History of Man III (OOC, Always Open)

[Horusland]

Who is the blue nation that owns Sulawesi?

Ardovizia/Ardovicia. Allen.

[Altito Asmoro]

Who is the blue nation that owns Sulawesi?

Ardovizia/Ardovicia. Allen.

So he's the dark blue nation?

[Horusland]

Ardovizia/Ardovicia. Allen.

So he's the dark blue nation?

Yep. The roleplay's Netherlands.

[Altito Asmoro]

So he's the dark blue nation?

Yep. The roleplay's Netherlands.

I though he was larger. He does has the best navy in Europe.

[Horusland]

Yep. The roleplay's Netherlands.

I though he was larger. He does has the best navy in Europe.

And he beat up Neo 4 times now.

[Altito Asmoro]

I though he was larger. He does has the best navy in Europe.

And he beat up Neo 4 times now.

What a great military leader. No wonder he can be this universe's Great Britain. And I am this universe's Japan.

[Alleniana]

That's the thing; since we started well before prehistory, there is no Australian Aborigine population to speak of, at least, not one worth mentioning; somewhat similar to Britain before the Beaker people, for example.

The Rawhitiroan culture is indubitably the native one; the inland ones are likely living a lifestyle somewhat similar to RL Aborigines, and though some pre-settlement people remain, they would be very few. In waging war against them, you would have to fight the kind of war that the British had to fight to take over the Maoris; they are entrenched into their land.

What war with the Maori? The Maori fought each other in the Musket Wars, but the British didn't fight a war to enforce the Treaty of Waitangi; they hadn't needed to after the Musket Wars and the same diseases that ravaged other native populations took its toll. I've by no means said they're not attached to their land, and I'm not taking it away from them. Generally speaking, however, the colonization of the Pacific was peaceful compared to the Indian Wars in North America, the Sepoy Mutiny, the Zulu Wars, the Boer Wars, and Afghanistan.

As for the claims, we use Vicky 2 map and there is a very clear line of provinces that determines coast vs desert, so no matter about that.

That's not what I mean. I meant there are no borders currently on the map that represent what the actual claim would be, which as in real-life would be based on geographic features. So as a substitute, I chose existing borders. If Calt would like to draw in new borders, I'm fine with that, and I've mentioned what it would look like.

ANd as for coast control; most of the coast from the Kimberly Range to Cape York is pretty much unsettleable except by people very experienced with the land, in small, specialized housing. You can effectively claim all the coastline you wish for, but OOCly, as a sidenote, most of Queensland's coast will not be as easy to control as even NSW desert, since it's basically rainforest, bush, etc.

As for pop, I assume some millions, most of which would be concentrated in the southeast or New Zealand

Which is what I assumed, so this discussion of the size of the desert areas doesn't seem to be all that relevant, given that NZ is already claimed and the concentration of the population means that the rest is from a conquest standpoint rather irrelevant. Empty desert doesn't rebel, and the population isn't large enough to heavily populate very many regions, meaning that some by necessity must remain largely empty. I merely assume this pattern follows IRL patterns for the same reason (geography).

At this point, it seems we've largely agreed that the population would be distributed in the southeast, as it presently is, and that due to the inhospitable terrain, settlements would not be that common elsewhere. I had assumed Rawhitiroa was making at least some kind of push for modernization, which also entails a trend toward urbanization and the further concentration of the population, in this case in coastal cities where the economic opportunities are greater, particularly for a seafaring people. But this cuts both ways, since it also makes it more susceptible to attack.

With the population centers dealt with, the rest would not for the most part be a huge military issue. The remaining communities would be too spread out to effectively field a force capable of fight
ing a formal army, so it would not be especially difficult to pacify them.

Am on tablet so cant type much

I know the Brits fought Maoris somewhere; there were gunfighter pas and flagpole cutting. I am saying that kind of warfare is what makes it hard.

Horus has solved it, so meh. Rawhitiroa was not making any push at modernisation though.

Bujahla! Hi. You could rp as Enner, i plan to collapse it.

Altito; my strength is not in size, nor is any other nation's. havent you seen me on map before?

Also, i am Hozida not Ardovicia

[Alleniana]

And he beat up Neo 4 times now.

What a great military leader. No wonder he can be this universe's Great Britain. And I am this universe's Japan.

Nah, Neo lets me. he is going to beat me up for WWII though.

[Neo-Assyrian Empire]

Hi guys :3
So since its the holidays like now, I think I wanna join again, but just RP a temporary nation for the time. I dont know, is that okay Horus? Any nation wanna loose a colony? lol

Bujahla, welcome back! You could take my Argentian colony, otherwise known as the giant pale blob in South America. I want to let that colony die/have a revolution

What a great military leader. No wonder he can be this universe's Great Britain. And I am this universe's Japan.

