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Postby Legital » Sun Jan 12, 2014 1:36 am

Alleniana wrote:
Mincaldenteans wrote:Unlikely that my past experience matter but we had the same issue with 'simming' via chatrooms or email based. The only thing we could do was ask each OP to present a piece of literature that was worthy of that month and submit it to a 'council' of OPs. Now... considering the amount of RPs that are in P2TM, and the many that can be nominated, those that are nominated within a specific timeframe will be given a chance, and those that are not will be considered for the future (if there is one).

Its not perfect, but a forum based nomination is next to impossible.

For example: I got nominated for worldbuilder and most involved in RPs. I personally don't agree but am thankful for those that thought otherwise. In a given dateline, maybe I could have won, or maybe it wouldn't have even mattered. And award system based on creative writing and planning is next to impossible as a permanent feature, let alone a yearly feature. I went with it to nominate those whose efforts need to be recognized, but what's to say than an author who churned up a piece of genius in December/January doesn't deserve the same recognition?

In my opinion: if this were to happen a monthly scheme would need to happen followed by a sort of personal memo by the winner on what makes their RP unique (is it the characters? The plot? The setting? The outline to make it function?).

Am I narrowing it too much? Most definitely. Am I also attempting at broadening the nominations? You bet'cha. Creativity and originality shouldn't be funneled through a specific channel, but it shouldn't be laxed off either. I haven't figured out how a monthly award system should be recognized, maybe a bi-yearly.... in the end I surmise by saying the options shouldn't be so hastily narrowed. I myself found it difficult to nominated who in which genre and what category given.

I think some really good points are brought up here. I don't think a best post nomination should really be there at all; there's just too much that goes unread to be able to find anything that could be near to "the best".

And as to the timeframe, I actually think a monthly vote might be something we could have a bit of fun with. It might make P2TM a bit more competitive, but it won't really be compulsory. After all, I can hardly remember my first posts, and they were nearly exactly 1 year ago. Broadening vote categories and making them more frequent would make this way fairer.


I can agree with this. This seems like a splendid idea if people get on board with this.
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Postby Mincaldenteans » Sun Jan 12, 2014 1:41 am

Alleniana wrote:
Mincaldenteans wrote:Unlikely that my past experience matter but we had the same issue with 'simming' via chatrooms or email based. The only thing we could do was ask each OP to present a piece of literature that was worthy of that month and submit it to a 'council' of OPs. Now... considering the amount of RPs that are in P2TM, and the many that can be nominated, those that are nominated within a specific timeframe will be given a chance, and those that are not will be considered for the future (if there is one).

Its not perfect, but a forum based nomination is next to impossible.

For example: I got nominated for worldbuilder and most involved in RPs. I personally don't agree but am thankful for those that thought otherwise. In a given dateline, maybe I could have won, or maybe it wouldn't have even mattered. And award system based on creative writing and planning is next to impossible as a permanent feature, let alone a yearly feature. I went with it to nominate those whose efforts need to be recognized, but what's to say than an author who churned up a piece of genius in December/January doesn't deserve the same recognition?

In my opinion: if this were to happen a monthly scheme would need to happen followed by a sort of personal memo by the winner on what makes their RP unique (is it the characters? The plot? The setting? The outline to make it function?).

Am I narrowing it too much? Most definitely. Am I also attempting at broadening the nominations? You bet'cha. Creativity and originality shouldn't be funneled through a specific channel, but it shouldn't be laxed off either. I haven't figured out how a monthly award system should be recognized, maybe a bi-yearly.... in the end I surmise by saying the options shouldn't be so hastily narrowed. I myself found it difficult to nominated who in which genre and what category given.

I think some really good points are brought up here. I don't think a best post nomination should really be there at all; there's just too much that goes unread to be able to find anything that could be near to "the best".

And as to the timeframe, I actually think a monthly vote might be something we could have a bit of fun with. It might make P2TM a bit more competitive, but it won't really be compulsory. After all, I can hardly remember my first posts, and they were nearly exactly 1 year ago. Broadening vote categories and making them more frequent would make this way fairer.


Exactly. It shouldn't be narrowed and shouldn't be felt as though it would become elitist or a match to keep upping the ante. That in itself has been a thorn in my paw (though that is MY perception and very much so to differ from the rest). Every month, we could have those PARTICIPATING OPs submit a post, char, player that they feel has improved.

