History of Man III (OOC, Always Open)

[Aldelxane]

Ok Buj, I've decided that my nation will accept your religion.

[Alleniana]

Ah, yes, indeed


I was going to start a religion too.
Do you just wanna have Crusades all over the east Mediterranean coast? :3 It'll be so fun!

Time to have my version of Judasim compete against your 'pathetic' summerian polytheism

EDIT: Jokes. But yes, we can have crusades in the future. I want this small nation to only be known for it's religion however. I wanna also start a Christianity as well.

I was planning monotheism, actually.

*face palm*

Guys, just gracefully accept my version of Christianity when it comes around pls. That way Europe can be more unified and that we can have not only more issues to RP, but also more coherent and logical spread of religion instead of it being stuck by borders.

And also so I get the "Holy War" casus belli against you guys, and can start wars and annex provinces with only 25% infamy.
*nod*

Well, since we're restarting this, I suppose I'll be China.

I suspect more than one player will app in that region, so be prepared.

If necessary, and if all are fine with it, I can be OP.
there goes another 5 RPs I was gonna start

[Bujahla]

Ok Buj, I've decided that my nation will accept your religion.

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[The JVP]

So for the Restart I'm going to have the Kingdom of Korea. Map here http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e84/S ... ca5387.png It will be Japan And Korea, Back story, A Japanese Princess married a Korean Prince and then the two nations united as the Kingdom of Korea.

[Aldelxane]

So for the Restart I'm going to have the Kingdom of Korea. Map here http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e84/S ... ca5387.png It will be Japan And Korea, Back story, A Japanese Princess married a Korean Prince and then the two nations united as the Kingdom of Korea.

Don't we all have to start out really tiny?

[The JVP]

So for the Restart I'm going to have the Kingdom of Korea. Map here http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e84/S ... ca5387.png It will be Japan And Korea, Back story, A Japanese Princess married a Korean Prince and then the two nations united as the Kingdom of Korea.

Don't we all have to start out really tiny?

Have we set up a start point yet?
Hell At the times you guys are talking about Korea/Japan marriage could have been a thing for years.

[Bujahla]

So for the Restart I'm going to have the Kingdom of Korea. Map here http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e84/S ... ca5387.png It will be Japan And Korea, Back story, A Japanese Princess married a Korean Prince and then the two nations united as the Kingdom of Korea.

Don't we all have to start out really tiny?

Yes we do. We start out as tribes or city-states. What's the point of a RP if you start out with all the claims you want? (I carry this ideology through about RP.)

[Aldelxane]

Don't we all have to start out really tiny?

Have we set up a start point yet?
Hell At the times you guys are talking about Korea/Japan marriage could have been a thing for years.

I think we said 1000 BCE, so that it wouldn't be annoyingly early but people could still build their cultures.

[Alleniana]

Don't we all have to start out really tiny?

Yes we do. We start out as tribes or city-states. What's the point of a RP if you start out with all the claims you want? (I carry this ideology through about RP.)

I think we should all introduce ourselves in our opening posts as a tribe or group of some sort that has established a formal state. So no tribes (unless you're Mongol style horde), but yes to citystates, kingdoms, little despotates and the like. A group that has a conscious self-determination and leadership, I think, is the smallest we should be allowed to play.

Also, I suggest only being allowed to own a couple of provinces at most in the beginning.

Have we set up a start point yet?
Hell At the times you guys are talking about Korea/Japan marriage could have been a thing for years.

I think we said 1000 BCE, so that it wouldn't be annoyingly early but people could still build their cultures.

^
Though admittedly we had the Hittites and Egypt and stuff around this time, starting off with an Assyria-sized empire just ain't fun. Unless the person who does loses it soon.

[Bujahla]

Yes we do. We start out as tribes or city-states. What's the point of a RP if you start out with all the claims you want? (I carry this ideology through about RP.)

