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Postby Norvenia » Sat Mar 01, 2014 9:29 am

Agritum wrote:
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:Which is also Obama's options. So not fair to be pissed at him for it.

Not really. He's got much more political power than the EU right now, and even then, he should at least weigh on the issue in some way or another.


He has.

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Postby Agritum » Sat Mar 01, 2014 9:30 am

Norvenia wrote:
Agritum wrote:Not really. He's got much more political power than the EU right now, and even then, he should at least weigh on the issue in some way or another.


He has.

It reminds me too much of his "red line" on Syria, unfortunately.

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Postby Norvenia » Sat Mar 01, 2014 9:30 am

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He has.

It reminds me too much of his "red line" on Syria, unfortunately.


I agree. But it's better than nothing.

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Postby Nationstatelandsville » Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:10 am

Agritum wrote:
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:Which is also Obama's options. So not fair to be pissed at him for it.

Not really. He's got much more political power than the EU right now, and even then, he should at least weigh on the issue in some way or another.

We're not going to war over this; there's absolutely no fucking way the President would be that stupid.
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Postby Agritum » Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:15 am

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Agritum wrote:Not really. He's got much more political power than the EU right now, and even then, he should at least weigh on the issue in some way or another.

We're not going to war over this; there's absolutely no fucking way the President would be that stupid.

I'm not saying that. Rather, Obama could have issued much fiercer rethoric against Russia and their invasion of Ukraine, along with an actual, serious condemnation. Heck, Putin himself did the former when speaking of the EU and US.
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:19 am

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Nationstatelandsville wrote:We're not going to war over this; there's absolutely no fucking way the President would be that stupid.

I'm not saying that. Rather, Obama could have issued much fiercer rethoric against Russia and their invasion of Ukraine, along with an actual, serious condemnation. Heck, Putin himself did the former when speaking of the EU and US.

Putin would do the former if Obama's dog pissed on his carpet.

But enough about Joe Biden.
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:20 am

The ending of Twitch Plays Pokemon was oddly poetic.

Red is finally free of the voices.
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Postby Nationstatelandsville » Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:21 am

This concerns me; Yanukovych is not only a petty son-of-a-bitch, but a competent media manipulator.

Agritum wrote:
Nationstatelandsville wrote:We're not going to war over this; there's absolutely no fucking way the President would be that stupid.

I'm not saying that. Rather, Obama could have issued much fiercer rethoric against Russia and their invasion of Ukraine, along with an actual, serious condemnation. Heck, Putin himself did the former when speaking of the EU and US.

And then what? What does the accomplish? OK, so we're very not happy with Putin? We don't like him very much right now. Bad Putin! Bad! Go in the corner!

But we can't do anything. We could cut economic ties, sure; but does that really slow Putin down? And do we really value Crimea (though I don't see him stopping there) that much?

The fact of the matter is that that slimy bastard wedged himself into a corner where we can't catch hm, a place where we would only harm ourselves far too much. And it's not the President's fault, it's an unfortunate quirk of foreign policy.
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Postby Agritum » Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:22 am

Nationstatelandsville wrote:This concerns me; Yanukovych is not only a petty son-of-a-bitch, but a competent media manipulator.

Agritum wrote:I'm not saying that. Rather, Obama could have issued much fiercer rethoric against Russia and their invasion of Ukraine, along with an actual, serious condemnation. Heck, Putin himself did the former when speaking of the EU and US.

And then what? What does the accomplish? OK, so we're very not happy with Putin? We don't like him very much right now. Bad Putin! Bad! Go in the corner!

But we can't do anything. We could cut economic ties, sure; but does that really slow Putin down? And do we really value Crimea (though I don't see him stopping there) that much?

The fact of the matter is that that slimy bastard wedged himself into a corner where we can't catch hm, a place where we would only harm ourselves far too much. And it's not the President's fault, it's an unfortunate quirk of foreign policy.

But by doing nothing, the US just confirms that it's slowly becoming Russia's bitch on foreign policy. And that's quite a bad thing, given that it will just give Russia more momentum and motivation to continue destabilizing Europe and Asia for their own gains.
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Postby Nationstatelandsville » Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:23 am

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Nationstatelandsville wrote:This concerns me; Yanukovych is not only a petty son-of-a-bitch, but a competent media manipulator.


And then what? What does the accomplish? OK, so we're very not happy with Putin? We don't like him very much right now. Bad Putin! Bad! Go in the corner!

But we can't do anything. We could cut economic ties, sure; but does that really slow Putin down? And do we really value Crimea (though I don't see him stopping there) that much?

The fact of the matter is that that slimy bastard wedged himself into a corner where we can't catch hm, a place where we would only harm ourselves far too much. And it's not the President's fault, it's an unfortunate quirk of foreign policy.

But by doing nothing, the US just confirms that it's slowly becoming Russia's bitch on foreign policy.

Who gives a shit?

Is that our priority? Looking big and powerful? Because the fact of the matter is, we could - if we really wanted to - wipe Russia from the face of the fucking planet all by ourselves. But why would we?
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:25 am

Nationstatelandsville wrote:
Agritum wrote:But by doing nothing, the US just confirms that it's slowly becoming Russia's bitch on foreign policy.

Who gives a shit?

