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Postby Alleniana » Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:54 pm

Well, defences have historically been very OP, at least. Many people have had to use ratioes of 30:1 to take a castle by storm, for example.

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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:54 pm

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Postby Shaggai » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:31 pm

Alleniana wrote:Well, defences have historically been very OP, at least. Many people have had to use ratioes of 30:1 to take a castle by storm, for example.

Yes, but here you cannot successfully besiege someone. If you besieged someone with a castle, they had to hope you would give up before they starved. You can't do that here.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:33 pm

Shaggai wrote:
Alleniana wrote:Well, defences have historically been very OP, at least. Many people have had to use ratioes of 30:1 to take a castle by storm, for example.

Yes, but here you cannot successfully besiege someone. If you besieged someone with a castle, they had to hope you would give up before they starved. You can't do that here.


True. Food is rather unrealistic here, in that people don't need to travel in macrobands or engage in intensive agriculture to not starve.
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Postby Konariona » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:39 pm

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Shaggai wrote:Yes, but here you cannot successfully besiege someone. If you besieged someone with a castle, they had to hope you would give up before they starved. You can't do that here.


True. Food is rather unrealistic here, in that people don't need to travel in macrobands or engage in intensive agriculture to not starve.

It's just.. really, really hard to play military now.
Like really hard.
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Postby Alleniana » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:43 pm

Shaggai wrote:
Alleniana wrote:Well, defences have historically been very OP, at least. Many people have had to use ratioes of 30:1 to take a castle by storm, for example.

Yes, but here you cannot successfully besiege someone. If you besieged someone with a castle, they had to hope you would give up before they starved. You can't do that here.

Just pointing out how hard it is to attack fortifications IRL.

I think even the Romans had to have a 1:1 ratio to defenders attacking hillforts directly. COnsidering it's normally 10:1 and Rome comfortably, you see where I'm going.

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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:43 pm

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True. Food is rather unrealistic here, in that people don't need to travel in macrobands or engage in intensive agriculture to not starve.

It's just.. really, really hard to play military now.
Like really hard.


Huh. I appear to have modified your stats incorrectly. You should have grown. I'm not sure what I was looking at.

As I said, I'd be totally down with siege equipment. I just need to go over some figures; I should have something up in an hour or so.
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Postby Alleniana » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:44 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Konariona wrote:It's just.. really, really hard to play military now.
Like really hard.


Huh. I appear to have modified your stats incorrectly. You should have grown. I'm not sure what I was looking at.

As I said, I'd be totally down with siege equipment. I just need to go over some figures; I should have something up in an hour or so.

yay fur siege equipment

I've got plenty of space to put it, and good uses for it

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Postby The Nation of Hay » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:46 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Konariona wrote:
Huh. I appear to have modified your stats incorrectly. You should have grown. I'm not sure what I was looking at.

As I said, I'd be totally down with siege equipment. I just need to go over some figures; I should have something up in an hour or so.


Siege equipment would be a little silly, if they're supposed to be deployed against ditches (unless, of course, you mean portable step-thingys) :P

Maybe we replace the ditches with palisades?
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Postby Konariona » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:46 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Konariona wrote:It's just.. really, really hard to play military now.
Like really hard.


Huh. I appear to have modified your stats incorrectly. You should have grown. I'm not sure what I was looking at.

As I said, I'd be totally down with siege equipment. I just need to go over some figures; I should have something up in an hour or so.

Ah. Well, then, do I have permission to edit, lord G? :)
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Postby Alleniana » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:46 pm

The Nation of Hay wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:


Siege equipment would be a little silly, if they're supposed to be deployed against ditches (unless, of course, you mean portable step-thingys) :P

Maybe we replace the ditches with palisades?

fill in the ditch with catapult rocks :p

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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:47 pm

Konariona wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Huh. I appear to have modified your stats incorrectly. You should have grown. I'm not sure what I was looking at.

As I said, I'd be totally down with siege equipment. I just need to go over some figures; I should have something up in an hour or so.

Ah. Well, then, do I have permission to edit, lord G? :)


As soon as I've edited the part of my post relevant to you.

The Nation of Hay wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:


Siege equipment would be a little silly, if they're supposed to be deployed against ditches (unless, of course, you mean portable step-thingys) :P

Maybe we replace the ditches with palisades?


Portable bridges, more like.
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Postby The Nation of Hay » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:47 pm

Alleniana wrote:
The Nation of Hay wrote:
Siege equipment would be a little silly, if they're supposed to be deployed against ditches (unless, of course, you mean portable step-thingys) :P

Maybe we replace the ditches with palisades?

fill in the ditch with catapult rocks :p


Or, even better, sacrifices!
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Postby Alleniana » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:48 pm

The Nation of Hay wrote:
Alleniana wrote:fill in the ditch with catapult rocks :p


Or, even better, sacrifices!

That happened historically; they drove POWs towards the wall, they got killed, filled the ditches, then they assaulted.

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Postby Constaniana » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:48 pm

Also, you didn't record the 2 stone I got in my spoilered stats G.
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Postby The Nation of Hay » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:50 pm

Alleniana wrote:
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Or, even better, sacrifices!

