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Postby Aldelxane » Sun Dec 29, 2013 7:35 pm

Halleon wrote:
Aldelxane wrote:Fortunately, there is something called the edit button. :twisted:
You won't have your effects. I couldn't have rode out anyway, to be honest, the door was closed.


Misunderstandings happen but one does not simply walk away from any audience with the Kaiser, joking you can leave any moment would look bad to imprison or kill a messenger. Seriously though could play out into a thousand different ways depending on what both sides wanted out of it ooc and ic wise.

Essentially, I thought that it was a rhetorical question and you were ending te discussion. The thing about the balance of power changing, and the emphasis on those who wanted war swayed me in that direction. IRL, there is a little something called tone of voice that we can't get on the internet. If I had heard you SAY it, it would have been a different situation. So here's the situation: We start again, or the people saying i can't edit my post swear that they've never edited a post after they posted it.

Ps: I kinda need to know beforehand: would the proposal hostage exchange completely ruin the diplomacy? Like say a the leader of the church of Poland for a relative of the Kaiser, as insurance so that neither one of us attacks the other.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sun Dec 29, 2013 7:36 pm

Imperial City-States wrote:One turbine and your entire airship goes down .

This is a matter of if the OP allows it .

One turbine and the ship can still truck away with the others.
If you are this dead set on critiquing apps we could go and pick out the infalisces of everyone's

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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:They're airships. I don't expect such a thing from ANY nation. Unless they're less like ships and more like flying tanks. And I'm not neglecting that you only have 12,000 soldiers; that's not relevant with the topic at hand. Plus you expect me to eat that you have 300+ airships way down in Antarctica, as well as the infrastructure for such a thing.

Primary? No.

Reasoning?

That's an anti-tank rifle, isn't it? You have to be prone just to use it, and even then it could break your collar bone.
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Postby Transoxthraxia » Sun Dec 29, 2013 7:37 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Imperial City-States wrote:One turbine and your entire airship goes down .

This is a matter of if the OP allows it .

One turbine and the ship can still truck away with the others.
If you are this dead set on critiquing apps we could go and pick out the infalisces of everyone's

Not everyone's apps, just the extra stretchy ones.
Transoxthraxia wrote:Reasoning?

That's an anti-tank rifle, isn't it? You have to be prone just to use it, and even then it could break your collar bone.

It's actually a bolt-action hybrid rifle/sniper used in the video game series Metro: Last Light.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sun Dec 29, 2013 7:39 pm

Transoxthraxia wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:One turbine and the ship can still truck away with the others.

Not everyone's apps, just the extra stretchy ones.

That's an anti-tank rifle, isn't it? You have to be prone just to use it, and even then it could break your collar bone.

It's actually a bolt-action hybrid rifle/sniper used in the video game series Metro: Last Light.

? OK, that's a bit more reasonable.
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Postby Imperial City-States » Sun Dec 29, 2013 7:42 pm

And as the turbines can't have extremely heavy armor if you want your airship to be manuverable which makes your massive aircraft's turbines vulnerable to simple flak cannons and fighter craft . Your multi million dollar airship gets takin down by 250,000 dollar plane
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sun Dec 29, 2013 7:48 pm

Imperial City-States wrote:And as the turbines can't have extremely heavy armor if you want your airship to be manuverable which makes your massive aircraft's turbines vulnerable to simple flak cannons and fighter craft . Your multi million dollar airship gets takin down by 250,000 dollar plane

Unless you armor the turbines, or if you don't only have one, or if you have proper escorts, or if you have point defense weapons. You're using the same argument that people used to claim the complete obsolescence of warships, or more notably the battleship. Guess what: we still have warships, and battleships were still in use for decades, serving in WWII as both shore support bombardment and carrier escorts against *Dramatic pause* aircraft. You know what else is vulnerable to flak and fighter aircraft? Fighter aircraft.
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Postby Imperial City-States » Sun Dec 29, 2013 8:06 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Imperial City-States wrote:And as the turbines can't have extremely heavy armor if you want your airship to be manuverable which makes your massive aircraft's turbines vulnerable to simple flak cannons and fighter craft . Your multi million dollar airship gets takin down by 250,000 dollar plane

Unless you armor the turbines, or if you don't only have one, or if you have proper escorts, or if you have point defense weapons. You're using the same argument that people used to claim the complete obsolescence of warships, or more notably the battleship. Guess what: we still have warships, and battleships were still in use for decades, serving in WWII as both shore support bombardment and carrier escorts against *Dramatic pause* aircraft. You know what else is vulnerable to flak and fighter aircraft? Fighter aircraft.