I think we should all introduce ourselves in our opening posts as a tribe or group of some sort that has established a formal state. So no tribes (unless you're Mongol style horde), but yes to citystates, kingdoms, little despotates and the like. A group that has a conscious self-determination and leadership, I think, is the smallest we should be allowed to play.

Also, I suggest only being allowed to own a couple of provinces at most in the beginning.

I think we said 1000 BCE, so that it wouldn't be annoyingly early but people could still build their cultures.

^
Though admittedly we had the Hittites and Egypt and stuff around this time, starting off with an Assyria-sized empire just ain't fun. Unless the person who does loses it soon.

Which is a doctrine that's gonna be hard to implement and enforce. The idea that your nation can and will die out and loose.

[Aldelxane]

Yes we do. We start out as tribes or city-states. What's the point of a RP if you start out with all the claims you want? (I carry this ideology through about RP.)

I think we should all introduce ourselves in our opening posts as a tribe or group of some sort that has established a formal state. So no tribes (unless you're Mongol style horde), but yes to citystates, kingdoms, little despotates and the like. A group that has a conscious self-determination and leadership, I think, is the smallest we should be allowed to play.

Also, I suggest only being allowed to own a couple of provinces at most in the beginning.

I think we said 1000 BCE, so that it wouldn't be annoyingly early but people could still build their cultures.

^
Though admittedly we had the Hittites and Egypt and stuff around this time, starting off with an Assyria-sized empire just ain't fun. Unless the person who does loses it soon.

Yeah, I have a map of tentative claims and we are all trimmed down to a size I thought was reasonable for small kingdoms. (about the size of Isreal/Palestine)

[Bujahla]

I think we should all introduce ourselves in our opening posts as a tribe or group of some sort that has established a formal state. So no tribes (unless you're Mongol style horde), but yes to citystates, kingdoms, little despotates and the like. A group that has a conscious self-determination and leadership, I think, is the smallest we should be allowed to play.

Also, I suggest only being allowed to own a couple of provinces at most in the beginning.

^
Though admittedly we had the Hittites and Egypt and stuff around this time, starting off with an Assyria-sized empire just ain't fun. Unless the person who does loses it soon.

Yeah, I have a map of tentative claims and we are all trimmed down to a size I thought was reasonable for small kingdoms. (about the size of Isreal/Palestine)

Ironically, that's all I'm really ever gonna claim for that nation xD

[Alleniana]

I think we should all introduce ourselves in our opening posts as a tribe or group of some sort that has established a formal state. So no tribes (unless you're Mongol style horde), but yes to citystates, kingdoms, little despotates and the like. A group that has a conscious self-determination and leadership, I think, is the smallest we should be allowed to play.

Also, I suggest only being allowed to own a couple of provinces at most in the beginning.

^
Though admittedly we had the Hittites and Egypt and stuff around this time, starting off with an Assyria-sized empire just ain't fun. Unless the person who does loses it soon.

Which is a doctrine that's gonna be hard to implement and enforce. The idea that your nation can and will die out and loose.

We can only try.

[Aldelxane]

I think we should all introduce ourselves in our opening posts as a tribe or group of some sort that has established a formal state. So no tribes (unless you're Mongol style horde), but yes to citystates, kingdoms, little despotates and the like. A group that has a conscious self-determination and leadership, I think, is the smallest we should be allowed to play.

Also, I suggest only being allowed to own a couple of provinces at most in the beginning.

^
Though admittedly we had the Hittites and Egypt and stuff around this time, starting off with an Assyria-sized empire just ain't fun. Unless the person who does loses it soon.

Which is a doctrine that's gonna be hard to implement and enforce. The idea that your nation can and will die out and loose.

I think maybe a little less extreme and easier to follow would be your empire will eventually fall. (You'd be reduced to your homeland), and people can occupy your homeland. (culture is hard to kill)

[The JVP]

I think since we are putting a lot to vote, that we should also but the start to a vote... To be fair and all that.
OR better yet, we should let those that lost in the vote for the restart, pick the restart time. Again also very fair.