How will this be judged? In terms of forums: links are required. An explanation on why said nomination is deserved. Would it discount another player? Absolutely not. They have another month, again this is based on participation of the OP. I suppose I'm trying to eliminate "elitism" and "favoritism", will is succeed? No. We are ALL proud of our efforts, we can only hope and act on fairness. Those OPs that participate will have their nominations considered. The 'normal' players will also have their opinions considered, the idea here is to eliminate a yearly round which is too much to narrow down and select from (I'm guilty of having one or two post I'm proud of and not recognized).

OPs themselves should not be presurred into participating. Life happens and when we can get to it, we'll get to it. Players are known to jump from one RP to another, and what they present and how they present themselves will determine their nomination. Its a very concerted effort, creativity is not easily as narrowed nor channeled to such an extent. Possible? Maybe. Impossible? No. Dedication? Most definitely.

And when it draws down to it: is it not what we're looking for? The most dedicated? The most involved? The most that put forth their ounce of energy to make an RP happen? Will it devolve into another favoritism and/or elitism precept? I don't know - and that's about the best you'll get from me in terms of such a broad and grey area of P2TM.

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Postby Zarkenis Ultima » Sun Jan 12, 2014 1:47 am

Mincaldenteans wrote:
Alleniana wrote:I think some really good points are brought up here. I don't think a best post nomination should really be there at all; there's just too much that goes unread to be able to find anything that could be near to "the best".

And as to the timeframe, I actually think a monthly vote might be something we could have a bit of fun with. It might make P2TM a bit more competitive, but it won't really be compulsory. After all, I can hardly remember my first posts, and they were nearly exactly 1 year ago. Broadening vote categories and making them more frequent would make this way fairer.


Exactly. It shouldn't be narrowed and shouldn't be felt as though it would become elitist or a match to keep upping the ante. That in itself has been a thorn in my paw (though that is MY perception and very much so to differ from the rest). Every month, we could have those PARTICIPATING OPs submit a post, char, player that they feel has improved.

How will this be judged? In terms of forums: links are required. An explanation on why said nomination is deserved. Would it discount another player? Absolutely not. They have another month, again this is based on participation of the OP. I suppose I'm trying to eliminate "elitism" and "favoritism", will is succeed? No. We are ALL proud of our efforts, we can only hope and act on fairness. Those OPs that participate will have their nominations considered. The 'normal' players will also have their opinions considered, the idea here is to eliminate a yearly round which is too much to narrow down and select from (I'm guilty of having one or two post I'm proud of and not recognized).

OPs themselves should not be presurred into participating. Life happens and when we can get to it, we'll get to it. Players are known to jump from one RP to another, and what they present and how they present themselves will determine their nomination. Its a very concerted effort, creativity is not easily as narrowed nor channeled to such an extent. Possible? Maybe. Impossible? No. Dedication? Most definitely.

And when it draws down to it: is it not what we're looking for? The most dedicated? The most involved? The most that put forth their ounce of energy to make an RP happen? Will it devolve into another favoritism and/or elitism precept? I don't know - and that's about the best you'll get from me in terms of such a broad and grey area of P2TM.


This sort of reminds me of Esty's old "RP Of The Week"... Initiative, I guess?

Anyway, I think that if someone actually ends up doing this, perhaps it could (Without making participation compulsory or anything) be used to bring the community together. The idea I gave back then was that maybe RPs could 'sponsor' the contest (Or awards or whatever) by advertising it in their RP and the contest's manager could advertise it in the awards thread.

It might not be practical or anything, but it's just a suggestion and since this discussion reminded me of that, I just thought I'd toss it out there.
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Postby Mincaldenteans » Sun Jan 12, 2014 1:59 am

Zarkenis Ultima wrote:
Mincaldenteans wrote:
Exactly. It shouldn't be narrowed and shouldn't be felt as though it would become elitist or a match to keep upping the ante. That in itself has been a thorn in my paw (though that is MY perception and very much so to differ from the rest). Every month, we could have those PARTICIPATING OPs submit a post, char, player that they feel has improved.

