Outworld(OOC/Closed)

[Harkback Union]

Hmmm, and building a farm takes just one year?

Yes, and the only reason why it takes more to build the Hydro Factory is because of it needs to wire the factory to the colony or base.

Well, its just 2500 meters of wire. They should be able to lay down at least one meter per minute... The former's crew will only have to work 5 hours / day and they will still be done in less than 10 days...

[Ralnis]

I did not actually specify the bonus system so I really don't know, I guess in order to level the playing field, I will allow the bonus system( I did not go into effect cause I have been working for a living) so here is how it goes.

Everyone gets a few set bonuses to their factions which goes like this;

1 Free Network Node
1 Free veteran unit(this can be a scout rover or a flamethrower unit if tech is acquired)
25% mining bonus( for resources and whatnot )
Faster building
and I will make more, I am sorry for confusing everyone.

We should go with the SMAC bonuses, where bonuses are balanced against failings. For instance, I currently have -2 Probe, which means enemy probe actions against me cost only half of what they should.

I see, work with the ideology, I don't know what will be my bonuses and failings will be as my Gunsmiths are a Theocratic Military Junta.

[Harkback Union]

PoliMap:
http://i.imgur.com/x2CMvjX.png

If you want your colors changed or your colony moved, Tell me now or stay silent forever after...
I'll add the names of the colonies in the next version...

[Ralnis]

Yes, and the only reason why it takes more to build the Hydro Factory is because of it needs to wire the factory to the colony or base.

Well, its just 2500 meters of wire. They should be able to lay down at least one meter per minute... The former's crew will only have to work 5 hours / day and they will still be done in less than 10 days...

I know, but I am just pointing out that it will be flexible as it proportional to the distance of location of the Plant to the colony/base it is connected to. It will still take a year to finish however.

[Harkback Union]

Well, its just 2500 meters of wire. They should be able to lay down at least one meter per minute... The former's crew will only have to work 5 hours / day and they will still be done in less than 10 days...

I know, but I am just pointing out that it will be flexible as it proportional to the distance of location of the Plant to the colony/base it is connected to. It will still take a year to finish however.

Do you mean it still takes a year to finish just the Wiring or both the Wiring and the Hydro plant?

[Ralnis]

I know, but I am just pointing out that it will be flexible as it proportional to the distance of location of the Plant to the colony/base it is connected to. It will still take a year to finish however.

Do you mean it still takes a year to finish just the Wiring or both the Wiring and the Hydro plant?

Depends on the distance, but since you are close, it take a year for both to be done.

[Harkback Union]

Do you mean it still takes a year to finish just the Wiring or both the Wiring and the Hydro plant?

Depends on the distance, but since you are close, it take a year for both to be done.

Phew... That saves me from having to rewrite my post... It's not finished yet by the way. The Dr Ford part is missing...

[G-Tech Corporation]

We should go with the SMAC bonuses, where bonuses are balanced against failings. For instance, I currently have -2 Probe, which means enemy probe actions against me cost only half of what they should.

I see, work with the ideology, I don't know what will be my bonuses and failings will be as my Gunsmiths are a Theocratic Military Junta.

Well, considering you're combining the Spartans and the Believers...

+2 Support: 5 units free per base
+1 Probe: Probe success increased
-2 Research: -20% to Science production
-1 Planet: Viewing Planet as promised land
from the Believers

+2 Morale: new units start as Veterans
+1 Police: Extra Drone suppressed for every two garrisoned units
Free Prototyping
-1 Industry: +10% cost of unit and building construction
from the Spartans

Sons of the Stars

Bases
Spire of Man [0,0] Pop Max 9 Energy Minerals Food
5 4 9 17
Current Food Growth in
0 1
Building Unit: Former Cost A Cost Done
Current 0 7 4.9 0.544444444
Building Building: Hydropower Plant Cost A Cost Done
Current 0 15 10.5 1.166666667
In Base Scout: 100% Regular Scout 100% Green
Base Facilities Network Node: +50% Research Small Housing Complex: +3 PopMax
Research Percentage Research Energy
150 6
Civil Percentage Civil Energy
0 0


Researching: New Social Norms Cost Done
Current 10 15 0.833333333

Buildings Available to Build
Small Housing Complex[ no tech, must be built inside colony, increases living space of population]
Colony Close-mining operations[ no tech, must be built inside colony, will be accessible next year, a lower scale Mine]
Inward Colony Ship Expansion[ No tech, must be built inside colony, inward scale housing operations that are inside the colony ship, does the same as the Small Housing Complex]
Hydropower Plant [No Tech, +3 Energy, must have River nearby, 15 Minerals]
Recycling Tanks [Get rid of radiation and pollution near base, 10 Minerals]



Techs Still to Research
Advance Radioactive Recycling Works 4 Science Unlocks Recycling Tanks
Combat Vehicle Theories 8 Science ??

