History of Man III (OOC, Always Open)

[Alleniana]

That's nice. Nope.


Weren't you going to do that after you started WWII?

My time is disappearing so fast. I don't know when my next IC post will be. In the meantime, Fantome, Neo, you can do whatever you want with my troops as long as they don't incur many casualties.

Does this mean the much-mentioned war has started, or is going to start soon?

No, it might mean that the war just devolves into a smallish anarchy due to time constraint.

[Caltarania]

They're on the map; lots is colonized, with some independents scattered about

The Problem for me is I describe the Cheyenne Republics location in my APP but the OP accepted but said the land was of so I will wait and see the new updates later today

Yeah...

Your app really confuses me, because I have no idea what the hell you're on about. I don't know what the US states are actually like, so I can't use it as an accurate description for the map :/

[Equalium]

I don't know if your allowed to take any more lands like that during that time.

If you want, we can reserve it as untouchable NPC.

Can you please? That and Vietnam?

[Alleniana]

If you want, we can reserve it as untouchable NPC.

Can you please? That and Vietnam?

Vietnam? WHy VIetnam?

[The Akasha Colony]

Unless anyone would like to contest, after four IC years, I'd like to put in a claim for the Northern Territory, Queensland, New South Wales, and Victoria.

[Alleniana]

Unless anyone would like to contest, after four IC years, I'd like to put in a claim for the Northern Territory, Queensland, New South Wales, and Victoria.

That's a lotta land in a short amount of time... They've owned that land for millenia, and much of that land is either very fertile so probably supporting a big pop, or rather unenviable desert.

[The Akasha Colony]

Unless anyone would like to contest, after four IC years, I'd like to put in a claim for the Northern Territory, Queensland, New South Wales, and Victoria.

That's a lotta land in a short amount of time... They've owned that land for millenia, and much of that land is either very fertile so probably supporting a big pop, or rather unenviable desert.

It wasn't the center of Rawhitiroa's civilization, which was over in Aotearoa. The natives that lived there were not very populous, and Rawhitiroa has only been there for a few centuries at most given the written backstory (which relied on reverse-engineering Japanese technology, putting a range on the dates when it could have taken place).

Four years is a long time for an early-modern war; the US Civil War lasted four years and three weeks, the War of 1812 less than three years, and all of Napoleon's wars lasted under three years, some as short as a single year. Most of the early fighting to take the major coastal settlements was done by sea, as it is more familiar for the Polynesians and faster. In fact, after a year, most of the fighting was marching around the interior pacifying the few remaining inland settlements.

[Alleniana]

That's a lotta land in a short amount of time... They've owned that land for millenia, and much of that land is either very fertile so probably supporting a big pop, or rather unenviable desert.

It wasn't the center of Rawhitiroa's civilization, which was over in Aotearoa. The natives that lived there were not very populous, and Rawhitiroa has only been there for a few centuries at most given the written backstory (which relied on reverse-engineering Japanese technology, putting a range on the dates when it could have taken place).

Four years is a long time for an early-modern war; the US Civil War lasted four years and three weeks, the War of 1812 less than three years, and all of Napoleon's wars lasted under three years, some as short as a single year. Most of the early fighting to take the major coastal settlements was done by sea, as it is more familiar for the Polynesians and faster. In fact, after a year, most of the fighting was marching around the interior pacifying the few remaining inland settlements.

Rawhitiroa reverse engineered Japanese tech from the BC era; catamarans and skiffs and stuff.

Indeed, but none were wars of annexation over such a large area.

[The Akasha Colony]

Rawhitiroa reverse engineered Japanese tech from the BC era; catamarans and skiffs and stuff.

Indeed, but none were wars of annexation over such a large area.

They already should have had catamarans. Polynesian voyaging canoes are double-hulled, although there shouldn't have been any Maori there in the BCE. I assume they're Maori since Rawhitiroa is a Maori word.

In any event the landmass itself is not of particular importance, since on its own, it only affects the time needed to march inland. Attacks on coastal settlements are done mostly in the form of amphibious descents, so travel is by ship, a much faster method.