How will this be judged? In terms of forums: links are required. An explanation on why said nomination is deserved. Would it discount another player? Absolutely not. They have another month, again this is based on participation of the OP. I suppose I'm trying to eliminate "elitism" and "favoritism", will is succeed? No. We are ALL proud of our efforts, we can only hope and act on fairness. Those OPs that participate will have their nominations considered. The 'normal' players will also have their opinions considered, the idea here is to eliminate a yearly round which is too much to narrow down and select from (I'm guilty of having one or two post I'm proud of and not recognized).

OPs themselves should not be presurred into participating. Life happens and when we can get to it, we'll get to it. Players are known to jump from one RP to another, and what they present and how they present themselves will determine their nomination. Its a very concerted effort, creativity is not easily as narrowed nor channeled to such an extent. Possible? Maybe. Impossible? No. Dedication? Most definitely.

And when it draws down to it: is it not what we're looking for? The most dedicated? The most involved? The most that put forth their ounce of energy to make an RP happen? Will it devolve into another favoritism and/or elitism precept? I don't know - and that's about the best you'll get from me in terms of such a broad and grey area of P2TM.


This sort of reminds me of Esty's old "RP Of The Week"... Initiative, I guess?

Anyway, I think that if someone actually ends up doing this, perhaps it could (Without making participation compulsory or anything) be used to bring the community together. The idea I gave back then was that maybe RPs could 'sponsor' the contest (Or awards or whatever) by advertising it in their RP and the contest's manager could advertise it in the awards thread.

It might not be practical or anything, but it's just a suggestion and since this discussion reminded me of that, I just thought I'd toss it out there.


There ya go. Its not compulsory, its voluntary. The thread would need to be sticky'ed to get continually updated but the premise and objective will always stay the same. Sure we won't get a nifty badge to show our monthly prize but at least we can attempt to bring the players of P2TM closer together.

Maybe a player got voted for best action, and s/he can explain what they did to envision their post.
Or its an OP that saved their RP from virtual oblivion.

None of it is perfect, but such information is useful in the end. I personally stalk several RPs to see how OPs, Co-Ops, and players work together. Nothing quite puts it in perspective from THEIR view. And in the end, I can shamelessly say I want that and indeed needed for P2TM. I'm not looking for perfection or a perfect solution, I'm looking for a community that IS a community without reservation. I joined late, and the very people that accepted my applications were complete strangers to me.

Can we say for the rest of them?

Can we look upon the future without pre-determination and expectations?

Can we learn from the reward system?

Is there something we can learn from one another?

Yes to all.

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Postby Zarkenis Ultima » Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:03 am

Mincaldenteans wrote:
Zarkenis Ultima wrote:
This sort of reminds me of Esty's old "RP Of The Week"... Initiative, I guess?

Anyway, I think that if someone actually ends up doing this, perhaps it could (Without making participation compulsory or anything) be used to bring the community together. The idea I gave back then was that maybe RPs could 'sponsor' the contest (Or awards or whatever) by advertising it in their RP and the contest's manager could advertise it in the awards thread.

It might not be practical or anything, but it's just a suggestion and since this discussion reminded me of that, I just thought I'd toss it out there.


There ya go. Its not compulsory, its voluntary. The thread would need to be sticky'ed to get continually updated but the premise and objective will always stay the same. Sure we won't get a nifty badge to show our monthly prize but at least we can attempt to bring the players of P2TM closer together.

Maybe a player got voted for best action, and s/he can explain what they did to envision their post.
Or its an OP that saved their RP from virtual oblivion.

None of it is perfect, but such information is useful in the end. I personally stalk several RPs to see how OPs, Co-Ops, and players work together. Nothing quite puts it in perspective from THEIR view. And in the end, I can shamelessly say I want that and indeed needed for P2TM. I'm not looking for perfection or a perfect solution, I'm looking for a community that IS a community without reservation. I joined late, and the very people that accepted my applications were complete strangers to me.

Can we say for the rest of them?

Can we look upon the future without pre-determination and expectations?

Can we learn from the reward system?

Is there something we can learn from one another?

Yes to all.


-Thumbs up-

I don't really have much else to say. :P.
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Postby Mincaldenteans » Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:09 am

Zarkenis Ultima wrote:
-Thumbs up-

I don't really have much else to say. :P.


I only hope the others agree. Even if they don't I'm open to their criticism. For all I know, I'm being too much an idealist and too little a realist. :lol:

All in stride!

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Postby Zarkenis Ultima » Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:22 am

Mincaldenteans wrote:
Zarkenis Ultima wrote:
-Thumbs up-

I don't really have much else to say. :P.