Units Available to Build
Scouts [Guns, No Tech]: 5
Flamethrower Troopers [Flamers, Weapons Tech]: 10
Scout Rovers [Guns, Mobility2, Movement Tech]: 10
Formers [Forming, Ecology Tech]: 7
Colony Pod [Colony Pod, No Tech]: 15

Terraforming Options
Farm[ Ecology Tech, must have Former to build]
Mine[ Ecology Tech, must have Former to build, 1 turn to build]

Techs Possessed
Outworld Ecology: Unlocks Formers and Terraforming
Adaptive Vehicle Structuring: Unlocks Rover Body
Alternztive Gas Propulsion Weaponry: Unlocks Flamer Weaponry

[Harkback Union]

I see, work with the ideology, I don't know what will be my bonuses and failings will be as my Gunsmiths are a Theocratic Military Junta.

Well, considering you're combining the Spartans and the Believers...

+2 Support: 5 units free per base
+1 Probe: Probe success increased
-2 Research: -20% to Science production
-1 Planet: Viewing Planet as promised land
from the Believers

+2 Morale: new units start as Veterans
+1 Police: Extra Drone suppressed for every two garrisoned units
Free Prototyping
-1 Industry: +10% cost of unit and building construction
from the Spartans

Sons of the Stars

Bases
Spire of Man [0,0] Pop Max 9 Energy Minerals Food
5 4 9 17
Current Food Growth in
0 1
Building Unit: Former Cost A Cost Done
Current 0 7 4.9 0.544444444
Building Building: Hydropower Plant Cost A Cost Done
Current 0 15 10.5 1.166666667
In Base Scout: 100% Regular Scout 100% Green
Base Facilities Network Node: +50% Research Small Housing Complex: +3 PopMax
Research Percentage Research Energy
150 6
Civil Percentage Civil Energy
0 0


Researching: New Social Norms Cost Done
Current 10 15 0.833333333

Buildings Available to Build
Small Housing Complex[ no tech, must be built inside colony, increases living space of population]
Colony Close-mining operations[ no tech, must be built inside colony, will be accessible next year, a lower scale Mine]
Inward Colony Ship Expansion[ No tech, must be built inside colony, inward scale housing operations that are inside the colony ship, does the same as the Small Housing Complex]
Hydropower Plant [No Tech, +3 Energy, must have River nearby, 15 Minerals]
Recycling Tanks [Get rid of radiation and pollution near base, 10 Minerals]



Techs Still to Research
Advance Radioactive Recycling Works 4 Science Unlocks Recycling Tanks
Combat Vehicle Theories 8 Science ??

Units Available to Build
Scouts [Guns, No Tech]: 5
Flamethrower Troopers [Flamers, Weapons Tech]: 10
Scout Rovers [Guns, Mobility2, Movement Tech]: 10
Formers [Forming, Ecology Tech]: 7
Colony Pod [Colony Pod, No Tech]: 15

Terraforming Options
Farm[ Ecology Tech, must have Former to build]
Mine[ Ecology Tech, must have Former to build, 1 turn to build]

Techs Possessed
Outworld Ecology: Unlocks Formers and Terraforming
Adaptive Vehicle Structuring: Unlocks Rover Body
Alternztive Gas Propulsion Weaponry: Unlocks Flamer Weaponry

Use -------4-------Research-------93%------... or .......5..... or ________342_____
In the tables or else it won't show properly.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Well, considering you're combining the Spartans and the Believers...

+2 Support: 5 units free per base
+1 Probe: Probe success increased
-2 Research: -20% to Science production
-1 Planet: Viewing Planet as promised land
from the Believers

+2 Morale: new units start as Veterans
+1 Police: Extra Drone suppressed for every two garrisoned units
Free Prototyping
-1 Industry: +10% cost of unit and building construction
from the Spartans

Sons of the Stars

Bases
Spire of Man [0,0] Pop Max 9 Energy Minerals Food
5 4 9 17
Current Food Growth in
0 1
Building Unit: Former Cost A Cost Done
Current 0 7 4.9 0.544444444
Building Building: Hydropower Plant Cost A Cost Done
Current 0 15 10.5 1.166666667
In Base Scout: 100% Regular Scout 100% Green
Base Facilities Network Node: +50% Research Small Housing Complex: +3 PopMax
Research Percentage Research Energy
150 6
Civil Percentage Civil Energy
0 0


Researching: New Social Norms Cost Done
Current 10 15 0.833333333

Buildings Available to Build
Small Housing Complex[ no tech, must be built inside colony, increases living space of population]
Colony Close-mining operations[ no tech, must be built inside colony, will be accessible next year, a lower scale Mine]
Inward Colony Ship Expansion[ No tech, must be built inside colony, inward scale housing operations that are inside the colony ship, does the same as the Small Housing Complex]
Hydropower Plant [No Tech, +3 Energy, must have River nearby, 15 Minerals]
Recycling Tanks [Get rid of radiation and pollution near base, 10 Minerals]



Techs Still to Research
Advance Radioactive Recycling Works 4 Science Unlocks Recycling Tanks
Combat Vehicle Theories 8 Science ??