[Bujahla]

Which is a doctrine that's gonna be hard to implement and enforce. The idea that your nation can and will die out and loose.

I think maybe a little less extreme and easier to follow would be your empire will eventually fall. (You'd be reduced to your homeland), and people can occupy your homeland. (culture is hard to kill)

That's essentially what i meant with more words.

[Alleniana]

Which is a doctrine that's gonna be hard to implement and enforce. The idea that your nation can and will die out and loose.

I think maybe a little less extreme and easier to follow would be your empire will eventually fall. (You'd be reduced to your homeland), and people can occupy your homeland. (culture is hard to kill)

Even then, culture dies. Look at a culture map of more volatile regions, such as the Balkans, even but century ago. Vastly different. There's problems, and the only thing that can stop them is people not bein so goddarned competitive.

[Aldelxane]

I think maybe a little less extreme and easier to follow would be your empire will eventually fall. (You'd be reduced to your homeland), and people can occupy your homeland. (culture is hard to kill)

That's essentially what i meant with more words.

True, but you wouldn't die out and lose. You would still control your citizens and wait until he time is ripe for rebellion. (Just wait till your occupier weakens and have a resistance movement ready.) You can lose, but you won't die out permanently.

[Alleniana]

That's essentially what i meant with more words.

True, but you wouldn't die out and lose. You would still control your citizens and wait until he time is ripe for rebellion. (Just wait till your occupier weakens and have a resistance movement ready.) You can lose, but you won't die out permanently.

That's not what happened IRL though. The Celts were wiped out of all Gaul, the Samnites disappeared from history, even the Slavic homeland moved several times. Today, Catalonia is still Spanish, Scotland is still UK, etc. It won't be that simple, unfortunately. :/

[Aldelxane]

True, but you wouldn't die out and lose. You would still control your citizens and wait until he time is ripe for rebellion. (Just wait till your occupier weakens and have a resistance movement ready.) You can lose, but you won't die out permanently.

That's not what happened IRL though. The Celts were wiped out of all Gaul, the Samnites disappeared from history, even the Slavic homeland moved several times. Today, Catalonia is still Spanish, Scotland is still UK, etc. It won't be that simple, unfortunately. :/

Maybe something like a 200+ year occupation=choose another nation?

[Alleniana]

That's not what happened IRL though. The Celts were wiped out of all Gaul, the Samnites disappeared from history, even the Slavic homeland moved several times. Today, Catalonia is still Spanish, Scotland is still UK, etc. It won't be that simple, unfortunately. :/

Maybe something like a 200+ year occupation=choose another nation?

Like I said, I'd prefer case-by-case. Like in the case of, for example, Bulgaria, their culture is no less distinct than it was after nearly a millennium of occupation, and then you look at the Gutes, who disappeared after a few dozen years.

[Aldelxane]

Maybe something like a 200+ year occupation=choose another nation?

Like I said, I'd prefer case-by-case. Like in the case of, for example, Bulgaria, their culture is no less distinct than it was after nearly a millennium of occupation, and then you look at the Gutes, who disappeared after a few dozen years.

But how would we decide which cultures are strong enough to weather occupation?

[Alleniana]

Like I said, I'd prefer case-by-case. Like in the case of, for example, Bulgaria, their culture is no less distinct than it was after nearly a millennium of occupation, and then you look at the Gutes, who disappeared after a few dozen years.

But how would we decide which cultures are strong enough to weather occupation?

case-by-case basis; population, history, culture's values in themselves, geography, occupier's stratagem, surrounding cultures, etc.

[Galnius]

TG me the new thread when it's up. I'm reserving Egypt.

[Alleniana]

TG me the new thread when it's up. I'm reserving Egypt.

Dayum.

I will have some hilarious wars.