I only hope the others agree. Even if they don't I'm open to their criticism. For all I know, I'm being too much an idealist and too little a realist. :lol:

All in stride!


Well, I personally agree. I don't think you're being too idealist, and even then, wanting a better community is not a bad thing (And if it is, fuck the meta, I'm guilty too). Besides, it seems to me that the project, while ambitious, isn't really that far-fetched.

Anyway, good night.
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Postby Jessjohnesik » Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:23 am

Mincaldenteans wrote:
Zarkenis Ultima wrote:
-Thumbs up-

I don't really have much else to say. :P.


I only hope the others agree. Even if they don't I'm open to their criticism. For all I know, I'm being too much an idealist and too little a realist. :lol:

All in stride!


I don't know...

I think the current community is fine and you don't need to intermix.
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Postby Mincaldenteans » Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:26 am

Jessjohnesik wrote:
Mincaldenteans wrote:
I only hope the others agree. Even if they don't I'm open to their criticism. For all I know, I'm being too much an idealist and too little a realist. :lol:

All in stride!


I don't know...

I think the current community is fine and you don't need to intermix.


Intermix'ed...how? Intermixing the reward system? Intermixing the information given? Which aspect would you leave out or keep in?

The question is vague, Jess. And yes I'm totally challenging you to it.

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Postby Alleniana » Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:29 am

Mincaldenteans wrote:
Zarkenis Ultima wrote:
-Thumbs up-

I don't really have much else to say. :P.


I only hope the others agree. Even if they don't I'm open to their criticism. For all I know, I'm being too much an idealist and too little a realist. :lol:

All in stride!

^ Zark

Eloquence :p

I'm not great at this sort of stuff, but a thread in which the community nominates frequently, spreads ideas and gives whoever has gone that extra mile every <insert period of time> gets a bit of showy-offiness :p is definitely something that appeals to me.

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Postby Jessjohnesik » Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:31 am

Mincaldenteans wrote:
Jessjohnesik wrote:
I don't know...

I think the current community is fine and you don't need to intermix.


Intermix'ed...how? Intermixing the reward system? Intermixing the information given? Which aspect would you leave out or keep in?

The question is vague, Jess. And yes I'm totally challenging you to it.


I'd just keep it the way it is. The RPing community I'm in is perfect.
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Postby Mincaldenteans » Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:38 am

Alleniana wrote:
Mincaldenteans wrote:
I only hope the others agree. Even if they don't I'm open to their criticism. For all I know, I'm being too much an idealist and too little a realist. :lol:

All in stride!

^ Zark

Eloquence :p

I'm not great at this sort of stuff, but a thread in which the community nominates frequently, spreads ideas and gives whoever has gone that extra mile every <insert period of time> gets a bit of showy-offiness :p is definitely something that appeals to me.


And I believe that's what we hope and need in the end.

Communication!

We have too little of it and not enough to say the least. Rewards are great and all, a pat on the shoulder for a job well done; but it means next to nothing if a player can't even learn from our 'achievements'. Its not a legacy project we're on, it's a tome of notes and learning that we can impart not just as Mentors, GMS or the like, but as player to player. And frankly, I'm all for that.


Jessjohnesik wrote:
I'd just keep it the way it is. The RPing community I'm in is perfect.


The way it is is detached. Granted not everyone will know everyone, but at least players will learn.

Maybe that's what I want from the P2TM. We don't have enough outlets to learn and impart knowledge. We have venues that are largely ignored. People sink or swim. If we're to break that, we can start by breaking the reward system that is based on a yearly system that is vastly too wide and also too narrow to judge upon. No one takes time for that, and even less will even read half the OP before turning to the next forum. A monthly system based on PARTICIPATING OPs could help (but that's me being optimistic).

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Postby Alleniana » Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:43 am

Mincaldenteans wrote:
Alleniana wrote:^ Zark

Eloquence :p

I'm not great at this sort of stuff, but a thread in which the community nominates frequently, spreads ideas and gives whoever has gone that extra mile every <insert period of time> gets a bit of showy-offiness :p is definitely something that appeals to me.


And I believe that's what we hope and need in the end.

Communication!