Units Available to Build
Scouts [Guns, No Tech]: 5
Flamethrower Troopers [Flamers, Weapons Tech]: 10
Scout Rovers [Guns, Mobility2, Movement Tech]: 10
Formers [Forming, Ecology Tech]: 7
Colony Pod [Colony Pod, No Tech]: 15

Terraforming Options
Farm[ Ecology Tech, must have Former to build]
Mine[ Ecology Tech, must have Former to build, 1 turn to build]

Techs Possessed
Outworld Ecology: Unlocks Formers and Terraforming
Adaptive Vehicle Structuring: Unlocks Rover Body
Alternative Gas Propulsion Weaponry: Unlocks Flamer Weaponry

Use -------4-------Research-------93%------... or .......5..... or ________342_____
In the tables or else it won't show properly.

Or, alternatively, just line up words without numbers to the numbers in the sequence below them. It's fairly simple.

[Harkback Union]

Use -------4-------Research-------93%------... or .......5..... or ________342_____
In the tables or else it won't show properly.

Or, alternatively, just line up words without numbers to the numbers in the sequence below them. It's fairly simple.

Yeah... That could work too...
If its possible to get a free building, I think I would go for a Zodiac Bio lab, which improves happiness and morale instead of the +1 Lifecycle...

[Kershya]

PoliMap:
http://i.imgur.com/x2CMvjX.png

If you want your colors changed or your colony moved, Tell me now or stay silent forever after...
I'll add the names of the colonies in the next version...

Looks good, the only thing that bugs me is that Sanctuary is one square to the left from where you place it, by the tip of the bay.

[Harkback Union]

PoliMap:
http://i.imgur.com/x2CMvjX.png

If you want your colors changed or your colony moved, Tell me now or stay silent forever after...
I'll add the names of the colonies in the next version...

Looks good, the only thing that bugs me is that Sanctuary is one square to the left from where you place it, by the tip of the bay.

Fixed. Also, what year is it now? Year 4 or 5?

[Ralnis]

Ok so by going for my ideology my bonuses will go

+2 Support: 5 units free per base
+1 Probe: Probe success increased
-2 Research: -20% to Science production
-1 Planet: Viewing Planet as promised land
from the Believers

+2 Morale: new units start as Veterans
+1 Police: Extra Drone suppressed for every two garrisoned units
Free Prototyping
-1 Industry: +10% cost of unit and building construction
from the Spartans

and if I just change it up the wording to what the Gunsmiths would say it would go:

+2 Support: The call of the Gun heeds to all ears that listens
+1 Probe: Even the inner shadows will bow to the might of the slug
- 2 Research: Heresy and Heretics are always around us
- 1 Planet: This Planet shall bow to the might and glory of the Gun

+ 2 Morale: Unity through ballistics, for this we do what we must to Smith
+ 1 Police: The Non-righteous will be silence in order for the Sect to move forward.
- 1 Industry:The Gun demands only the finest weapons

anyone have any critiques or advice with what I just put?

[Ralnis]

Looks good, the only thing that bugs me is that Sanctuary is one square to the left from where you place it, by the tip of the bay.

Fixed. Also, what year is it now? Year 4 or 5?

Year 4.

[G-Tech Corporation]

As for the -1 Industry, Ralnis, I'd say: "The Gun demands only the finest weapons."

[Ralnis]

As for the -1 Industry, Ralnis, I'd say: "The Gun demands only the finest weapons."

Perfect!

[G-Tech Corporation]

As for the -1 Industry, Ralnis, I'd say: "The Gun demands only the finest weapons."

Perfect!

Any concerns with the info in my spoiler? I want to iron out any discrepancies between my mechanics and your vision as quickly as possible, so we don't get desynched. Sorry about the hard to read format, Excel doesn't play nice with NS.

[Ralnis]

Perfect!

Any concerns with the info in my spoiler? I want to iron out any discrepancies between my mechanics and your vision as quickly as possible, so we don't get desynched. Sorry about the hard to read format, Excel doesn't play nice with NS.

Yeah, Recycling and Hydro Plants have not been researched by the Sons as I can recall( as Recycling Centers are only exclusive by Neo Sanctum because they are the only ones to have research it) and Hydro Plants have yet to be introduced( they will next year) but all is fine so far( just so much math calculations, it hurts!)