That happened historically; they drove POWs towards the wall, they got killed, filled the ditches, then they assaulted.


I know, that was the joke :P

EDIT: Also, catapulting plague-ridden corpses over the walls of a besieged city :3
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Postby Alleniana » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:51 pm

The Nation of Hay wrote:
Alleniana wrote:That happened historically; they drove POWs towards the wall, they got killed, filled the ditches, then they assaulted.


I know, that was the joke :P

EDIT: Also, catapulting plague-ridden corpses over the walls of a besieged city :3

throwing dead rats over a ditch at a bunch of wooden huts :lol2:

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Postby The Nation of Hay » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:53 pm

Alleniana wrote:
The Nation of Hay wrote:
I know, that was the joke :P

EDIT: Also, catapulting plague-ridden corpses over the walls of a besieged city :3

throwing dead rats over a ditch at a bunch of wooden huts :lol2:


Next level strats right here^^
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:53 pm

Constaniana wrote:Also, you didn't record the 2 stone I got in my spoilered stats G.


Are you sure you wouldn't prefer two wood? It's all brown and barky!

Edited :P

Also, how do people feel about this:

Portable Bridge: [To create: 300 Influence, 2 assigned builders] [Decreases Ditch bonus to 3+ if carried into battle by two men. Carriers may not participate in battle] [Defenders may cast down Bridge at a 7+ if set on Guard, negating its bonuses and necessitating 30 Influence of repair before it can be used again, but allowing its Carriers to join in the attack]

I figure it should be fairly expensive, since it can negate potentially several hundred Influence worth of defenses, and there will be a chance for Defenders to stop it if they're on guard, so it will give a good reason for people to actually post watchmen.

Alleniana wrote:how many turns it take to give someone resources?


One, and then they can use it the same turn if they post after they get it.
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Postby The Nation of Hay » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:57 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:Also, how do people feel about this:

Portable Bridge: [To create: 300 Influence, 2 assigned builders] [Decreases Ditch bonus to 3+ if carried into battle by two men. Carriers may not participate in battle] [Defenders may cast down Bridge at a 7+ if set on Guard, negating its bonuses and necessitating 30 Influence of repair before it can be used again, but allowing its Carriers to join in the attack]

I figure it should be fairly expensive, since it can negate potentially several hundred Influence worth of defenses, and there will be a chance for Defenders to stop it if they're on guard, so it will give a good reason for people to actually post watchmen.


I don't like it, because then I can't use my warriors to harvest stone :P

Other than that silly reason, I find the idea very good. :clap:
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Postby Konariona » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:58 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:Also, how do people feel about this:

Portable Bridge: [To create: 300 Influence, 2 assigned builders] [Decreases Ditch bonus to 3+ if carried into battle by two men. Carriers may not participate in battle] [Defenders may cast down Bridge at a 7+ if set on Guard, negating its bonuses and necessitating 30 Influence of repair before it can be used again, but allowing its Carriers to join in the attack]

I figure it should be fairly expensive, since it can negate potentially several hundred Influence worth of defenses, and there will be a chance for Defenders to stop it if they're on guard, so it will give a good reason for people to actually post watchmen.


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Postby Alleniana » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:59 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Constaniana wrote:Also, you didn't record the 2 stone I got in my spoilered stats G.


Are you sure you wouldn't prefer two wood? It's all brown and barky!

Edited :P

Also, how do people feel about this:

Portable Bridge: [To create: 300 Influence, 2 assigned builders] [Decreases Ditch bonus to 3+ if carried into battle by two men. Carriers may not participate in battle] [Defenders may cast down Bridge at a 7+ if set on Guard, negating its bonuses and necessitating 30 Influence of repair before it can be used again, but allowing its Carriers to join in the attack]

I figure it should be fairly expensive, since it can negate potentially several hundred Influence worth of defenses, and there will be a chance for Defenders to stop it if they're on guard, so it will give a good reason for people to actually post watchmen.

Alleniana wrote:how many turns it take to give someone resources?


One, and then they can use it the same turn if they post after they get it.

Can they carry a resource to someone, and take resources from that same person in the same turn?
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G-Tech Corporation wrote:Also, how do people feel about this:

Portable Bridge: [To create: 300 Influence, 2 assigned builders] [Decreases Ditch bonus to 3+ if carried into battle by two men. Carriers may not participate in battle] [Defenders may cast down Bridge at a 7+ if set on Guard, negating its bonuses and necessitating 30 Influence of repair before it can be used again, but allowing its Carriers to join in the attack]

I figure it should be fairly expensive, since it can negate potentially several hundred Influence worth of defenses, and there will be a chance for Defenders to stop it if they're on guard, so it will give a good reason for people to actually post watchmen.


Me guta.

moi aussi.

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Postby The Nation of Hay » Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:00 pm

Alleniana wrote:moi aussi.


You Aussie? :lol2:
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Postby Alleniana » Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:01 pm

The Nation of Hay wrote:
Alleniana wrote:moi aussi.


You Aussie? :lol2:

yes, but in French, moi is me, and aussi is also. ;)

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