We have too little of it and not enough to say the least. Rewards are great and all, a pat on the shoulder for a job well done; but it means next to nothing if a player can't even learn from our 'achievements'. Its not a legacy project we're on, it's a tome of notes and learning that we can impart not just as Mentors, GMS or the like, but as player to player. And frankly, I'm all for that.


Jessjohnesik wrote:
I'd just keep it the way it is. The RPing community I'm in is perfect.


The way it is is detached. Granted not everyone will know everyone, but at least players will learn.

Maybe that's what I want from the P2TM. We don't have enough outlets to learn and impart knowledge. We have venues that are largely ignored. People sink or swim. If we're to break that, we can start by breaking the reward system that is based on a yearly system that is vastly too wide and also too narrow to judge upon. No one takes time for that, and even less will even read half the OP before turning to the next forum. A monthly system based on PARTICIPATING OPs could help (but that's me being optimistic).

I haven't got as many suggestions as you, but it's true that often, I'll join an RP and find it's full of people who I've never RPed with and who've never RPed with most of the people I'ved RPed with. Not to mention the Great Divide between character and nation RPs. Though it's always nice meeting new people, if we could meld all these communities together and help teach, that would be perfect. Not that P2TM isn't damned good as it is now, though.

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Postby Jessjohnesik » Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:45 am

Mincaldenteans wrote:
Alleniana wrote:^ Zark

Eloquence :p

I'm not great at this sort of stuff, but a thread in which the community nominates frequently, spreads ideas and gives whoever has gone that extra mile every <insert period of time> gets a bit of showy-offiness :p is definitely something that appeals to me.


And I believe that's what we hope and need in the end.

Communication!

We have too little of it and not enough to say the least. Rewards are great and all, a pat on the shoulder for a job well done; but it means next to nothing if a player can't even learn from our 'achievements'. Its not a legacy project we're on, it's a tome of notes and learning that we can impart not just as Mentors, GMS or the like, but as player to player. And frankly, I'm all for that.


Jessjohnesik wrote:
I'd just keep it the way it is. The RPing community I'm in is perfect.


The way it is is detached. Granted not everyone will know everyone, but at least players will learn.

Maybe that's what I want from the P2TM. We don't have enough outlets to learn and impart knowledge. We have venues that are largely ignored. People sink or swim. If we're to break that, we can start by breaking the reward system that is based on a yearly system that is vastly too wide and also too narrow to judge upon. No one takes time for that, and even less will even read half the OP before turning to the next forum. A monthly system based on PARTICIPATING OPs could help (but that's me being optimistic).


Detached is good. I, personally, like the way P2TM is detached. There is no reason to 'join' it. It will only make things worse.

Also, why do we have to break the 'sink or swim' thing? I think it's perfectly fine.
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Postby Mincaldenteans » Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:52 am

Alleniana wrote:I haven't got as many suggestions as you, but it's true that often, I'll join an RP and find it's full of people who I've never RPed with and who've never RPed with most of the people I'ved RPed with. Not to mention the Great Divide between character and nation RPs. Though it's always nice meeting new people, if we could meld all these communities together and help teach, that would be perfect. Not that P2TM isn't damned good as it is now, though.


Its an awesome place to learn from and glean from. What I've noticed is that players will eventually need questions answered, theories answered, problems resolved, and not even before its inception. I am among of them. Rewards are wonderful, as I've mentioned, but a personal note to what made them stand out will go a great way.

I.E, Worldbuilder: Winner, Swith.
1) When thinking of the world, what are the essential things you think of?
2) Do you stress about minute details? (Buildings, weather conditions, opposite driving!)
3) Do the 'regular' NPCs know your players are abnormal?
4) Any tips for world builders?

I.E. Character/Interaction
1) Is it a collaboration between two players?
2) Who edits, is it back and forth?
3) One long post? Or break it in parts for dramatic effect?
4) Any tips

I.E. Nation
1) What stands you above the other nations (in your opinion)?
2) What did you envision for your nation?
3) How do you balance and react for nation based RP?
4) Any tips for new players looking to play nation based RPs?

Seriously, I could go on but that's only the surface thoughts when I see rewards systems and why they are given behind what pretext awarded to them.



And Jess... explain/extrapolate.
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Postby Jessjohnesik » Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:57 am

Mincaldenteans wrote:
Alleniana wrote:I haven't got as many suggestions as you, but it's true that often, I'll join an RP and find it's full of people who I've never RPed with and who've never RPed with most of the people I'ved RPed with. Not to mention the Great Divide between character and nation RPs. Though it's always nice meeting new people, if we could meld all these communities together and help teach, that would be perfect. Not that P2TM isn't damned good as it is now, though.