Nah, Neo lets me. he is going to beat me up for WWII though.

And World War I... and this one... *Hopes for that to happen*

[Altito Asmoro]

What war with the Maori? The Maori fought each other in the Musket Wars, but the British didn't fight a war to enforce the Treaty of Waitangi; they hadn't needed to after the Musket Wars and the same diseases that ravaged other native populations took its toll. I've by no means said they're not attached to their land, and I'm not taking it away from them. Generally speaking, however, the colonization of the Pacific was peaceful compared to the Indian Wars in North America, the Sepoy Mutiny, the Zulu Wars, the Boer Wars, and Afghanistan.



That's not what I mean. I meant there are no borders currently on the map that represent what the actual claim would be, which as in real-life would be based on geographic features. So as a substitute, I chose existing borders. If Calt would like to draw in new borders, I'm fine with that, and I've mentioned what it would look like.



Which is what I assumed, so this discussion of the size of the desert areas doesn't seem to be all that relevant, given that NZ is already claimed and the concentration of the population means that the rest is from a conquest standpoint rather irrelevant. Empty desert doesn't rebel, and the population isn't large enough to heavily populate very many regions, meaning that some by necessity must remain largely empty. I merely assume this pattern follows IRL patterns for the same reason (geography).

At this point, it seems we've largely agreed that the population would be distributed in the southeast, as it presently is, and that due to the inhospitable terrain, settlements would not be that common elsewhere. I had assumed Rawhitiroa was making at least some kind of push for modernization, which also entails a trend toward urbanization and the further concentration of the population, in this case in coastal cities where the economic opportunities are greater, particularly for a seafaring people. But this cuts both ways, since it also makes it more susceptible to attack.

With the population centers dealt with, the rest would not for the most part be a huge military issue. The remaining communities would be too spread out to effectively field a force capable of fight
ing a formal army, so it would not be especially difficult to pacify them.

Am on tablet so cant type much

I know the Brits fought Maoris somewhere; there were gunfighter pas and flagpole cutting. I am saying that kind of warfare is what makes it hard.

Horus has solved it, so meh. Rawhitiroa was not making any push at modernisation though.

Bujahla! Hi. You could rp as Enner, i plan to collapse it.

Altito; my strength is not in size, nor is any other nation's. havent you seen me on map before?

Also, i am Hozida not Ardovicia

Of course Neo will beat you. Because I will help him to defeat you and then I can take Sulawesi. The whole of Sulawesi.

[Alleniana]

Hi guys :3
So since its the holidays like now, I think I wanna join again, but just RP a temporary nation for the time. I dont know, is that okay Horus? Any nation wanna loose a colony? lol

Bujahla, welcome back! You could take my Argentian colony, otherwise known as the giant pale blob in South America. I want to let that colony die/have a revolution

Nah, Neo lets me. he is going to beat me up for WWII though.

And World War I... and this one... *Hopes for that to happen*

Lemme build an Eiffel tower for you to stick a Nazi flag on before you invade me at least

Am on tablet so cant type much

I know the Brits fought Maoris somewhere; there were gunfighter pas and flagpole cutting. I am saying that kind of warfare is what makes it hard.

Horus has solved it, so meh. Rawhitiroa was not making any push at modernisation though.

Bujahla! Hi. You could rp as Enner, i plan to collapse it.

Altito; my strength is not in size, nor is any other nation's. havent you seen me on map before?

Also, i am Hozida not Ardovicia

Of course Neo will beat you. Because I will help him to defeat you and then I can take Sulawesi. The whole of Sulawesi.

Ja... nein...
He will beat me up, but in the end fascism will die and I will be peaceful, happy and with the same borders as I have now

[Altito Asmoro]

Bujahla, welcome back! You could take my Argentian colony, otherwise known as the giant pale blob in South America. I want to let that colony die/have a revolution

And World War I... and this one... *Hopes for that to happen*

Lemme build an Eiffel tower for you to stick a Nazi flag on before you invade me at least

Of course Neo will beat you. Because I will help him to defeat you and then I can take Sulawesi. The whole of Sulawesi.

Ja... nein...
He will beat me up, but in the end fascism will die and I will be peaceful, happy and with the same borders as I have now

But I want to unite East and Southeast Asia under my banner!

[Neo-Assyrian Empire]

Bujahla, welcome back! You could take my Argentian colony, otherwise known as the giant pale blob in South America. I want to let that colony die/have a revolution

And World War I... and this one... *Hopes for that to happen*

Lemme build an Eiffel tower for you to stick a Nazi flag on before you invade me at least

Sounds good

Ja... nein...
He will beat me up, but in the end fascism will die and I will be peaceful, happy and with the same borders as I have now

I'll try to keep fascism alive for longer than it lasted IRL

Lemme build an Eiffel tower for you to stick a Nazi flag on before you invade me at least

Ja... nein...
He will beat me up, but in the end fascism will die and I will be peaceful, happy and with the same borders as I have now

But I want to unite East and Southeast Asia under my banner!