It's the population that matters, for which there are no real figures since they were never updated after the jump to my knowledge. Population affects resistance, and would affect the size of the armies I sent and such.

I don't really have a problem extending it to six years, but most of the important population I would suspect is on the coast, given Australia's actual distribution and the fact that the Rawhitiroans also had to sail over and settle, leaving mostly aboriginal settlements inland.

[Alleniana]

Rawhitiroa reverse engineered Japanese tech from the BC era; catamarans and skiffs and stuff.

Indeed, but none were wars of annexation over such a large area.

They already should have had catamarans. Polynesian voyaging canoes are double-hulled, although there shouldn't have been any Maori there in the BCE. I assume they're Maori since Rawhitiroa is a Maori word.

In any event the landmass itself is not of particular importance, since on its own, it only affects the time needed to march inland. Attacks on coastal settlements are done mostly in the form of amphibious descents, so travel is by ship, a much faster method.

It's the population that matters, for which there are no real figures since they were never updated after the jump to my knowledge. Population affects resistance, and would affect the size of the armies I sent and such.

I don't really have a problem extending it to six years, but most of the important population I would suspect is on the coast, given Australia's actual distribution and the fact that the Rawhitiroans also had to sail over and settle, leaving mostly aboriginal settlements inland.

No, the thing is that they ARE the aborigines, which would make it so hard. They weren't of Polynesian descent; I think they claimed being of mixed Maori and Japanese descent, which kinda split off from any known cultures, and then used Japanese culture to help found their nation along with other culture.
I'm fine with you having the whole east coast, but having the desert too seems a bit extensive.

[Gold state]

Quirina, I don't control Jerusalem.

[Kratu]

The Problem for me is I describe the Cheyenne Republics location in my APP but the OP accepted but said the land was of so I will wait and see the new updates later today

Yeah...

Your app really confuses me, because I have no idea what the hell you're on about. I don't know what the US states are actually like, so I can't use it as an accurate description for the map :/

Sorry so should I just make a map or something similar to show the land area described in my APP

[The Akasha Colony]

No, the thing is that they ARE the aborigines, which would make it so hard. They weren't of Polynesian descent; I think they claimed being of mixed Maori and Japanese descent, which kinda split off from any known cultures, and then used Japanese culture to help found their nation along with other culture.
I'm fine with you having the whole east coast, but having the desert too seems a bit extensive.

I mean 'Aborigine' in this case to refer to native Australian aborigines, not his Maori-Japanese mix who settled Australia. The Maori themselves are of Polynesian descent, although they didn't arrive in Aotearoa until well into the AD/CE. They're mixed, to be certain, but based on the factbook, there was a distinctly Maori flair to it, perhaps unsurprising since there was already a Japan.

Given that it's a desert, there isn't much to claim. There aren't exactly a lot of people to subjugate. That's why I mentioned the Australian aborigines, who are the people most likely to be living inland, while those who sailed across from New Zealand and settled are more likely to be on the coast.

Given the time period, the actual claims would be much more nebulous in an era before satellite mapping. I chose those territories to represent a rough line from the northern claims on the coast to those on the south, but picked IRL political divisions on the map to make it easier for the mapmaker.

IC, it's perhaps better described as everything east of a line drawn from the mouth of the Victoria River in the north to Portland in the south, but this doesn't conform to any boundaries on the map, which would require it to be redrawn. Everything east of that line is claimed, but as with many nations controlling wide swathes of land, isn't consistently settled outside of the coastal areas, and isn't policed. The claim isn't meant to be entirely an OOC depiction of control, but also an IC warning to other nations that the land is claimed, and that setting foot in it would be considered an invasion.

[The Akasha Colony]

No, the thing is that they ARE the aborigines, which would make it so hard. They weren't of Polynesian descent; I think they claimed being of mixed Maori and Japanese descent, which kinda split off from any known cultures, and then used Japanese culture to help found their nation along with other culture.
I'm fine with you having the whole east coast, but having the desert too seems a bit extensive.