You do remember the Yammamoto ? It had escorts and everything and was sunk by a topedo bomber
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sun Dec 29, 2013 8:12 pm

Imperial City-States wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Unless you armor the turbines, or if you don't only have one, or if you have proper escorts, or if you have point defense weapons. You're using the same argument that people used to claim the complete obsolescence of warships, or more notably the battleship. Guess what: we still have warships, and battleships were still in use for decades, serving in WWII as both shore support bombardment and carrier escorts against *Dramatic pause* aircraft. You know what else is vulnerable to flak and fighter aircraft? Fighter aircraft.



You do remember the Yammamoto ? It had escorts and everything and was sunk by a topedo bomber

The Yamato was a terrible ship made by a military known for preferring aesthetics over practicality. Gas hog in a nation short on oil? Check. Hindered the entire fleet's size just by being built? Check. Made with sheer size and psychological effect instead of practicality in mind? Check. Poor escort? Check. Facing an enemy that can afford to crash its entire air force and then replace it within a year? Check.
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Postby Imperial City-States » Sun Dec 29, 2013 8:21 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Imperial City-States wrote:

You do remember the Yammamoto ? It had escorts and everything and was sunk by a topedo bomber

The Yamato was a terrible ship made by a military known for preferring aesthetics over practicality. Gas hog in a nation short on oil? Check. Hindered the entire fleet's size just by being built? Check. Made with sheer size and psychological effect instead of practicality in mind? Check. Poor escort? Check. Facing an enemy that can afford to crash its entire air force and then replace it within a year? Check.


That wasn't the point , point was is a large "ship " regardless of defenses is vulnerable to fighter craft and missiles
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sun Dec 29, 2013 8:23 pm

Imperial City-States wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:The Yamato was a terrible ship made by a military known for preferring aesthetics over practicality. Gas hog in a nation short on oil? Check. Hindered the entire fleet's size just by being built? Check. Made with sheer size and psychological effect instead of practicality in mind? Check. Poor escort? Check. Facing an enemy that can afford to crash its entire air force and then replace it within a year? Check.


That wasn't the point , point was is a large "ship " regardless of defenses is vulnerable to fighter craft and missiles

The point, if I recall correctly, was the level of suspension of disbelief required for your app; a topic you have strayed from.
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Postby Imperial City-States » Sun Dec 29, 2013 8:28 pm

The primary points you had an issue with

•Antarctic area capable of the amount of industry I have stated is present in my app
•Large fleet of airships
- which has been explained on multiple counts
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sun Dec 29, 2013 8:35 pm

Imperial City-States wrote:The primary points you had an issue with

•Antarctic area capable of the amount of industry I have stated is present in my app

Entire underground rail system covering Antarctica? So totally justifiable.
•Large fleet of airships
- which has been explained on multiple counts

But never justified. Mostly you've just been explaining why your airship fleet would be easy to shoot down.
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Postby Neros » Sun Dec 29, 2013 8:38 pm

Imperial City-States wrote:The primary points you had an issue with

•Antarctic area capable of the amount of industry I have stated is present in my app
•Large fleet of airships
- which has been explained on multiple counts


* Where are you capable of building these ships? If not and you purchase them, where did you get the money to purchase them?

* Even with such a large fleet, and your small population as you keep referencing, how is it all manned? Gigantic fleets require cooks, medical persons, and their docks require around-the-clock maintenance. Your entire nation would be focused on maintaining an Air Fleet and have no room for industry, or anything else.

Really this whole thing can be ended with a balanced portions of your military. Small army, small navy, small air force so that they were well-maintained and effective for their size.

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Imperial City-States wrote:The primary points you had an issue with

•Antarctic area capable of the amount of industry I have stated is present in my app

Entire underground rail system covering Antarctica? So totally justifiable.
•Large fleet of airships
- which has been explained on multiple counts

But never justified. Mostly you've just been explaining why your airship fleet would be easy to shoot down.


The way you argue things simply annoys the fuck out of me. You're going to want to know why, but I'm not really sure I can explain it.

Mainly, you're just an asshole about it.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sun Dec 29, 2013 8:41 pm

Neros wrote:
Imperial City-States wrote:The primary points you had an issue with

•Antarctic area capable of the amount of industry I have stated is present in my app
•Large fleet of airships
- which has been explained on multiple counts


* Where are you capable of building these ships? If not and you purchase them, where did you get the money to purchase them?