Its an awesome place to learn from and glean from. What I've noticed is that players will eventually need questions answered, theories answered, problems resolved, and not even before its inception. I am among of them. Rewards are wonderful, as I've mentioned, but a personal note to what made them stand out will go a great way.

I.E, Worldbuilder: Winner, Swith.
1) When thinking of the world, what are the essential things you think of?
2) Do you stress about minute details? (Buildings, weather conditions, opposite driving!)
3) Do the 'regular' NPCs know your players are abnormal?
4) Any tips for world builders?

I.E. Character/Interaction
1) Is it a collaboration between two players?
2) Who edits, is it back and forth?
3) One long post? Or break it in parts of dramatic effect?
4) Any tips

I.E. Nation
1) What stands you above the other nations (in your opinion)?
2) What did you envision for your nation?
3) How do you balance and react for nation based RP?
4) Any tips for new players looking to play nation based RPs?

Seriously, I could go on but that's only the surface thoughts when I see rewards systems and why they are given behind what pretext awarded to them.



And Jess... explain/extrapolate.


I just think so.

I don't want the community to join up. It will be horrible. I don't want anyone to intervene into the current community I'm in. Nor do I want to see fairy pony people 'team up' and 'collaborate' with normal RPers. I don't know how to explain it, but the last thing I want is P2TM to join up and become a one group. Just no.

If people sink, they aren't suited for RPing. That's actually pretty good.
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Postby Alleniana » Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:59 am

I think what Jess might be saying is that an enforced blobbiness is bad, and I would agree with that; some people have imported their communities from elsewhere, and as bad as it sounds, they might not really want to open up to us rabble. But on the other hand, I think what Min is saying is that creating institutions to join up more communities easier is good, which also is; it facilitates communication where people want it.

Is that sort of the gist of it? Or am I crazy?
edit: or both?
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Postby Jessjohnesik » Sun Jan 12, 2014 3:04 am

Alleniana wrote:I think what Jess might be saying is that an enforced blobbiness is bad, and I would agree with that; some people have imported their communities from elsewhere, and as bad as it sounds, they might not really want to open up to us rabble. But on the other hand, I think what Min is saying is that creating institutions to join up more communities easier is good, which also is; it facilitates communication where people want it.

Is that sort of the gist of it? Or am I crazy?
edit: or both?


Well, I for one don't want my normal community to get mixed up and live happily ever after with other non-realism communities that are full of themselves, to be honest(not that I want to offend anyone, just personal opinion. There are a few good people I know from the category anyways).

I don't want to live side by side with people I dislike. I don't want them to intervene in my or my friends' RPs.

So basically, I think I'm being a bit too fanatical but nevertheless. :p
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Postby Mincaldenteans » Sun Jan 12, 2014 3:04 am

Jessjohnesik wrote:
I just think so.

I don't want the community to join up. It will be horrible. I don't want anyone to intervene into the current community I'm in. Nor do I want to see fairy pony people 'team up' and 'collaborate' with normal RPers. I don't know how to explain it, but the last thing I want is P2TM to join up and become a one group. Just no.

If people sink, they aren't suited for RPing. That's actually pretty good.



Fair enough, but can you agree that they should at least be able to learn something rather than be arbitrarily awarded? You yourself nominated me for worldbuilder.

Would you have nominated me if I was some Tom, Dick or Harry that just joined your group that had little to no chance of joining or accepted? What made me stand out to be accepted? Would you at least help somewhat (and you have so don't deny :P)? Is that not what a community of creative people want in the end? Help?

to Alleniana: yeah, Jess and I have had this discussion more than once. Change is terrible, terrifying and often more than not trying. We can hope to come to equal or close to terms, but for the most part the biggest leg work is in part of the community and not those trying to promote it.

Not that I'm trying nor forcing to changes Jess' views (Jess should know better by now :p), but I'd like for Jess to explain why such a community/open communication is bad or unwarranted. As it is, we have lots of repeats, recycled or reworked-with-a-twist. While the reward system recognizes those that aren't or exempt from such limitations, it shouldn't look over those that may have done the same thing, the catch being the player is new to the forums. Like I said, not perfect, but a monthly system with personal notes to their views could help us.

