The Spark of the Divine [OOC|Closed]

[The Inritus Extraho]

Double-post because G-Tech I already updated /and/ people replied to it.

So I don't understand, do I still have my 20 wood( should be 21 because of my attribute that I get +1 resource) and does the map expands?

Yeah, you have 20 now. (As far as I know?)
That attribute gets you +1 Influence per site, if I'm remembering how it worked last time.
It will expand when G-Tech knows how to expand it. I don't have the large-map, I can't do it myself.

[Ralnis]

So I don't understand, do I still have my 20 wood( should be 21 because of my attribute that I get +1 resource) and does the map expands?

Yeah, you have 20 now. (As far as I know?)
That attribute gets you +1 Influence per site, if I'm remembering how it worked last time.
It will expand when G-Tech knows how to expand it. I don't have the large-map, I can't do it myself.

Ok, I must find that stone!

[G-Tech Corporation]

Uh, TIE, you didn't account for my Ditch?

That's because a grouped attack from the South doesn't pass over a ditch, thanks to the Devil's-Luck Agrarian from last week.

And you thought that was a joking use of an agrarian. (I don't know if you actually thought that)

Yeah, but the removal of the central ditch, giving access to my two huts, doesn't compromise my Ditch because I built another one to the south and the north. I still have a ring of Ditches protecting the village.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Also, TIE, is there a reason you think Divine Protection can't be combined with Divine Malady?

[The Inritus Extraho]

Yeah, you have 20 now. (As far as I know?)
That attribute gets you +1 Influence per site, if I'm remembering how it worked last time.
It will expand when G-Tech knows how to expand it. I don't have the large-map, I can't do it myself.

Ok, I must find that stone!

Yeah, Stone is really useful!

G-Tech: Based on the map, removal of any ditch gives complete access, and there's no way that you can place two ditches with a "small field" (one square) in between onto the map in such a way that it would still prevent access.

G-Tech: because that's what it says? I play RAW...

[The Inritus Extraho]

I mean, you could prevent access to one of the huts? But you couldn't block off both huts because I removed the ditch right below one of them

Edit: You also don't have such a thing as a "central ditch"? You've just got a ring. There's no "central".

[Alleniana]

That's because a grouped attack from the South doesn't pass over a ditch, thanks to the Devil's-Luck Agrarian from last week.

And you thought that was a joking use of an agrarian. (I don't know if you actually thought that)

Yeah, but the removal of the central ditch, giving access to my two huts, doesn't compromise my Ditch because I built another one to the south and the north. I still have a ring of Ditches protecting the village.

Wait, can't you cross your own ditches?

Also, no champions left for me? :/

[Elderowa]

I did it! I succeeded in killing one of Braignaur's goons!

But we're not going to stop yet! Braignaur had this coming!

[G-Tech Corporation]

Ok, I must find that stone!

Yeah, Stone is really useful!

G-Tech: Based on the map, removal of any ditch gives complete access, and there's no way that you can place two ditches with a "small field" (one square) in between onto the map in such a way that it would still prevent access.

G-Tech: because that's what it says? I play RAW...

When I was placing the ditches, they were in a

OOXOO
OXOXO
XOXOX
OXOXO
OOXOO

Pattern, meaning there was one small field between each, as I said.

After you removed the ditch blocking your access to my village, the central one which allows access to both of my huts, the pattern was:

OOXOO
OXOXO
XOOOX
OXOXO
OOXOO

meaning my comment about small fields was rendered null.

...that's not what that statement means. You can't use Divine Protection on your followers, then use Divine Malady on them, because that would be a broken Faith-farming cycle.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Yeah, but the removal of the central ditch, giving access to my two huts, doesn't compromise my Ditch because I built another one to the south and the north. I still have a ring of Ditches protecting the village.

Wait, can't you cross your own ditches?

Also, no champions left for me? :/

Yes, you can. Other people can't though, necessarily.

Tell someone else to come join.

[Corvinnium]

Yeah, Stone is really useful!

G-Tech: Based on the map, removal of any ditch gives complete access, and there's no way that you can place two ditches with a "small field" (one square) in between onto the map in such a way that it would still prevent access.

G-Tech: because that's what it says? I play RAW...

When I was placing the ditches, they were in a

OOXOO
OXOXO
XOXOX
OXOXO
OOXOO

Pattern, meaning there was one small field between each, as I said.

After you removed the ditch blocking your access to my village, the central one which allows access to both of my huts, the pattern was:

OOXOO
OXOXO
XOOOX
OXOXO
OOXOO

meaning my comment about small fields was rendered null.

...that's not what that statement means. You can't use Divine Protection on your followers, then use Divine Malady on them, because that would be a broken Faith-farming cycle.

Strictly about the Faith-farming, I would amend the way that Divine Malady is written, a kind of "If you manifest this miracle against your own followers it cannot be combined with Divine Protection clause." It removes this kind of confusion completely.

[The Inritus Extraho]

Yeah, Stone is really useful!

G-Tech: Based on the map, removal of any ditch gives complete access, and there's no way that you can place two ditches with a "small field" (one square) in between onto the map in such a way that it would still prevent access.