* Even with such a large fleet, and your small population as you keep referencing, how is it all manned? Gigantic fleets require cooks, medical persons, and their docks require around-the-clock maintenance. Your entire nation would be focused on maintaining an Air Fleet and have no room for industry, or anything else.

Really this whole thing can be ended with a balanced portions of your military. Small army, small navy, small air force so that they were well-maintained and effective for their size.

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Entire underground rail system covering Antarctica? So totally justifiable.

But never justified. Mostly you've just been explaining why your airship fleet would be easy to shoot down.


The way you argue things simply annoys the fuck out of me. You're going to want to know why, but I'm not really sure I can explain it.

Mainly, you're just an asshole about it.

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Postby Imperial City-States » Sun Dec 29, 2013 9:02 pm

I never once stated I was trying to make an educated argument

I am fully aware of the faults at hand within my app and I am fully aware that you consider me an asshole which is actually quite funny .

The main issues that I have present -

- unreasonably large Airship force that would cost a metric-ton to maintain -
•in the app I have just updated the majority of ships are in dry-dock and the frigate force (changed to 130 ) acts primarily as cargo haulers and coast guard during peace time . They are the size of a large fishing boat or about equivalent size to a heavy tank

-ways of supporting operations cost
• again made many edits (likely not enough ) stating that my Nations primary source of income is based of exporting Refined goods , Military expertise and Technical training
This also folds slightly into my lack of minerals within an easily assessable range .

As you have addressed the problem of being able to man that amount of vessels .
Not all would be active at one time as per common sense and logistical issues . The numbers I out forth were to represent the entirety of the Air forces when it comes to large vessels


-Rail road system -
•obviously to me at least I didn't mean that every square inch of my area is covered in railroads . Yes I did say "criss-cross" and that was more then likely incorrect usage of the word .



-explanations of Airships being easy to shoot down -
•I am fully aware of what I have been saying , however given my geographic location traditional vessels are unwise because of the issues presented by Ice . The whole talking about how easy they are to take down is to provide a little bit of backing (if uninformed on most of my arguments to present ) as to why such larger numbers are not extremely decisive and not over powered .

Again this isn't likely to make a god damn difference on what you think of my App nor myself
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sun Dec 29, 2013 9:12 pm

Imperial City-States wrote:I never once stated I was trying to make an educated argument

I am fully aware of the faults at hand within my app and I am fully aware that you consider me an asshole which is actually quite funny .

The main issues that I have present -

- unreasonably large Airship force that would cost a metric-ton to maintain -
•in the app I have just updated the majority of ships are in dry-dock and the frigate force (changed to 130 ) acts primarily as cargo haulers and coast guard during peace time . They are the size of a large fishing boat or about equivalent size to a heavy tank

-ways of supporting operations cost
• again made many edits (likely not enough ) stating that my Nations primary source of income is based of exporting Refined goods , Military expertise and Technical training
This also folds slightly into my lack of minerals within an easily assessable range .

As you have addressed the problem of being able to man that amount of vessels .
Not all would be active at one time as per common sense and logistical issues . The numbers I out forth were to represent the entirety of the Air forces when it comes to large vessels


-Rail road system -
•obviously to me at least I didn't mean that every square inch of my area is covered in railroads . Yes I did say "criss-cross" and that was more then likely incorrect usage of the word .



-explanations of Airships being easy to shoot down -
•I am fully aware of what I have been saying , however given my geographic location traditional vessels are unwise because of the issues presented by Ice . The whole talking about how easy they are to take down is to provide a little bit of backing (if uninformed on most of my arguments to present ) as to why such larger numbers are not extremely decisive and not over powered .

Again this isn't likely to make a god damn difference on what you think of my App nor myself

And I never once thought you were trying to make an educated argument.

Don't see how refining goods and sharing military expertise is capable of sustaining your economy.
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Postby Neros » Sun Dec 29, 2013 9:15 pm

Imperial City-States wrote:I never once stated I was trying to make an educated argument

I am fully aware of the faults at hand within my app and I am fully aware that you consider me an asshole which is actually quite funny .

The main issues that I have present -

- unreasonably large Airship force that would cost a metric-ton to maintain -
•in the app I have just updated the majority of ships are in dry-dock and the frigate force (changed to 130 ) acts primarily as cargo haulers and coast guard during peace time . They are the size of a large fishing boat or about equivalent size to a heavy tank

-ways of supporting operations cost
• again made many edits (likely not enough ) stating that my Nations primary source of income is based of exporting Refined goods , Military expertise and Technical training
This also folds slightly into my lack of minerals within an easily assessable range .