[Kershya]

Ok so by going for my ideology my bonuses will go

+2 Support: 5 units free per base
+1 Probe: Probe success increased
-2 Research: -20% to Science production
-1 Planet: Viewing Planet as promised land
from the Believers

+2 Morale: new units start as Veterans
+1 Police: Extra Drone suppressed for every two garrisoned units
Free Prototyping
-1 Industry: +10% cost of unit and building construction
from the Spartans

and if I just change it up the wording to what the Gunsmiths would say it would go:

+2 Support: The call of the Gun heeds to all ears that listens
+1 Probe: Even the inner shadows will bow to the might of the slug
- 2 Research: Heresy and Heretics are always around us
- 1 Planet: This Planet shall bow to the might and glory of the Gun

+ 2 Morale: Unity through ballistics, for this we do what we must to Smith
+ 1 Police: The Non-righteous will be silence in order for the Sect to move forward.
- 1 Industry:The Gun demands only the finest weapons

anyone have any critiques or advice with what I just put?

Can I have some help in mine? Neo Sanctum's basically U.N. Peacekeepers with some Gaians and University added to the mix.

- 2 Probe: Freedom of speech and an open interconnected society
+ 2 Research: Education is a right, not a privilege
+ 2 Planet: The safety of the environment is one of the major regulations
- 1 Industry: Environmentalist policies slows down industry
- 1 Efficiency: A rather expansive and complicated bureaucracy
- 1 Police: It is the people's right to protest against corruption
Extra Talent in every base (Maybe?)

[Ralnis]

Ok so by going for my ideology my bonuses will go

+2 Support: 5 units free per base
+1 Probe: Probe success increased
-2 Research: -20% to Science production
-1 Planet: Viewing Planet as promised land
from the Believers

+2 Morale: new units start as Veterans
+1 Police: Extra Drone suppressed for every two garrisoned units
Free Prototyping
-1 Industry: +10% cost of unit and building construction
from the Spartans

and if I just change it up the wording to what the Gunsmiths would say it would go:

+2 Support: The call of the Gun heeds to all ears that listens
+1 Probe: Even the inner shadows will bow to the might of the slug
- 2 Research: Heresy and Heretics are always around us
- 1 Planet: This Planet shall bow to the might and glory of the Gun

+ 2 Morale: Unity through ballistics, for this we do what we must to Smith
+ 1 Police: The Non-righteous will be silence in order for the Sect to move forward.
- 1 Industry:The Gun demands only the finest weapons

anyone have any critiques or advice with what I just put?

Can I have some help in mine? Neo Sanctum's basically U.N. Peacekeepers with some Gaians and University added to the mix.

- 1 Probe: Freedom of speech and an open interconnected society
+ 2 Research: Education is a right, not a privilege
+ 2 Planet: The safety of the environment is one of the major regulations
- 1 Efficiency: A rather expansive and complicated bureaucracy
- 1 Police: It is the people's right to protest against corruption
Extra Talent in every base (Maybe?)

This looks good, basically you are the democratic type of faction then.

[Kershya]

Can I have some help in mine? Neo Sanctum's basically U.N. Peacekeepers with some Gaians and University added to the mix.

- 1 Probe: Freedom of speech and an open interconnected society
+ 2 Research: Education is a right, not a privilege
+ 2 Planet: The safety of the environment is one of the major regulations
- 1 Efficiency: A rather expansive and complicated bureaucracy
- 1 Police: It is the people's right to protest against corruption
Extra Talent in every base (Maybe?)

This looks good, basically you are the democratic type of faction then.

Democratic, humanitarian, with a big government welfare state for flavor.

[Lunas Legion]

Fortress A-01 is most like a combination of the Free Drones and Human Hive (I think) so...

+3 Industry (If you work hard for the Common Good, the Common Good shall give back in greater measure)
-1 Drones in all bases (The Common Good keeps the people satisfied)


-2 Economy (the Common Good demands little political freedom)
-2 Research (the Common Good doesn't encourage the discovery of new ideas)
May not use Democratic Government or Green Economics.

[G-Tech Corporation]

This looks good, basically you are the democratic type of faction then.

Democratic, humanitarian, with a big government welfare state for flavor.

Hmm, it seems to me like +2 Research and +2 Planet would need to be balanced against more; currently you're at +1, and your pluses are quite big compared to you negatives. SMAC balances +1 Planet against -1 Support, for instance.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Fortress A-01 is most like a combination of the Free Drones and Human Hive (I think) so...

+3 Industry (If you work hard for the Common Good, the Common Good shall give back in greater measure)
-1 Drones in all bases (The Common Good keeps the people satisfied)
+1 Growth (The Common Good demands workers reproduce)

-2 Economy (the Common Good demands little political freedom)
-2 Research (the Common Good doesn't encourage the discovery of new ideas)
May not use Democratic Government or Green Economics.

Hmm, I'd knock off the Growth bonus. The additional +1 Industry is already well balanced against Economy, since Research and Industry/Economy are probably the most powerful bonuses.