I mean 'Aborigine' in this case to refer to native Australian aborigines, not his Maori-Japanese mix who settled Australia. The Maori themselves are of Polynesian descent, although they didn't arrive in Aotearoa until well into the AD/CE. They're mixed, to be certain, but based on the factbook, there was a distinctly Maori flair to it, perhaps unsurprising since there was already a Japan.

Given that it's a desert, there isn't much to claim. There aren't exactly a lot of people to subjugate. That's why I mentioned the Australian aborigines, who are the people most likely to be living inland, while those who sailed across from New Zealand and settled are more likely to be on the coast.

Given the time period, the actual claims would be much more nebulous in an era before satellite mapping. I chose those territories to represent a rough line from the northern claims on the coast to those on the south, but picked IRL political divisions on the map to make it easier for the mapmaker.

IC, it's perhaps better described as everything east of a line drawn from the mouth of the Victoria River in the north to Portland in the south, but this doesn't conform to any boundaries on the map, which would require it to be redrawn. Everything east of that line is claimed, but as with many nations controlling wide swathes of land, isn't consistently settled outside of the coastal areas, and isn't policed. The claim isn't meant to be entirely an OOC depiction of control, but also an IC warning to other nations that the land is claimed, and that setting foot in it would be considered an invasion.

EDIT: In any event, to help avoid any further issues, does anyone know what Australia's population actually is in this world? Or that of Rawhitiroa as a whole?

[Alleniana]

No, the thing is that they ARE the aborigines, which would make it so hard. They weren't of Polynesian descent; I think they claimed being of mixed Maori and Japanese descent, which kinda split off from any known cultures, and then used Japanese culture to help found their nation along with other culture.
I'm fine with you having the whole east coast, but having the desert too seems a bit extensive.

I mean 'Aborigine' in this case to refer to native Australian aborigines, not his Maori-Japanese mix who settled Australia. The Maori themselves are of Polynesian descent, although they didn't arrive in Aotearoa until well into the AD/CE. They're mixed, to be certain, but based on the factbook, there was a distinctly Maori flair to it, perhaps unsurprising since there was already a Japan.

Given that it's a desert, there isn't much to claim. There aren't exactly a lot of people to subjugate. That's why I mentioned the Australian aborigines, who are the people most likely to be living inland, while those who sailed across from New Zealand and settled are more likely to be on the coast.

Given the time period, the actual claims would be much more nebulous in an era before satellite mapping. I chose those territories to represent a rough line from the northern claims on the coast to those on the south, but picked IRL political divisions on the map to make it easier for the mapmaker.

IC, it's perhaps better described as everything east of a line drawn from the mouth of the Victoria River in the north to Portland in the south, but this doesn't conform to any boundaries on the map, which would require it to be redrawn. Everything east of that line is claimed, but as with many nations controlling wide swathes of land, isn't consistently settled outside of the coastal areas, and isn't policed. The claim isn't meant to be entirely an OOC depiction of control, but also an IC warning to other nations that the land is claimed, and that setting foot in it would be considered an invasion.

That's the thing; since we started well before prehistory, there is no Australian Aborigine population to speak of, at least, not one worth mentioning; somewhat similar to Britain before the Beaker people, for example.

The Rawhitiroan culture is indubitably the native one; the inland ones are likely living a lifestyle somewhat similar to RL Aborigines, and though some pre-settlement people remain, they would be very few. In waging war against them, you would have to fight the kind of war that the British had to fight to take over the Maoris; they are entrenched into their land.

As for the claims, we use Vicky 2 map and there is a very clear line of provinces that determines coast vs desert, so no matter about that.

ANd as for coast control; most of the coast from the Kimberly Range to Cape York is pretty much unsettleable except by people very experienced with the land, in small, specialized housing. You can effectively claim all the coastline you wish for, but OOCly, as a sidenote, most of Queensland's coast will not be as easy to control as even NSW desert, since it's basically rainforest, bush, etc.