As you have addressed the problem of being able to man that amount of vessels .
Not all would be active at one time as per common sense and logistical issues . The numbers I out forth were to represent the entirety of the Air forces when it comes to large vessels


-Rail road system -
•obviously to me at least I didn't mean that every square inch of my area is covered in railroads . Yes I did say "criss-cross" and that was more then likely incorrect usage of the word .



-explanations of Airships being easy to shoot down -
•I am fully aware of what I have been saying , however given my geographic location traditional vessels are unwise because of the issues presented by Ice . The whole talking about how easy they are to take down is to provide a little bit of backing (if uninformed on most of my arguments to present ) as to why such larger numbers are not extremely decisive and not over powered .

Again this isn't likely to make a god damn difference on what you think of my App nor myself


Alright then. First, you're not an asshole, I replied to Pretendia on that one. They're being an absolute dick about the entire thing and it's annoying me.

You're fixing your application, which is great because we are addressing issues and you're responding to them. My suggestion is to fill out a superweapon application and have some sort of deep-drilling rig that uses perhaps five men or so and can drill and harvest metals, minerals and the like far below the ice sheet. That will be a start to fixing problems of resources and industry.

Again, lowering numbers is always good to reduce costs on the government and the people. However, with more resources to export via my suggestion, you could afford a large force to defend yourself, but you may have to use foreign merc's to supplement a lack of able bodied citizens, as they will all be employed in the military, resource extraction, or industry. Another remedy for this is to have the military BE the government itself, so you can control just about everything going on.

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Imperial City-States wrote:I never once stated I was trying to make an educated argument

I am fully aware of the faults at hand within my app and I am fully aware that you consider me an asshole which is actually quite funny .

The main issues that I have present -

- unreasonably large Airship force that would cost a metric-ton to maintain -
•in the app I have just updated the majority of ships are in dry-dock and the frigate force (changed to 130 ) acts primarily as cargo haulers and coast guard during peace time . They are the size of a large fishing boat or about equivalent size to a heavy tank

-ways of supporting operations cost
• again made many edits (likely not enough ) stating that my Nations primary source of income is based of exporting Refined goods , Military expertise and Technical training
This also folds slightly into my lack of minerals within an easily assessable range .

As you have addressed the problem of being able to man that amount of vessels .
Not all would be active at one time as per common sense and logistical issues . The numbers I out forth were to represent the entirety of the Air forces when it comes to large vessels


-Rail road system -
•obviously to me at least I didn't mean that every square inch of my area is covered in railroads . Yes I did say "criss-cross" and that was more then likely incorrect usage of the word .



-explanations of Airships being easy to shoot down -
•I am fully aware of what I have been saying , however given my geographic location traditional vessels are unwise because of the issues presented by Ice . The whole talking about how easy they are to take down is to provide a little bit of backing (if uninformed on most of my arguments to present ) as to why such larger numbers are not extremely decisive and not over powered .

Again this isn't likely to make a god damn difference on what you think of my App nor myself

And I never once thought you were trying to make an educated argument.

Don't see how refining goods and sharing military expertise is capable of sustaining your economy.


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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sun Dec 29, 2013 9:17 pm

Neros wrote:
Imperial City-States wrote:I never once stated I was trying to make an educated argument

I am fully aware of the faults at hand within my app and I am fully aware that you consider me an asshole which is actually quite funny .

The main issues that I have present -

- unreasonably large Airship force that would cost a metric-ton to maintain -
•in the app I have just updated the majority of ships are in dry-dock and the frigate force (changed to 130 ) acts primarily as cargo haulers and coast guard during peace time . They are the size of a large fishing boat or about equivalent size to a heavy tank

-ways of supporting operations cost
• again made many edits (likely not enough ) stating that my Nations primary source of income is based of exporting Refined goods , Military expertise and Technical training
This also folds slightly into my lack of minerals within an easily assessable range .

As you have addressed the problem of being able to man that amount of vessels .
Not all would be active at one time as per common sense and logistical issues . The numbers I out forth were to represent the entirety of the Air forces when it comes to large vessels


-Rail road system -
•obviously to me at least I didn't mean that every square inch of my area is covered in railroads . Yes I did say "criss-cross" and that was more then likely incorrect usage of the word .



-explanations of Airships being easy to shoot down -
•I am fully aware of what I have been saying , however given my geographic location traditional vessels are unwise because of the issues presented by Ice . The whole talking about how easy they are to take down is to provide a little bit of backing (if uninformed on most of my arguments to present ) as to why such larger numbers are not extremely decisive and not over powered .

