OOC 1870 RP (Open)

[Gibberan]

Updated:

*Paraguay War (Tie between US and Argentina, Paraguay divided into North and South)
*Prussian-Bavarian War/Germanic Civil War (Tie, Uti possidetis)
*Germanic-Franco War (Ongoing, though Prussia Bavaria and Austria are winning)
*Conquest of Uruguay (Uti possidetis after Argentina pulled out)
*Russian blockade of Argentina (Argentina surrenders)
*British-Communal conflict (Ongoing)
*Ethiopian Civil War(ongoing)
*Ha'il-Nejd Conflict(Ongoing)

[Seljuq Kyiv]

Either way, this timeline is very screwed up, and I'm not talking about YSGAP. The NGC would never have alienated future subjects to their south. French socialists would never have killed a Prussian ambassador. Austria would never have sided with Prussia when it could have sided with France. Russia would never have permitted an Austro-Prussian pact. France would never have fired on Belgium. Egypt would never have declared war on France. The Ottomans would never have surrendered Armenia, Syria, or Egypt. Argentina would never have gotten itself into a three-front war.

Alas, poor Shimon.

[Of the Quendi]

The US would under no circumstances let go of North Paraguay, unless the country is re-unified under a democratic government with a moderate-large US military presence (which would have already been there before to protect the massive amounts of American interest in the region), similar to what we would have in Colombia. By this time we would be, after seeing France's success with the Suez Canal, pressuring Colombia to allow the US to work on a Panama Canal.

We would also, according to the Monroe Doctrine, have to force any Russian presence in the Americas out, unless we become allies, in which case we could make an exception....

I have no problem with a democratic government with a moderate-large US military presence in Paraguay.

As for the Monroe Doctrine remember that that thing work both ways. Europe cannot into the Americas, the US cannot into anything else is what the Monroe Doctrine is all about.

As for a Russo-American alliance that is probably unlikely. The Russian foreign policy in the aftermath of the Crimean War was one of avoiding entanglements in direct alliances (why I hated on the YSGAP) and instead relying on a more fluid system of interim alliances to permit Russia to focus on its internal issues. "La Russie ne boude pas, la Russie se recueille." One such interim alliance was however with the US against the UK and that was what prompted Russia to send its navy to the US during the Civil War, a significant deterrent to UK or French entrance into the war on the Confederate side, so even if I do not directly ally Russia with the US, the US does owe Russia a favor or two. If thats not enough I can give the US a privileged position to invest in and trade with Russia, and maybe even advocate US interests in Europe.

The way I see it Argentina will be divided into the following.
North Paraguay (USA)
Paraguay
Patagonia
Argentina
Uruguay (Russia)

Patagonia will not happen without US support for the establishment of such a state. Russia is not going to unilaterally establish any new countries in the Americas.

Either way, this timeline is very screwed up, and I'm not talking about YSGAP. The NGC would never have alienated future subjects to their south. French socialists would never have killed a Prussian ambassador. Austria would never have sided with Prussia when it could have sided with France. Russia would never have permitted an Austro-Prussian pact. France would never have fired on Belgium. Egypt would never have declared war on France. The Ottomans would never have surrendered Armenia, Syria, or Egypt. Argentina would never have gotten itself into a three-front war.

Alas, poor Shimon.

France might have invaded Belgium. But other then that you are quite right this RP cannot be accused of rigid realism.

Anyway does anyone know anything about Brissia? If he is AWOL we need a new OP to carry on.

[Seljuq Kyiv]

What if we start from scratch on 1875 instead of continuing this timeline...?

EDIT: Brissia was last online four days ago. I believe the title of OP should be handed to one of our earlier members and one who can remain active. Like Alleniana, for example.

[Glasgia]

So, how's the Commune doing?

[Seljuq Kyiv]

So, how's the Commune doing?

All quiet on the Western Front.

[Kryskov]

What if we start from scratch on 1875 instead of continuing this timeline...?

EDIT: Brissia was last online four days ago. I believe the title of OP should be handed to one of our earlier members and one who can remain active. Like Alleniana, for example.

Allen seems really bogged down with his New Imperialism RP already.

I would kinda like to start from scratch, it'd probably attract some new players who were discouraged by the age of this RP.

So, how's the Commune doing?