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Postby Jessjohnesik » Sun Jan 12, 2014 3:09 am

Mincaldenteans wrote:
Jessjohnesik wrote:
I just think so.

I don't want the community to join up. It will be horrible. I don't want anyone to intervene into the current community I'm in. Nor do I want to see fairy pony people 'team up' and 'collaborate' with normal RPers. I don't know how to explain it, but the last thing I want is P2TM to join up and become a one group. Just no.

If people sink, they aren't suited for RPing. That's actually pretty good.



Fair enough, but can you agree that they should at least be able to learn something rather than be arbitrarily awarded? You yourself nominated me for worldbuilder.

Would you have nominated me if I was some Tom, Dick or Harry that just joined your group that had little to no chance of joining or accepted? What made me stand out to be accepted? Would you at least help somewhat (and you have so don't deny :P)? Is that not what a community of creative people want in the end? Help?

to Alleniana: yeah, Jess and I have had this discussion more than once. Change is terrible, terrifying and often more than not trying. We can hope to come to equal or close to terms, but for the most part the biggest leg work is in part of the community and not those trying to promote it.

Not that I'm trying nor forcing to changes Jess' views (Jess should know better by now :p), but I'd like for Jess to explain why such a community/open communication is bad or unwarranted. As it is, we have lots of repeats, recycled or reworked-with-a-twist. While the reward system recognizes those that aren't or exempt from such limitations, it shouldn't look over those that may have done the same thing, the catch being the player is new to the forums. Like I said, not perfect, but a monthly system with personal notes to their views could help us.


Did you take the 'Tom, Dick and Harry' from Wyethalania's app? :p

Because you are a great RPer and you deserved the nomination. And no, I wouldn't have nominated some Tom whom I didn't know because fuck that. And no matter whether he might or might not be a good RPer. Yes, that's how bias I am.

See my last post perhaps it explains something.
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Postby Alleniana » Sun Jan 12, 2014 3:10 am

Oh, so it's rehearsed, I see. :p jk

Anyway, I won't say too much, because I'm not entirely sure quite precisely where I stand, and you two are doing it perfectly anyway. :p

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Postby Jessjohnesik » Sun Jan 12, 2014 3:14 am

Alleniana wrote:Oh, so it's rehearsed, I see. :p jk

Anyway, I won't say too much, because I'm not entirely sure quite precisely where I stand, and you two are doing it perfectly anyway. :p


We had it all planned. :p

But seriously, I hope The Return wins in at least one category. :D
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Postby Alleniana » Sun Jan 12, 2014 3:16 am

Hehe.

When the others come on, I'm sure they'll all wonder dafuq all this nonsense is about.

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Postby Jessjohnesik » Sun Jan 12, 2014 3:19 am

Alleniana wrote:Hehe.

When the others come on, I'm sure they'll all wonder dafuq all this nonsense is about.


Exactly.

I mean the whole 'unite' and 'live happily ever after with cupcakes' idea is completely preposterous. It's like saying that Congo and Iceland must unite. I mean, normal and developed Scandinavian Iceland with horrible third world Congo.
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Postby Mincaldenteans » Sun Jan 12, 2014 3:25 am

I'm sure they will, in all we all have our opinions and I look forward to seeing theirs.

To sum it all up from my perspective:
1) Awards should not be given on a yearly basis but on a monthly (or every 3 months, or bi yearly) to those that a Participating OPs can agree on.
2) Awards are too narrowed and give little to credit those that have indeed put time and effort to what they have done.
3) Memos/Notes from the awarded players is invaluable to those wanting to learn from any source.
4) Creativity cannot be contained to such specifics and will eventually lead to unfairness and bias simply based on who responds to threads and who doesn't.
5) Communication has and always will be key to making an RP sink or swim; while rewards surely won't let said player stand out, their memos, knowledge and opinions matter and will likely help others in the future.
6) Its not perfect, therefore reward systems will likely need to be based on a theme. (i.e., January, Spotlight Player: Altito Asmoro, s/he will give a memo on what they've done to improve him/herself and what made them stick to what they do and why they do.)

And I don't get the whole unite and live happily ever after with cupcakes. I never said it was perfect, I did say it was a venue to learn from those that are recognized.
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