Is that our priority? Looking big and powerful? Because the fact of the matter is, we could - if we really wanted to - wipe Russia from the face of the fucking planet all by ourselves. But why would we?

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Wow. I had a really strage and depressing dream, yet I think it would make an incredible story if I could remember the details well enoigh.
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Postby Agritum » Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:27 am

Nationstatelandsville wrote:
Agritum wrote:But by doing nothing, the US just confirms that it's slowly becoming Russia's bitch on foreign policy.

Who gives a shit?

Is that our priority? Looking big and powerful? Because the fact of the matter is, we could - if we really wanted to - wipe Russia from the face of the fucking planet all by ourselves. But why would we?

Because looking big and powerful sends a big fucking message to the Russians, namely "Don't do stupid shit or we'll come crashing into you with our political capital". Right now, Russia is taking advantage of said message not happening, and the Ukrainian Crisis and coming invasion of Crimea are its results.

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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:29 am

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Postby Nationstatelandsville » Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:29 am

Olthar wrote:Wow. I had a really strage and depressing dream, yet I think it would make an incredible story if I could remember the details well enoigh.

Hmm?

Agritum wrote:
Nationstatelandsville wrote:Who gives a shit?

Is that our priority? Looking big and powerful? Because the fact of the matter is, we could - if we really wanted to - wipe Russia from the face of the fucking planet all by ourselves. But why would we?

Because looking big and powerful sends a big fucking message to the Russians, namely "Don't do stupid shit or we'll come crashing into you with our political capital". Right now, Russia is taking advantage of said message not happening, and the Ukrainian Crisis and coming invasion of Crimea are its results.

Putin knows exactly what we could do. He also knows, no matter how much we bitch, we aren't going to spark "WWIII" over Ukraine.
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Postby Agritum » Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:30 am

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:

It was a long and great saga, truly.

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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:31 am

Agritum wrote:
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:

It was a long and great saga, truly.

I loved it.

I wonder what they'll do in Generation II.
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Postby Agritum » Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:32 am

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
Agritum wrote:It was a long and great saga, truly.

I loved it.

I wonder what they'll do in Generation II.

Do stupid shit with bikes.

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Postby Nationstatelandsville » Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:32 am

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
Agritum wrote:It was a long and great saga, truly.

I loved it.

I wonder what they'll do in Generation II.

I doubt anyone will play it, frankly.
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Postby Astrolinium » Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:33 am

Agritum wrote:
Nationstatelandsville wrote:Who gives a shit?

Is that our priority? Looking big and powerful? Because the fact of the matter is, we could - if we really wanted to - wipe Russia from the face of the fucking planet all by ourselves. But why would we?

Because looking big and powerful sends a big fucking message to the Russians, namely "Don't do stupid shit or we'll come crashing into you with our political capital". Right now, Russia is taking advantage of said message not happening, and the Ukrainian Crisis and coming invasion of Crimea are its results.


Honestly?

Why's it our problem, why's it our issue, and why's it our fight?
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Postby Agritum » Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:35 am

Astrolinium wrote:
Agritum wrote:Because looking big and powerful sends a big fucking message to the Russians, namely "Don't do stupid shit or we'll come crashing into you with our political capital". Right now, Russia is taking advantage of said message not happening, and the Ukrainian Crisis and coming invasion of Crimea are its results.


Honestly?

Why's it our problem, why's it our issue, and why's it our fight?

Seriously, guys, this kind attitude will only bring to your downfall as a superpower.

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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:36 am

Agritum wrote:
Astrolinium wrote:
Honestly?

Why's it our problem, why's it our issue, and why's it our fight?

Seriously, guys, this kind attitude will only bring to your downfall as a superpower.

I really, sincerely doubt it.
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Postby Agritum » Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:36 am

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
Agritum wrote:Seriously, guys, this kind attitude will only bring to your downfall as a superpower.

I really, sincerely doubt it.

I have some pretty nice TGs by Cani on the matter, if you are interested.
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Postby Nationstatelandsville » Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:37 am

Astrolinium wrote:
Agritum wrote:Because looking big and powerful sends a big fucking message to the Russians, namely "Don't do stupid shit or we'll come crashing into you with our political capital". Right now, Russia is taking advantage of said message not happening, and the Ukrainian Crisis and coming invasion of Crimea are its results.


Honestly?

Why's it our problem, why's it our issue, and why's it our fight?

Because when shit goes wrong, most people look to us to fix it.

Which is bullshit; we as a nation cannot afford to be a paragon. It's a romantic ideal, sure, but we have our own interests we need to consider - not out of selfishness, but for concern for our people.

One of those interests is not breaking our foot in the process of kicking Russia's skull in.

Agritum wrote:
Astrolinium wrote:
Honestly?

Why's it our problem, why's it our issue, and why's it our fight?

Seriously, guys, this kind attitude will only bring to your downfall as a superpower.

And?

If this is the cost of being a "superpower", maybe we can skip the fancy title and just be a goddamn country?
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Postby Constaniana » Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:38 am

Olthar wrote:Wow. I had a really strage and depressing dream, yet I think it would make an incredible story if I could remember the details well enoigh.

My dream had some psychopathic monster that kept stalking me through school and wouldn't die when I shot it, though it was oddly susceptible to hordes of Tommynators that I could somehow summon.
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