Carentan's been taken (rather easily), I am scouting out the areas ahead.

[Seljuq Kyiv]

What if we start from scratch on 1875 instead of continuing this timeline...?

EDIT: Brissia was last online four days ago. I believe the title of OP should be handed to one of our earlier members and one who can remain active. Like Alleniana, for example.

Allen seems really bogged down with his New Imperialism RP already.

I would kinda like to start from scratch, it'd probably attract some new players who were discouraged by the age of this RP.

So, how's the Commune doing?

Carentan's been taken (rather easily), I am scouting out the areas ahead.

We could either:

a. Restart at 1870
b. Reboot at 1875
c. Reboot at an earlier date, say, the American Civil War.

[Gibberan]

Allen seems really bogged down with his New Imperialism RP already.

I would kinda like to start from scratch, it'd probably attract some new players who were discouraged by the age of this RP.



Carentan's been taken (rather easily), I am scouting out the areas ahead.

We could either:

a. Restart at 1870
b. Reboot at 1875
c. Reboot at an earlier date.

I for one don't want to start this Rp over, I vote 1875. Also, it seems Allen is tied up with his 1900 rp

[Seljuq Kyiv]

We could either:

a. Restart at 1870
b. Reboot at 1875
c. Reboot at an earlier date.

I for one don't want to start this Rp over, I vote 1875. Also, it seems Allen is tied up with his 1900 rp

In some respects neither do I, though I would like to hear everyone out on this.

[Of the Quendi]

What if we start from scratch on 1875 instead of continuing this timeline...?

EDIT: Brissia was last online four days ago. I believe the title of OP should be handed to one of our earlier members and one who can remain active. Like Alleniana, for example.

If we start all over I would be more inclined to drop out than partake in a new RP.

[Zumreed]

Wait, are we time skipping?

[The Time Alliance]

Allen seems really bogged down with his New Imperialism RP already.

I would kinda like to start from scratch, it'd probably attract some new players who were discouraged by the age of this RP.



Carentan's been taken (rather easily), I am scouting out the areas ahead.

We could either:

a. Restart at 1870
b. Reboot at 1875
c. Reboot at an earlier date, say, the American Civil War.

B. I can with Russia and Americas help make Argentina's timeline.

[Zumreed]

B, because then King Rama V would've been coronated, and I can begin the mass reforms and westernization.

EDIT: I would however, prefer to remain in this timeline. A lot can change in 5 years. We can always put inactive players as either NPC's or undergoing revolution.

[The State of Czecho-Slovakia]

B. Because Hawaii really didn't have much of anything Western till at least 1875, plausibly. A little sketchy on the details to be honest, but real Westernization doesn't seem to have gotten underway in the military until then, as the Royal Guards were disbanded for a while following a revolt at their barracks.

Hey, look, found my RP sample in edited form!:

It had been a long night for Sen. Martin Aubrey Deering. His flight had been delayed, buffeted by severe turbulence, and generally most unpleasant, but the Aurentina Airlines flight to England had been worth it.

An aide fussed with Deering's coat as he waited for the audience. “Congratulations on your award, sir,” the aide whispered.

Deering smiled anxiously. Before he had time to thank the young man, a footman opened the palace room's ornate doors and announced, “Her Majesty will see you now, sir.”

Sweat beaded on Deering's brow, as he walked unsteadily down the oak paneled passageway. He leaned on the ornate cane which hid his slight limp. Finally, after these long and trying years, his loyalty and service would be rewarded. He passed through a set of doors, and a deep voice boomed out behind him.

“Announcing the arrival of Senator Martin Aubrey Deering, of Aurentina.”

Deering bowed and knelt before his queen. He groaned and cursed his arthritic knees as he lowered himself to the floor.

“For your esteemed service to the public,” the Queen declared, “we are proud to invest you as a Member of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire. For your management of public transport in Aurentina, in keeping with the best interests of both our governments, we commend you.”

When he'd sided for independence, he'd fretted over his choice, but now the division in his loyalties had been resolved. He'd served Aurentina and the Empire, a job well done.

“Arise, Martin Aubrey Deering.”

He rose and, with shaking hands, accepted the shining cross. A quick glance at its legend, 'For God and the Empire', made him smile.

“Your majesty, it is with the greatest appreciation I accept this honor. I shall bear it as a symbol of the continued friendship between the peoples of our nations.”

