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[Imperium Nova]

I will reply to it, but first I still need to read a bit the RP to properly know what's going on. If you could tell me the page of your message that'd be great, writing a response would also make it easier for me to beginn...

It's the latest page.

Do we have anyone to play the Ottomans?

None so far, though they won't be in the spotlight yet.

Umh... Sure. Just no more rising past Sudan, ok?

Uh... you mean the Sudan region, right...?

Is that a real ancient Egyptian artwork or a modern artist? Nonetheless, I like the idea

IIRC it was a water painting for an assignment. But it has awakened a desire to establish a Greater Mashriq Co-Prosperity Sphere...

Umh, how about this instead. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/Sudan_on_the_globe_%28de-facto_%2B_claimed_hatched%29_%28North_Africa_centered%29.svg

[Seljuq Kyiv]

In that case I'll pass, as I can't possibly conform to that rule. I have many territories stretching beyond Sudan, such as Punt, Senegal, and Guangzhou Bay.

[Of the Quendi]

Uh... What's that word other than 'allow' that shows approval while not being of an authority to formalise it, etc.? A sort of 'being happy' with something, I suppose.

As a player, I'd say Samsun - Sivas at most.

And Russia gets a demilitarised Marmara. Fair?

I have no ambitions about heading particularly far into Anatolia. Once I have a Wilsonianesque Armenia Turkey can have the rest of central Anatolia to itself. My destination is the south. The Mediterranean and ideally also the Persian Gulf is what I aim for. If not under direct Russian control all the way then at least through the Romania's and Serbia's of the Middle East.

This, which I found scrolling through DA for Egypt-related art, got me thinking on the possibility of a Rising Sun-esque flag.

Thoughts?

Egypt at this time does hardly identify to any great degree with a distant Pharaonic past over their Islamic Arabic present. Though I have personally always found the Arab flags rather dull I don't think it would be particularly plausible for the Sultanate of Egypt to start looking back to the Pharaonic roots.

[Imperium Nova]

In that case I'll pass, as I can't possibly conform to that rule. I have many territories stretching beyond Sudan, such as Punt, Senegal, and Guangzhou Bay.

Hmm, you do... Perhaps I should have taken the job as the Governor of Gambia, and drive away the islamists.

[Dangelia]

Uh... What's that word other than 'allow' that shows approval while not being of an authority to formalise it, etc.? A sort of 'being happy' with something, I suppose.

As a player, I'd say Samsun - Sivas at most.

And Russia gets a demilitarised Marmara. Fair?

I have no ambitions about heading particularly far into Anatolia. Once I have a Wilsonianesque Armenia Turkey can have the rest of central Anatolia to itself. My destination is the south. The Mediterranean and ideally also the Persian Gulf is what I aim for. If not under direct Russian control all the way then at least through the Romania's and Serbia's of the Middle East.

This, which I found scrolling through DA for Egypt-related art, got me thinking on the possibility of a Rising Sun-esque flag.

Thoughts?

Egypt at this time does hardly identify to any great degree with a distant Pharaonic past over their Islamic Arabic present. Though I have personally always found the Arab flags rather dull I don't think it would be particularly plausible for the Sultanate of Egypt to start looking back to the Pharaonic roots.

I was thinking of this. Your border's will remain the same, but you will have Serbia, Romania, and Armenia as puppet states.

[Seljuq Kyiv]

In that case I'll pass, as I can't possibly conform to that rule. I have many territories stretching beyond Sudan, such as Punt, Senegal, and Guangzhou Bay.

Hmm, you do... Perhaps I should have taken the job as the Governor of Gambia, and drive away the islamists.

Or Ghana and conquer Sokoto.

[Imperium Nova]

Hmm, you do... Perhaps I should have taken the job as the Governor of Gambia, and drive away the islamists.

Or Ghana and conquer Sokoto.

Perhaps I could convince the Queen to offer me the entirety of Africa, so I could properly control the Scramble for Africa.

