respond to both you and Allen, now.

[DrakoLand]

Sinai is part of France. And people, stay away from CSA and north Mexico