[Seljuq Kyiv]

Accepted.

[Alleniana]

Oh, hmm.
It'd be a bit of a pity to start over, but the timeline is, indeed, very very screwed up. I'm really not sure about the whole thing, but I'm fairly sure I'd join in a reboot. Almost certainly. Timeskip, I suppose, is fine too.

But no, I couldn't OP a reboot nor timeskip; like Krys said, I'm tied up with New Imperialism, and in addition to that, school starts in a few days. I could co-op, though, I suppose.

[Seljuq Kyiv]

Oh, hmm.
It'd be a bit of a pity to start over, but the timeline is, indeed, very very screwed up. I'm really not sure about the whole thing, but I'm fairly sure I'd join in a reboot. Almost certainly. Timeskip, I suppose, is fine too.

But no, I couldn't OP a reboot nor timeskip; like Krys said, I'm tied up with New Imperialism, and in addition to that, school starts in a few days. I could co-op, though, I suppose.

I suppose we will do 1875 for now.

Damn shame. I can co-op too, but school has started for me.

Proposed app:

NS Name:
Nation Name:
Capital City:
Government Type:
Head of State:
Claimed Territory: (Provide a detailed description, or preferred, a map)
State/National Religion:
Dominant Religion:
Minority Religion(s):
Population: (see geacron)
Population Growth Rate:
Military Organization:
Military Size:
Fleet Size:

National Values: (Technology School from VII)
Technology: (1/10)
Trade Policy: (Free trade, protectionist, etc.)
Civil Freedoms: (Serfdom, corveé labour, slavery, freedom of press, education, etc.)
Primary Import(s):
Primary Export(s):
Primary Culture: (Primary culture/linguistic group)
Accepted Cultures: (Up to 2 cultures, must be present in your territory)

Brief Description of your nation's History: (from 1870 onwards)
Brief Description of your nation's economy:
Brief Description of your nation's government:
Brief Description of your nation's populace:

RP Example:

[Alleniana]

Have to sleep now, will give a suggestion or two tomorrow.
But before I go, add 429 to the bottom, so you can search and find the app.
(429 because so far, 4 RPs use the number ;3 )

[Of the Quendi]

Since the major countries doesn't have to write apps since that is all taken care of may I suggest that we request from people signing up as them that they write a brief essay on the foreign policy of their country. That way not only is a little bit of effort required but people are also forced to research the goals of their nation which may serve to improve realism and bring an end to weird alliances/agreements/etc.

[Seljuq Kyiv]

NS Name:
Nation Name:
Capital City:
Government Type:
Head of State:
Claimed Territory: (Provide a detailed description, or preferred, a map)
State/National Religion:
Dominant Religion:
Minority Religion(s):
Population: (see populstat)
Population Growth Rate:
Military Organization:
Military Size:
Fleet Size:

National Values: (Technology School from VII)
Technology: (1/10)
Trade Policy: (Free trade, protectionist, etc.)
Foreign Policy: (imperialist, isolationist, pro-West, etc.)
Civil Freedoms: (Serfdom, suffrage, freedom of press, education, etc.)
Primary Import(s):
Primary Export(s):
Primary Culture: (Primary culture/linguistic group)
Accepted Cultures: (Up to 2 cultures, must be present in your territory)

Brief Description of your nation's History: (from 1870 onwards, especially the Scramble for Africa)
Brief Description of your nation's economy: (how does the Long Depression affect you?)
Brief Description of your nation's government: (how competent, etc. is your government)
Brief Description of your nation's populace: (including the army)

429

Major countries should at least answer this one:

Brief Description of your nation's History: (from 1870 onwards, especially the Scramble for Africa)
Brief Description of your nation's economy: (how does the Long Depression affect you?)
Brief Description of your nation's government: (how competent, etc. is your government)
Brief Description of your nation's populace: (including the army)

National Values: (Technology School from VII)
Technology: (1/10)
Trade Policy: (Free trade, protectionist, etc.)
Foreign Policy: (imperialist, isolationist, pro-West, etc.)