[Glasgia]

WHY ARE THERE NO MODERATE FRENCH SOCIALISTS!?!?! WHY!?!

Seriously. I'm aching to find a real life French Socialist in the 1870s he's not too firebrand to talk to the Prussians. A German one would work too. It seems we only remember the radical ones, when there obviously appeared to be a more moderate movement within the "Radicals" of the French legislature.

[Seljuq Kyiv]

Egypt at this time does hardly identify to any great degree with a distant Pharaonic past over their Islamic Arabic present. Though I have personally always found the Arab flags rather dull I don't think it would be particularly plausible for the Sultanate of Egypt to start looking back to the Pharaonic roots.

Egyptian nationalism first manifested itself in Pharaonism beginning in the 19th century that identified Egypt as being a unique and independent political unit in the world since the era of the Pharaohs in ancient Egypt.[1]

Of course, an Arab nationalist route might be most prudent. But the symbolism (denouncing the Turkish moon for the Sun; a new dawn for Egypt, alternatively the sunset of Turkey; Ra rising from the Nile; the claim to the inheritance of a continual reign (or reich) stretching from thousands of years ago; the light of enlightenment to its mashriq brothers and neighbours; etc.) is rife with possibility.


gud night alles. may brissia walk among us again.

[Glasgia]

I think I've found a young Social Liberal who'd fit the part. He could've been caught up in the revolution and slightly radicalised by the revolutionary rhetoric against Capitalism. Yeah, he'll do. Might have to change his name though. Not sure "Leon Bourgeois" would go down too well with the other Socialists.

[Seljuq Kyiv]

I think I've found a young Social Liberal who'd fit the part. He could've been caught up in the revolution and slightly radicalised by the revolutionary rhetoric against Capitalism. Yeah, he'll do. Might have to change his name though. Not sure "Leon Bourgeois" would go down too well with the other Socialists.

is kapitalizt pigdog spy! report to politburo!

glory to arstotzka!

[Imperium Nova]

I think I've found a young Social Liberal who'd fit the part. He could've been caught up in the revolution and slightly radicalised by the revolutionary rhetoric against Capitalism. Yeah, he'll do. Might have to change his name though. Not sure "Leon Bourgeois" would go down too well with the other Socialists.

is kapitalizt pigdog spy! report to politburo!

glory to arstotzka!

Detain all Kolechians

[Glasgia]

I think I've found a young Social Liberal who'd fit the part. He could've been caught up in the revolution and slightly radicalised by the revolutionary rhetoric against Capitalism. Yeah, he'll do. Might have to change his name though. Not sure "Leon Bourgeois" would go down too well with the other Socialists.

is kapitalizt pigdog spy! report to politburo!

glory to arstotzka!

we fite for worker! worker be fite for in best korea! we aid worker by starve worker!

glory to kimmy!

[Of the Quendi]

I was thinking of this. Your border's will remain the same, but you will have Serbia, Romania, and Armenia as puppet states.

My borders most certainly won't remain the same and Armenia will not become independent anytime soon. In the Balkans the establishment of strong Orthodox/Slavophilic and pro-Russian states in Romania, Serbia and Bulgaria (and Greece?) will suffice (I haven't quite decided what shall happen in Montenegro yet, seeing how small it is I was thinking of outright making it a Russian oblast giving me access to the Mediterranean through Montenegro if the Cilician plan fails) but in Asia the Bear will squeeze the life out of the Sick Man and quench his thirsts on the banks of the Euphrates and the Tigris. And then there it has a cat to sit on.

Of course, an Arab nationalist route might be most prudent. But the symbolism (denouncing the Turkish moon for the Sun; a new dawn for Egypt, alternatively the sunset of Turkey; Ra rising from the Nile; the claim to the inheritance of a continual reign (or reich) stretching from thousands of years ago; the light of enlightenment to its mashriq brothers and neighbours; etc.) is rife with possibility.


gud night alles. may brissia walk among us again.