And I shall help you with that!

[Alleniana]

Lemme build an Eiffel tower for you to stick a Nazi flag on before you invade me at least

Ja... nein...
He will beat me up, but in the end fascism will die and I will be peaceful, happy and with the same borders as I have now

But I want to unite East and Southeast Asia under my banner!

You can have it after i move to Mars

[Altito Asmoro]

Lemme build an Eiffel tower for you to stick a Nazi flag on before you invade me at least

Sounds good

Ja... nein...
He will beat me up, but in the end fascism will die and I will be peaceful, happy and with the same borders as I have now

I'll try to keep fascism alive for longer than it lasted IRL

But I want to unite East and Southeast Asia under my banner!

And I shall help you with that!

Great!

But I want to unite East and Southeast Asia under my banner!

You can have it after i move to Mars

You will fall before you can.

[Quirina]

So, I have a European contestant for influence in Asia? Better make more plans of attack in Ardovicia... and the money money money needed.

What's the current year by the way?

Also for Gold, is that all you can say on the heavy penalty in your head? You're heating me up again with that short reply for not noticing our concerns. You must be kicked out! Enough of your childish drama here!

[Altito Asmoro]

So, I have a European contestant for influence in Asia? Better make more plans of attack in Ardovicia... and the money money money needed.

What's the current year by the way?

Also for Gold, is that all you can say on the heavy penalty in your head? You're heating me up again with that short reply for not noticing our concerns. You must be kicked out! Enough of your childish drama here!

This is getting out of control again. We need to working together to vanquish Ardovicia! Split the Sulawesi, half for me and half for you.

[Horusland]

1. So, I have a European contestant for influence in Asia? Better make more plans of attack in Ardovicia... and the money money money needed.

2. What's the current year by the way?

3. Also for Gold, is that all you can say on the heavy penalty in your head? You're heating me up again with that short reply for not noticing our concerns. You must be kicked out! Enough of your childish drama here!

1. Allen only wants Sulawesi. More important Asian colonizers are Voldo and....... Voldo.........
2. Check the OP.
3. Not your decision.

[Equalium]

Lemme build an Eiffel tower for you to stick a Nazi flag on before you invade me at least

Ja... nein...
He will beat me up, but in the end fascism will die and I will be peaceful, happy and with the same borders as I have now

But I want to unite East and Southeast Asia under my banner!

That's an impossible goal.

[Equalium]

1. So, I have a European contestant for influence in Asia? Better make more plans of attack in Ardovicia... and the money money money needed.

2. What's the current year by the way?

3. Also for Gold, is that all you can say on the heavy penalty in your head? You're heating me up again with that short reply for not noticing our concerns. You must be kicked out! Enough of your childish drama here!

1. Allen only wants Sulawesi. More important Asian colonizers are Voldo and....... Voldo.........
2. Check the OP.
3. Not your decision.

Horus, I honestly agree with 3. I think Gold really should be kicked out. I'm getting sick of his childish games on here... I think all of us are.

[Neo-Assyrian Empire]

So, I have a European contestant for influence in Asia? Better make more plans of attack in Ardovicia... and the money money money needed.

What's the current year by the way?

Also for Gold, is that all you can say on the heavy penalty in your head? You're heating me up again with that short reply for not noticing our concerns. You must be kicked out! Enough of your childish drama here!

I believe it is 1812 1814.

And Gold has been told to knock it off and change his posts several times. I am not amused by his antics any more...

[Horusland]

That's an impossible goal.

...said the roleplayer on the landgrabbish roleplay.

Horus, I honestly agree with 3. I think Gold really should be kicked out. I'm getting sick of his childish games on here... I think all of us are.

I did not say I will not kick him out. He's on his last warning. Tell me if he does anything else.

[Aurixa]

Anything new happening?

[Horusland]

I believe it is 1812 1814.

1812. RP is in UTC. 1814 starts in 6 hours.

[Altito Asmoro]

Altito, can you summarize what happened during the Sengoku Jidai and any major events after that so that I can figure out what the heck Japan is doing, at the moment.

Well, there was a war with Shacklefold, the purple ones, he won, and took some parts of Mongolia that I owned. It is on early 1600.

Ikko Ikki, the religion sect that only use Buddhism (My Japan mix Shinto with Buddhism) rose up and took base in Honganji, turned it into a fortress.

Spain-Japan relations strengthened, but at the same time, the Japanese began to regrets its alliance with the other Asian nations as it rendered them unable to invade other countries (Ryukyu is not worth it, too small).

Major events as of now.