[The Time Alliance]

NS Name:
Nation Name:
Capital City:
Government Type:
Head of State:
Claimed Territory: (Provide a detailed description, or preferred, a map)
State/National Religion:
Dominant Religion:
Minority Religion(s):
Population: (see populstat)
Population Growth Rate:
Military Organization:
Military Size:
Fleet Size:

National Values: (Technology School from VII)
Technology: (1/10)
Trade Policy: (Free trade, protectionist, etc.)
Foreign Policy: (imperialist, isolationist, pro-West, etc.)
Civil Freedoms: (Serfdom, suffrage, freedom of press, education, etc.)
Primary Import(s):
Primary Export(s):
Primary Culture: (Primary culture/linguistic group)
Accepted Cultures: (Up to 2 cultures, must be present in your territory)

Brief Description of your nation's History: (from 1870 onwards, especially the Scramble for Africa)
Brief Description of your nation's economy: (how does the Long Depression affect you?)
Brief Description of your nation's government: (how competent, etc. is your government)
Brief Description of your nation's populace: (including the army)

429

Major countries should at least answer this one:

Brief Description of your nation's History: (from 1870 onwards, especially the Scramble for Africa)
Brief Description of your nation's economy: (how does the Long Depression affect you?)
Brief Description of your nation's government: (how competent, etc. is your government)
Brief Description of your nation's populace: (including the army)

National Values: (Technology School from VII)
Technology: (1/10)
Trade Policy: (Free trade, protectionist, etc.)
Foreign Policy: (imperialist, isolationist, pro-West, etc.)

I'll return as Argentina..... Russia you wanna tell me what happened to Argentina due to treaty?

[Aercos]

NS Name:
Nation Name:
Capital City:
Government Type:
Head of State:
Claimed Territory: (Provide a detailed description, or preferred, a map)
State/National Religion:
Dominant Religion:
Minority Religion(s):
Population: (see populstat)
Population Growth Rate:
Military Organization:
Military Size:
Fleet Size:

National Values: (Technology School from VII)
Technology: (1/10)
Trade Policy: (Free trade, protectionist, etc.)
Foreign Policy: (imperialist, isolationist, pro-West, etc.)
Civil Freedoms: (Serfdom, suffrage, freedom of press, education, etc.)
Primary Import(s):
Primary Export(s):
Primary Culture: (Primary culture/linguistic group)
Accepted Cultures: (Up to 2 cultures, must be present in your territory)

Brief Description of your nation's History: (from 1870 onwards, especially the Scramble for Africa)
Brief Description of your nation's economy: (how does the Long Depression affect you?)
Brief Description of your nation's government: (how competent, etc. is your government)
Brief Description of your nation's populace: (including the army)

429

Major countries should at least answer this one:

Brief Description of your nation's History: (from 1870 onwards, especially the Scramble for Africa)
Brief Description of your nation's economy: (how does the Long Depression affect you?)
Brief Description of your nation's government: (how competent, etc. is your government)
Brief Description of your nation's populace: (including the army)

National Values: (Technology School from VII)
Technology: (1/10)
Trade Policy: (Free trade, protectionist, etc.)
Foreign Policy: (imperialist, isolationist, pro-West, etc.)

I'll return as Argentina..... Russia you wanna tell me what happened to Argentina due to treaty?

Agree, I am a bit blocked on how To progress here and I wont be Able To post for next week.

[The Time Alliance]

I'll return as Argentina..... Russia you wanna tell me what happened to Argentina due to treaty?

Agree, I am a bit blocked on how To progress here and I wont be Able To post for next week.

Hmmm? Okay. That works well.

[Of the Quendi]

I'll return as Argentina..... Russia you wanna tell me what happened to Argentina due to treaty?

Well it doesn't seem there is much support for an independent Patagonia so most of the change will be economic concessions to the Russian Empire.

Uruguay will be given independency, it will receive an indemnity and possibly some land and Argentina will secede anything it may have gained during the Paraguyan War to a restored Paraguayan state, which may even get a bit more land from Argentina.

Russia will be payed a huge war indemnity. How huge I don't know yet, but I read that Argentina's debt almost doubled from 48 million gold pesos in 1870 to 1871 so at least fifty million if not more. At a fairly high interest rate level, and payed for in US dollars or Pound Sterling not pesos. I am trying to find out what the GDP and state revenue of Argentina was in 1870 to decide on a suitable number. In addition to the war indemnity Argentina would give a number of mercantile concessions to Russia to give Russia a privileged standing in the Argentinian economy.