G-Tech: because that's what it says? I play RAW...

When I was placing the ditches, they were in a

OOXOO
OXOXO
XOXOX
OXOXO
OOXOO

Pattern, meaning there was one small field between each, as I said.

After you removed the ditch blocking your access to my village, the central one which allows access to both of my huts, the pattern was:

OOXOO
OXOXO
XOOOX
OXOXO
OOXOO

meaning my comment about small fields was rendered null.

...that's not what that statement means. You can't use Divine Protection on your followers, then use Divine Malady on them, because that would be a broken Faith-farming cycle.

(the cycle wouldn't actually net you anything, because Protection costs 250, and would at most net you (240-200)*5=200, for a net loss of 50)

And how in the name of the Spark would "from the south into Maerios, but finds his way blocked by a ditch" make me remove the /center/ one? Because... um... I can't find any way that it would. It would remove one to the south of the hut, because that's where he was going. Unless he just hop-skip-juWAIIIIT, it's four meters wide, there's no way.

Errata is needed for Malady.

[G-Tech Corporation]

When I was placing the ditches, they were in a

OOXOO
OXOXO
XOXOX
OXOXO
OOXOO

Pattern, meaning there was one small field between each, as I said.

After you removed the ditch blocking your access to my village, the central one which allows access to both of my huts, the pattern was:

OOXOO
OXOXO
XOOOX
OXOXO
OOXOO

meaning my comment about small fields was rendered null.

...that's not what that statement means. You can't use Divine Protection on your followers, then use Divine Malady on them, because that would be a broken Faith-farming cycle.

Strictly about the Faith-farming, I would amend the way that Divine Malady is written, a kind of "If you manifest this miracle against your own followers it cannot be combined with Divine Protection clause." It removes this kind of confusion completely.

That might perhaps be a good idea. I thought it would be self-explanatory, as the singular person that was the actor of the sentence would only be combining the two if he was casting both Miracles on his own followers. But I'll edit it for clarity.

And how in the name of the Spark would "from the south into Maerios, but finds his way blocked by a ditch" make me remove the /center/ one? Because... um... I can't find any way that it would. It would remove one to the south of the hut, because that's where he was going. Unless he just hop-skip-juWAIIIIT, it's four meters wide, there's no way.

Errata is needed for Malady.

Because he wanted to go to the entire village, not one hut? In order to freely access all of my territory, the central ditch was the most logical choice to remove.

[Alleniana]

Wait, can't you cross your own ditches?

Also, no champions left for me? :/

Yes, you can. Other people can't though, necessarily.

Tell someone else to come join.

Oh, ok, panicked for a moment there

To hell with champions, actually. Once they see my paradise garden, they'll flock here.. they will, it'll be beautiful and lovely...

*sobs*

[The Inritus Extraho]

But that's not where he would have been walking. I thought it was explanatory that you walk towards a building. G, when you walk through town, do you wank on a sidewalk (near the buildings) or in the center of the street (with the widest access)?

Also, someone else posted now so your secondary thing is now stuck there... :/

Also, how did he get to the central ditch? His way would have been blocked by the one right under the hut because I live diagonally south-east, so it should have filled that one anyways.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Yes, you can. Other people can't though, necessarily.

Tell someone else to come join.

Oh, ok, panicked for a moment there

To hell with champions, actually. Once they see my paradise garden, they'll flock here.. they will, it'll be beautiful and lovely...

*sobs*

"I'm traaaappppeeeeddd in a sea of diiiirrrrtttt."

That would be rather silly

But that's not where he would have been walking. I thought it was explanatory that you walk towards a building. G, when you walk through town, do you wank on a sidewalk (near the buildings) or in the center of the street (with the widest access)?

Also, someone else posted now so your secondary thing is now stuck there... :/

If I'm not sure if I want to go to the left side of the street's barber, or the right side of the street's barber, damn right I walk down the median. You didn't exactly specify what hut he was going to, so I figured the central one would make the most sense...? Since then he can go to either hut?

Either way you'd have to deal with ditches. Even if the man only walked up from the south of my eastern hut and removed that ditch, not all my followers live in that building, since I have more than can be housed there.

[The Inritus Extraho]

Oh, ok, panicked for a moment there

To hell with champions, actually. Once they see my paradise garden, they'll flock here.. they will, it'll be beautiful and lovely...

*sobs*

"I'm traaaappppeeeeddd in a sea of diiiirrrrtttt."

That would be rather silly

But that's not where he would have been walking. I thought it was explanatory that you walk towards a building. G, when you walk through town, do you wank on a sidewalk (near the buildings) or in the center of the street (with the widest access)?

Also, someone else posted now so your secondary thing is now stuck there... :/

If I'm not sure if I want to go to the left side of the street's barber, or the right side of the street's barber, damn right I walk down the median. You didn't exactly specify what hut he was going to, so I figured the central one would make the most sense...? Since then he can go to either hut?

Either way you'd have to deal with ditches. Even if the man only walked up from the south of my eastern hut and removed that ditch, not all my followers live in that building, since I have more than can be housed there.