As for pop, I assume some millions, most of which would be concentrated in the southeast or New Zealand

Yeah...

Your app really confuses me, because I have no idea what the hell you're on about. I don't know what the US states are actually like, so I can't use it as an accurate description for the map :/

Sorry so should I just make a map or something similar to show the land area described in my APP

Map is good, or something just as detailed

[Horusland]

Yeah...

Your app really confuses me, because I have no idea what the hell you're on about. I don't know what the US states are actually like, so I can't use it as an accurate description for the map :/

Sorry so should I just make a map or something similar to show the land area described in my APP

Not needed. You're accepted. Just be on the lookout for the new map. Once Calt comes, I'll tell him where your lands are.

[The Akasha Colony]

That's the thing; since we started well before prehistory, there is no Australian Aborigine population to speak of, at least, not one worth mentioning; somewhat similar to Britain before the Beaker people, for example.

The Rawhitiroan culture is indubitably the native one; the inland ones are likely living a lifestyle somewhat similar to RL Aborigines, and though some pre-settlement people remain, they would be very few. In waging war against them, you would have to fight the kind of war that the British had to fight to take over the Maoris; they are entrenched into their land.

What war with the Maori? The Maori fought each other in the Musket Wars, but the British didn't fight a war to enforce the Treaty of Waitangi; they hadn't needed to after the Musket Wars and the same diseases that ravaged other native populations took its toll. I've by no means said they're not attached to their land, and I'm not taking it away from them. Generally speaking, however, the colonization of the Pacific was peaceful compared to the Indian Wars in North America, the Sepoy Mutiny, the Zulu Wars, the Boer Wars, and Afghanistan.

As for the claims, we use Vicky 2 map and there is a very clear line of provinces that determines coast vs desert, so no matter about that.

That's not what I mean. I meant there are no borders currently on the map that represent what the actual claim would be, which as in real-life would be based on geographic features. So as a substitute, I chose existing borders. If Calt would like to draw in new borders, I'm fine with that, and I've mentioned what it would look like.

ANd as for coast control; most of the coast from the Kimberly Range to Cape York is pretty much unsettleable except by people very experienced with the land, in small, specialized housing. You can effectively claim all the coastline you wish for, but OOCly, as a sidenote, most of Queensland's coast will not be as easy to control as even NSW desert, since it's basically rainforest, bush, etc.

As for pop, I assume some millions, most of which would be concentrated in the southeast or New Zealand

Which is what I assumed, so this discussion of the size of the desert areas doesn't seem to be all that relevant, given that NZ is already claimed and the concentration of the population means that the rest is from a conquest standpoint rather irrelevant. Empty desert doesn't rebel, and the population isn't large enough to heavily populate very many regions, meaning that some by necessity must remain largely empty. I merely assume this pattern follows IRL patterns for the same reason (geography).

At this point, it seems we've largely agreed that the population would be distributed in the southeast, as it presently is, and that due to the inhospitable terrain, settlements would not be that common elsewhere. I had assumed Rawhitiroa was making at least some kind of push for modernization, which also entails a trend toward urbanization and the further concentration of the population, in this case in coastal cities where the economic opportunities are greater, particularly for a seafaring people. But this cuts both ways, since it also makes it more susceptible to attack.

With the population centers dealt with, the rest would not for the most part be a huge military issue. The remaining communities would be too spread out to effectively field a force capable of fighting a formal army, so it would not be especially difficult to pacify them.

[Horusland]

As for the claims, we use Vicky 2 map and there is a very clear line of provinces that determines coast vs desert, so no matter about that.

That's not what I mean. I meant there are no borders currently on the map that represent what the actual claim would be, which as in real-life would be based on geographic features. So as a substitute, I chose existing borders. If Calt would like to draw in new borders, I'm fine with that, and I've mentioned what it would look like.

Could you explain what this part of the post is about?
Kind of unrelated, but I fixed the borders on my blank map, and plan to merge the border changes with the official map in a few days, when I'll be able to upload it.