Where is that quote from? According to Wikipedia Pharaonism didn't rise till the 1920s and then it was a response to the British colonization.

[Imperium Nova]

I was thinking of this. Your border's will remain the same, but you will have Serbia, Romania, and Armenia as puppet states.

My borders most certainly won't remain the same and Armenia will not become independent anytime soon. In the Balkans the establishment of strong Orthodox/Slavophilic and pro-Russian states in Romania, Serbia and Bulgaria (and Greece?) will suffice (I haven't quite decided what shall happen in Montenegro yet, seeing how small it is I was thinking of outright making it a Russian oblast giving me access to the Mediterranean through Montenegro if the Cilician plan fails) but in Asia the Bear will squeeze the life out of the Sick Man and quench his thirsts on the banks of the Euphrates and the Tigris. And then there it has a cat to sit on.

Of course, an Arab nationalist route might be most prudent. But the symbolism (denouncing the Turkish moon for the Sun; a new dawn for Egypt, alternatively the sunset of Turkey; Ra rising from the Nile; the claim to the inheritance of a continual reign (or reich) stretching from thousands of years ago; the light of enlightenment to its mashriq brothers and neighbours; etc.) is rife with possibility.


gud night alles. may brissia walk among us again.

Where is that quote from? According to Wikipedia Pharaonism didn't rise till the 1920s and then it was a response to the British colonization.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_nationalism

This says it is early 19th century. Could have been someone who meant 1900 though.

[The Time Alliance]

I will be returning as a Patagonian Tribe with the Argentinean Players help.
App up soon.

[Of the Quendi]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_nationalism

This says it is early 19th century. Could have been someone who meant 1900 though.

Well the page for Pharaonism is fairly clear in describing Pharaonism as a early 20th century occurrence.

I will be returning as a Patagonian Tribe with the Argentinean Players help.
App up soon.

Why would a Patagonian tribe be aligned with the Argentine government attempting to subjugate them?

[Halleon]

My plans are for Greece to remain independent and keep outside foreign influence to a minimal if possible but if a outside power wants a military alliance or some form of agreement then that is possible. Not sure if Greece is gonna suddenly become Pro Russia or Pro anything unless a lot of convincing is gonna happen in the form of money and other benefits.

Edit: Don't forgot if they make any treaties favorable towards Greece then that will help them gain the favor of the Greeks.

[The Time Alliance]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_nationalism

This says it is early 19th century. Could have been someone who meant 1900 though.

Well the page for Pharaonism is fairly clear in describing Pharaonism as a early 20th century occurrence.

I will be returning as a Patagonian Tribe with the Argentinean Players help.
App up soon.

Why would a Patagonian tribe be aligned with the Argentine government attempting to subjugate them?

No. The Argentinean Player is Chilean. He is going to help me with historical stuff of the tribe.

[Of the Quendi]

My plans are for Greece to remain independent and keep outside foreign influence to a minimal if possible but if a outside power wants a military alliance or some form of agreement then that is possible. Not sure if Greece is gonna suddenly become Pro Russia or Pro anything unless a lot of convincing is gonna happen in the form of money and other benefits.

Edit: Don't forgot if they make any treaties favorable towards Greece then that will help them gain the favor of the Greeks.

No money, no convincing, no benefits.

But a doubling of the Greek territory (provided that Greece partakes in the war) and expansion right to the door of Constantinople, and into Anatolia.

No. The Argentinean Player is Chilean. He is going to help me with historical stuff of the tribe.

Oh right.

Well I am contemplating reestablishing the Kingdom of Araucanía and Patagonia (only this time without Araucanía) as a Mapuche kingdom under Orélie-Antoine de Tounens to have an indebted friend in Latin America (and because I think the story is hilarious) so the fate of Patagonia may very well take a sharp turn from RL after the Rio conference.