And I suppose some of them were in the fields too? Or maybe out collecting logs? And none of them would go help their friends when they got attacked, of course.

Dammit, G-Tech, let me love you. And by love I mean kill. And by me I mean us. And by you I mean your followers.

[Ralnis]

So many mechanics, it hurts my head!!!

On a serious note, I will be posting when the map expanded and see if I hit a stone site.

[Alleniana]

So many mechanics, it hurts my head!!!

On a serious note, I will be posting when the map expanded and see if I hit a stone site.

[G-Tech Corporation]

"I'm traaaappppeeeeddd in a sea of diiiirrrrtttt."

That would be rather silly



If I'm not sure if I want to go to the left side of the street's barber, or the right side of the street's barber, damn right I walk down the median. You didn't exactly specify what hut he was going to, so I figured the central one would make the most sense...? Since then he can go to either hut?

Either way you'd have to deal with ditches. Even if the man only walked up from the south of my eastern hut and removed that ditch, not all my followers live in that building, since I have more than can be housed there.

And I suppose some of them were in the fields too? Or maybe out collecting logs? And none of them would go help their friends when they got attacked, of course.

Dammit, G-Tech, let me love you. And by love I mean kill. And by me I mean us. And by you I mean your followers.

No, of course not. All battles and conversions are calculated where they said they were calculated with all pertinent followers. Otherwise I would have just said "All people of Maerios run away into the fields after pouring water on their dwellings, and they carry all their goods with them."

[G-Tech Corporation]

So many mechanics, it hurts my head!!!

On a serious note, I will be posting when the map expanded and see if I hit a stone site.

Go explore. Maybe you'll find some.

[Ralnis]

So many mechanics, it hurts my head!!!

On a serious note, I will be posting when the map expanded and see if I hit a stone site.

Go explore. Maybe you'll find some.

Just did, because of me the map expanded, just wanted to know by how much and see if I hit the jackpot.

[The Inritus Extraho]

... G-Tech, which update is canonical? Because I think it's unfair to have Me, Corv, and Kona have put in that much effort when it seems to us that you just got to say "nah, doesn't happen"; we worked hard to come up with a plan to do that, and when the plan worked, I wrote the update. In response, you seemed to write another update that just overrides it, including changing which ditch we thought was removed, and clarifying a rule (that worked against us, but no hard feelings there, it just wasn't written well at first). I mean, we (together) spent 1000 faith and three player-turns, just to see you burn a couple hundred faith, one player-turn, and say "Nope, I get to come out of this better than I went in."

[G-Tech Corporation]

Go explore. Maybe you'll find some.

Just did, because of me the map expanded, just wanted to know by how much and see if I hit the jackpot.

Ahhhh, I see. I missed your post, now it's all good.

You're very close to stone, but you've found something else very interesting.

Ten bucks if someone can tell me what it says.

... G-Tech, which update is canonical? Because I think it's unfair to have Me, Corv, and Kona have put in that much effort when it seems to us that you just got to say "nah, doesn't happen"; we worked hard to come up with a plan to do that, and when the plan worked, I wrote the update. In response, you seemed to write another update that just overrides it, including changing which ditch we thought was removed, and clarifying a rule (that worked against us, but no hard feelings there, it just wasn't written well at first). I mean, we (together) spent 1000 faith and three player-turns, just to see you burn a couple hundred faith, one player-turn, and say "Nope, I get to come out of this better than I went in."

Well, your update doesn't include any defenses on my part, so that's an issue.

Let's look at this from a probability standpoint.

Your first attack had a 6+ chance of wounding 5 people and a 9+ chance of killing five.

So, on average, two point five people would be wounded, and point five would die. Additionally, my followers had a 5/12ths chance of taking no damage, because of the random nature of the Malady and my Divine Protection. You got very lucky on wounding all of the ones you hit, but four resisted, also lucky on my part, so one was wounded.


Then, in combat, 26 followers attacked. Given that 60% of them would cross on the 5+, that makes for about 14-15 total attackers. Thirteen actually cross, slightly lower than the average, but still very close.
Then, on average, one in every ten followers will inflict a wound, slightly higher due to Gal'Duls. I took 1 Wound, probably a bit low statistically, since probably about 1.5-1.6 should have actually been done, but sensible.
That wound was saved, which is also very close to likely, since I save at a 40% chance. There was also the 5/12ths chance to save due to Divine Protection, but I didn't have to roll that.

I inflicted no Wounds, also a statistical probability, since six of my followers were fighting [.6 Wounds], so they had better than even odds at inflicting 1 Wound, but they didn't so and such is life.
I made one conversion, the most probable outcome since my six followers should make [.6 Conversions], and Gal'Duls Warrior failed, the most probable outcome. [80%] All in all, my update included all the variables, and was the most average statistically, so I think it makes sense to have it as canonical.

[Ralnis]

Just did, because of me the map expanded, just wanted to know by how much and see if I hit the jackpot.

Ahhhh, I see. I missed your post, now it's all good.

You're very close to stone, but you've found something else very interesting.

Ten bucks if someone can tell me what it says.

Agar Grove?