Again this isn't likely to make a god damn difference on what you think of my App nor myself


Alright then. First, you're not an asshole, I replied to Pretendia on that one. They're being an absolute dick about the entire thing and it's annoying me.

You're fixing your application, which is great because we are addressing issues and you're responding to them. My suggestion is to fill out a superweapon application and have some sort of deep-drilling rig that uses perhaps five men or so and can drill and harvest metals, minerals and the like far below the ice sheet. That will be a start to fixing problems of resources and industry.

Again, lowering numbers is always good to reduce costs on the government and the people. However, with more resources to export via my suggestion, you could afford a large force to defend yourself, but you may have to use foreign merc's to supplement a lack of able bodied citizens, as they will all be employed in the military, resource extraction, or industry. Another remedy for this is to have the military BE the government itself, so you can control just about everything going on.

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:And I never once thought you were trying to make an educated argument.

Don't see how refining goods and sharing military expertise is capable of sustaining your economy.


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Postby Imperial City-States » Sun Dec 29, 2013 9:18 pm

China primarily builds things for people and is an economic super power .

Refining goods was just one example I was using . There are of course other sources that are in my updated app (if I remember correctly , have re-written it two or three times )

That would be a simple remedy , changing to a militarygovernment which I think I might do for simplicity . As I'm already Militaristic and facist .

As for the mining platform your suggesting . Powered by a tesla core of what would you suggest ?
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Imperial City-States wrote:China primarily builds things for people and is an economic super power .

Refining goods was just one example I was using . There are of course other sources that are in my updated app (if I remember correctly , have re-written it two or three times )

That would be a simple remedy , changing to a militarygovernment which I think I might do for simplicity . As I'm already Militaristic and facist .

As for the mining platform your suggesting . Powered by a tesla core of what would you suggest ?

Tesla core, of course.
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Postby Neros » Sun Dec 29, 2013 9:22 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Neros wrote:
Alright then. First, you're not an asshole, I replied to Pretendia on that one. They're being an absolute dick about the entire thing and it's annoying me.

You're fixing your application, which is great because we are addressing issues and you're responding to them. My suggestion is to fill out a superweapon application and have some sort of deep-drilling rig that uses perhaps five men or so and can drill and harvest metals, minerals and the like far below the ice sheet. That will be a start to fixing problems of resources and industry.

Again, lowering numbers is always good to reduce costs on the government and the people. However, with more resources to export via my suggestion, you could afford a large force to defend yourself, but you may have to use foreign merc's to supplement a lack of able bodied citizens, as they will all be employed in the military, resource extraction, or industry. Another remedy for this is to have the military BE the government itself, so you can control just about everything going on.



In response to you response, here.

"Your request violates the Baldwin County Board of Education Internet Usage Policy and the CIPA Act of 2001"

School-issued laptop, blocks Youtube. What is it?

A scene from the Big Lebowksi in which The Dude is picking up Walter and Walter, being both John Goodman and the asshole that he is, is asking the The Dude "Am I wrong? Am I wrong?"

To which The Dude responds, "No, Walter, you're not wrong, you're just an asshole."

Applied to this situation, I'm not saying you're wrong because you're not, I am saying that you are an asshole. You handled this situation absolutely terribly and really it could have been solved easily by explaining your points of argument.

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Postby Neros » Sun Dec 29, 2013 9:23 pm

Imperial City-States wrote:China primarily builds things for people and is an economic super power .

Refining goods was just one example I was using . There are of course other sources that are in my updated app (if I remember correctly , have re-written it two or three times )

That would be a simple remedy , changing to a militarygovernment which I think I might do for simplicity . As I'm already Militaristic and facist .

As for the mining platform your suggesting . Powered by a tesla core of what would you suggest ?

Coal or Steam powered, for simplicity. You possess enough coal and water (dat ice) to produce pressure mining and practice hydraulic fracking to gain resources. Those engines are easy to produce and thus can be made in large quantities.

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Neros wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:"Your request violates the Baldwin County Board of Education Internet Usage Policy and the CIPA Act of 2001"

School-issued laptop, blocks Youtube. What is it?

A scene from the Big Lebowksi in which The Dude is picking up Walter and Walter, being both John Goodman and the asshole that he is, is asking the The Dude "Am I wrong? Am I wrong?"

To which The Dude responds, "No, Walter, you're not wrong, you're just an asshole."