[The Akasha Colony]

That's not what I mean. I meant there are no borders currently on the map that represent what the actual claim would be, which as in real-life would be based on geographic features. So as a substitute, I chose existing borders. If Calt would like to draw in new borders, I'm fine with that, and I've mentioned what it would look like.

Could you explain what this part of the post is about?
Kind of unrelated, but I fixed the borders on my blank map, and plan to merge the border changes with the official map in a few days, when I'll be able to upload it.

I mentioned my claims to Australia are the Northern Territories, Queensland, New South Wales, and Victoria. Like most straight-line borders, these are fairly artificial but are a reasonable approximation to what would be a more 'realistic' claim from an IC perspective, which would be something like a line between two fixed geographic points. In this case, the mouth of the Victoria River in the north and Portland in the south.

Thus, rather than that odd part of South Australia that juts into the region, it'd just be a straight diagonal line between the two points. It'd be nebulous of course in practice, since at this time there's no way to clearly and easily delineate the geography on the ground itself, but there shouldn't be any people living in the desert to matter. I had considered going for all of Australia, which was my original plan, but with more people eyeing it up and the already rapid speed of expansion, I decided to halt for the moment for some IC recovery.

[Horusland]

Could you explain what this part of the post is about?
Kind of unrelated, but I fixed the borders on my blank map, and plan to merge the border changes with the official map in a few days, when I'll be able to upload it.

I mentioned my claims to Australia are the Northern Territories, Queensland, New South Wales, and Victoria. Like most straight-line borders, these are fairly artificial but are a reasonable approximation to what would be a more 'realistic' claim from an IC perspective, which would be something like a line between two fixed geographic points. In this case, the mouth of the Victoria River in the north and Portland in the south.

Thus, rather than that odd part of South Australia that juts into the region, it'd just be a straight diagonal line between the two points. It'd be nebulous of course in practice, since at this time there's no way to clearly and easily delineate the geography on the ground itself, but there shouldn't be any people living in the desert to matter. I had considered going for all of Australia, which was my original plan, but with more people eyeing it up and the already rapid speed of expansion, I decided to halt for the moment for some IC recovery.

Mmyeah. Got that.
I'm not against straight borders anymore. We're in 1800, people do that now. It just wasn't normal in the Ancient or Medieval Eras.

[The Akasha Colony]

Mmyeah. Got that.
I'm not against straight borders anymore. We're in 1800, people do that now. It just wasn't normal in the Ancient or Medieval Eras.

It's just that in this instance, I don't have a reason to arbitrarily say this specific section of the desert isn't mine, since the political issues that led to that division IRL don't match the military concerns IC about lengthening the border and all that. But it's close enough for these purposes.

[Bujahla]

Hi guys :3
So since its the holidays like now, I think I wanna join again, but just RP a temporary nation for the time. I dont know, is that okay Horus? Any nation wanna loose a colony? lol

[Horusland]

Hi guys :3
So since its the holidays like now, I think I wanna join again, but just RP a temporary nation for the time. I dont know, is that okay Horus? Any nation wanna loose a colony? lol

Hey, Booyah.
You have no idea how many people are roleplaying in colonial areas. I doubt anyone will want to let anything loose, noting the fact that I made them all let a third of their colonies loose already.

Map: http://i.imgur.com/osePiqh.png
Ask about an area before you start writing an app. The map isn't fully updated yet.

[Altito Asmoro]

Hi guys :3
So since its the holidays like now, I think I wanna join again, but just RP a temporary nation for the time. I dont know, is that okay Horus? Any nation wanna loose a colony? lol

Hey, Booyah.
You have no idea how many people are roleplaying in colonial areas. I doubt anyone will want to let anything loose, noting the fact that I made them all let a third of their colonies loose already.

Map: http://i.imgur.com/osePiqh.png
Ask about an area before you start writing an app. The map isn't fully updated yet.

It is weird, considering I have colonies too, but I am not roleplaying them very much.

[Altito Asmoro]

Who is the blue nation that owns Sulawesi?