[Halleon]

My plans are for Greece to remain independent and keep outside foreign influence to a minimal if possible but if a outside power wants a military alliance or some form of agreement then that is possible. Not sure if Greece is gonna suddenly become Pro Russia or Pro anything unless a lot of convincing is gonna happen in the form of money and other benefits.

Edit: Don't forgot if they make any treaties favorable towards Greece then that will help them gain the favor of the Greeks.

No money, no convincing, no benefits.

But a doubling of the Greek territory (provided that Greece partakes in the war) and expansion right to the door of Constantinople, and into Anatolia.

That isn't gonna turn Greece into a Pro Russian State though since both Albania and Egypt is offering the same thing. Plus Egypt is already offering money to help with bringing the Greek Economy up with factories and Albania I'm sure will be open to a Trade Agreement or something beneficial for both of us.

If Greece got involved in the war then it should already be getting the doubling of territory and getting right to the door of Constantinople that is if we win the war. Would be disappointing to fight a war only to gain nothing from it besides a waste of manpower and wealth.

[Dangelia]

I was thinking of this. Your border's will remain the same, but you will have Serbia, Romania, and Armenia as puppet states.

My borders most certainly won't remain the same and Armenia will not become independent anytime soon. In the Balkans the establishment of strong Orthodox/Slavophilic and pro-Russian states in Romania, Serbia and Bulgaria (and Greece?) will suffice (I haven't quite decided what shall happen in Montenegro yet, seeing how small it is I was thinking of outright making it a Russian oblast giving me access to the Mediterranean through Montenegro if the Cilician plan fails) but in Asia the Bear will squeeze the life out of the Sick Man and quench his thirsts on the banks of the Euphrates and the Tigris. And then there it has a cat to sit on.

Armenia's already independent. Buffer state between Ottomans and Russia. So that's why I say:
No border changes.
Puppet states: Romania, Bulgaria, Serbia, Romania, Montenegro, Armenia, and Kurdistan.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

@Quendi: When are you holding the Rio Conference?

[Of the Quendi]

That isn't gonna turn Greece into a Pro Russian State though since both Albania and Egypt is offering the same thing. Plus Egypt is already offering money to help with bringing the Greek Economy up with factories and Albania I'm sure will be open to a Trade Agreement or something beneficial for both of us.

If Greece got involved in the war then it should already be getting the doubling of territory and getting right to the door of Constantinople that is if we win the war. Would be disappointing to fight a war only to gain nothing from it besides a waste of manpower and wealth.

Russia can deliver, and isn't Muslim. And if Greece joins a war it will get land but since it will be Russia that will do the lion's share of the work Russia will be carving up the cake; and Russias friends will eat first and most.

Armenia's already independent. Buffer state between Ottomans and Russia. So that's why I say:
No border changes.
Puppet states: Romania, Bulgaria, Serbia, Romania, Montenegro, Armenia, and Kurdistan.

I will merge that presumably ill-fated buffer state with Russian Armenia.

@Quendi: When are you holding the Rio Conference?

Probably tomorrow. I would prefer to get the armistice with Argentina signed first but it seems Aercos wants to negotiate.

[Halleon]

That isn't gonna turn Greece into a Pro Russian State though since both Albania and Egypt is offering the same thing. Plus Egypt is already offering money to help with bringing the Greek Economy up with factories and Albania I'm sure will be open to a Trade Agreement or something beneficial for both of us.

If Greece got involved in the war then it should already be getting the doubling of territory and getting right to the door of Constantinople that is if we win the war. Would be disappointing to fight a war only to gain nothing from it besides a waste of manpower and wealth.

Russia can deliver, and isn't Muslim. And if Greece joins a war it will get land but since it will be Russia that will do the lion's share of the work Russia will be carving up the cake; and Russias friends will eat first and most.

Gotta ask what do you mean by Pro Russian like having the State be favorable to Russia or Russia pretty much deciding everything like in the form of a puppet state?