Applied to this situation, I'm not saying you're wrong because you're not, I am saying that you are an asshole. You handled this situation absolutely terribly and really it could have been solved easily by explaining your points of argument.

True. I do need to watch that movie.
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Postby Imperial City-States » Sun Dec 29, 2013 9:33 pm

App has been updated to have the following


-Government : Military Hierarchy --
So I can justify having a large military , physical military size remained the same

Super weapon :
"Termite" deep core mining vehicle

Uses several steam engines and a single tesla power core for use in emergencys .
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Saurisisia wrote:Nation Name:
Imperio Mexicano, the Mexican Empire or, as the official name goes, the Empire of Mexico

Flag:


Coat of Arms/Seal:


Other Symbols:
N/A

Population:
15,350,626

Location/Claims:
Mexico and the rest of Central America that hasn't been claimed already

Capital City:
Mexico City

Government Type:
Constitutional Monarchy

Ideologies:
Monarchism, Freedom

Leader/s:
Emperor Augustine III

Main Imports:
Machinery, airships and airship parts

Main Exports:
Oil, Manufactured goods, agricultural products

Economy:
A mix between industry and agrarian, the cities and their surrounding areas are heavily industrialized and there's numerous factories scattered throughout the country, particularly in the densely-populated center and north. However, in the south, farms are dominant and it is there that people grow fruits, vegetables, coffee, and cotton to sell to other countries.

Infrastructure:
A mixed bag; in the north and center, it's modern stone roads but in the south, the roads are dirt. Of course, a nationwide upgrade is underway with railroads currently under construction that, once completed, will crisscross the country and allow people to travel from one side of the Empire to the other.

Army:
The Army, at its core, is composed of some twenty thousand regulars backed up by fifty thousand conscript troops. The regulars are well-trained, well-disciplined, and battle-hardened from the years of revolution against Spain while the conscripts are dedicated toward to fighting for their Empire. These are backed up by armored vehicles numbering in the hundreds as well as numerous artillery guns prepared to rain death upon the enemies of Mexico.

Navy:
A large navy is maintained with 95 warships which include battleships (12), cruisers (20), destroyers (30), frigates (33), supported by sixty axillary and transport vessels.

Aerial Fleet:
The Aerial Fleet of Mexico is a small one indeed due to Mexico's current lack of proper facilities to build and maintain airships. Only eight currently exist, all of which were built in Europe, meaning that the Empire's strengths lay in the ground and at sea rather than in the air. The airships in question are powered by propellers and are powerful and well-armored though expensive and time-consuming to maintain, considering the Empire has to have European mechanics keep them in shape.

Goals:
To take back California, Texas, and the rest of the land lost by America and become a true Great Power on the world stage.

History:
The land that is now Mexico was once the home to multiple tribes and small nations, the most notable of which being the mighty Aztec Empire which dominated much of central Mexico. The Empire died along with Native American sovereignty when the Spanish conquered Mexico and made it a colony, dubbing it Nueva Espana or New Spain. In the second half of the fifteenth century, however, the Spanish colonial rule was challenged by a revolt as part of the Great Uprisings experienced by Spanish colonies throughout the world, led by Catholic priest Miguel Hidalgo y Costilla who saw that Spain's military was handicapped by its war with France. He declared Mexican independence in the small town of Dolores on September 16, 1560 but it would take years of warfare until the Spanish finally recognized Mexico as an independent state in 1572 as part of the Plan of Iguala, which was signed after the revolutionaries stormed Mexico City on April 14 of that year.

The original leaders of the revolt had already been executed by the local government before the end of the conflict but it had been won and Mexico was independent. Now it was time to decide who would lead the country and thus, Mexico saw several governmental transitions until, in 1564, supporters of a creole general named Agustín de Iturbide who served as current regent of a provisional junta government marched into the capital and demanded that he become a monarch. The Mexican Congress obliged, declaring the general Emperor of Mexico and thus became Augustine I, First Emperor of Mexico and founding member of the House of Iturbide. In the last few decades of the 16th century, the still-developing Empire lost its northern territories of Texas and California in a disastrous war with the Americans which resulted in a brief period of political and economic instability where army generals and republican revolutionaries attempted multiple times to overthrow the Emperor and establish their own government. By the dawn of the 17th century, things had settled down and the Empire began building up its military and infrastructure, never forgetting their humiliation and using the memory of it to drive them further on their path to greatness as the Empire is poised to seek revenge and become an American power the nations of Europe and Asia would come to respect and admire.

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