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Postby Rednael » Wed Dec 18, 2013 9:37 am

Islamic Republic e Jariri wrote:Ryn did not confirm Anisha as an immortal until I introduced Damien into the series.

And do you quite get what I'm saying Red? I have no interest in TIs, Ryn can do whatever he wants with them, I am not touching them.

Answer to first statement. I stopped asking about the Immortals that Ryn created a long time ago.
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Postby Harbertia » Wed Dec 18, 2013 9:53 am

Rednael wrote:
Islamic Republic e Jariri wrote:Ryn did not confirm Anisha as an immortal until I introduced Damien into the series.

And do you quite get what I'm saying Red? I have no interest in TIs, Ryn can do whatever he wants with them, I am not touching them.

Answer to first statement. I stopped asking about the Immortals that Ryn created a long time ago.


Well Jar, Anisha's been immortal since Book One.

Damien didn't come in until Book Two.

Rednael wrote:Have you asked if everyone still remaining in the OM&T series approves of your idea? Because that's important in a community like you're attempting to crate here, otherwise it's not a community.
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Postby Islamic Republic e Jariri » Wed Dec 18, 2013 9:53 am

Kim stood bleeding in the shadow of a large faceless humanoid being. She gripped her katana sword tightly which was now riddled with cracks and was severely blunted. Breathing heavily from exhaustion he desperately tried to suppress a feeling she had never felt before in centuries: a fear for her life. The figure was tall, wearing a dark cloak, it had a bald head with no facial features save two black holes caving in where the eyes should have been.

''Not even...a scratch?''

CRACK!

The right half of the creatures face suddenly crumbled and fell apart, revealing a silver mechanical clockwork.

''Its a...machine?''

She clutched her fist before giving out a big exhalement of air. Raising her hand a cloud of water vapor appeared. The creature stood silent and then started slowly moving towards her. The cloud then flew towards it and entered the opening that had been formed through its face, before condensing into ice, freezing the systems internally.

Kim gave out a sigh of relief as the creature remained still.
''Regenerate.'' she said before her injuries started healing.

And then she heard it.
The hissing.
Looking back at the mechanical being she saw a golden light emitting underneath its skin. It increasingly intensified every second before suddenly blinding her in a burst of energy blasting out of it. After that, she looked and saw its face rebuild itself, the broken half mending and the frozen clockwork restarting. It looked at her with its empty hollow eyes, and they showed nothing but hunger.

''What..are you?!'' she shouted before unsheathing her wazikashi.

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Postby Islamic Republic e Jariri » Wed Dec 18, 2013 9:57 am

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Rednael wrote:Answer to first statement. I stopped asking about the Immortals that Ryn created a long time ago.


Well Jar, Anisha's been immortal since Book One.

Damien didn't come in until Book Two.

Rednael wrote:Have you asked if everyone still remaining in the OM&T series approves of your idea? Because that's important in a community like you're attempting to crate here, otherwise it's not a community.


We both have our own kinds of immortals, I don't see where he is relevant in this which does not concern TIs.

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Postby Harbertia » Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:03 am

Islamic Republic e Jariri wrote:
Harbertia wrote:
Well Jar, Anisha's been immortal since Book One.

Damien didn't come in until Book Two.



We both have our own kinds of immortals, I don't see where he is relevant in this which does not concern TIs.


It was more or less your claim to have brought immortals into the series, I think your feeling what Ryn was feeling, as he too had plans for the Immortals he had introduced (Anisha was suppose to be a servant of Death, hunting down those who had escaped death, so when you created Death, Ryn approved, Death is on the list of his favorite character on the wiki).

Besides, why wouldn't they hunt down TIs? You can't just ignore their presence in such a situation, they are a part of the world, and a bit more numerous then other immortals (I mean, you had most of the Child Immortals killed by Ryn's Immortals). The only other immortals are some Vampires.

I know you haven't asked what we think, as we most often show some disapproval....
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Postby Islamic Republic e Jariri » Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:11 am

Harbertia wrote:
Islamic Republic e Jariri wrote:
We both have our own kinds of immortals, I don't see where he is relevant in this which does not concern TIs.


It was more or less your claim to have brought immortals into the series, I think your feeling what Ryn was feeling, as he too had plans for the Immortals he had introduced (Anisha was suppose to be a servant of Death, hunting down those who had escaped death, so when you created Death, Ryn approved, Death is on the list of his favorite character on the wiki).

Besides, why wouldn't they hunt down TIs? You can't just ignore their presence in such a situation, they are a part of the world, and a bit more numorus then other immortals (I mean, you had most of the Child Immortals killed by Ryn's Immortals). The only other immortals are someVampires.

I know you haven't asked what we think, as we most often show some disapproval....


I have not yet revealed my plans for Child Immortals.

I was always under the genuine impression I created human immortals in OM&T, I had never even heard of Anisha when I created Damien. And I gave them their own mythos, but then Ryn put more work into Anisha's kind, but I never wanted to have anything to do with them.

Don't you see, I can't make them hunt TIs, I doubt Ryn would ever want that for his immortal characters.
But I don't like TIs being servants of Death even if that is what they may be, they restrict creativity and I'm therefore using the Eaters as an alternate plot device. I'm ignoring TIs because I'm afraid of involving them, besides their 'special' immortals, probably even exempt from the Day of Signs.
Damien is an immortal is his own journey, and in his journey, his last and most powerful foes will be the Eaters, not the TIs. Ryn is the one in charge of TIs and I cannot risk them constraining Damien's development, so I'm creating my own substitute (the Eaters) where I have more freedom of creativity without falling into Ryn's wrath, and the only way I can ensure that, is to have absolutely nothing to do with his characters (namely the TIs).

I don't like the idea of Ryn controlling the fates of all immortals (namely my immortals) I have my own separate plans for them, unconstrained by Ryn.
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Postby Harbertia » Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:14 am

Islamic Republic e Jariri wrote:
Harbertia wrote:
It was more or less your claim to have brought immortals into the series, I think your feeling what Ryn was feeling, as he too had plans for the Immortals he had introduced (Anisha was suppose to be a servant of Death, hunting down those who had escaped death, so when you created Death, Ryn approved, Death is on the list of his favorite character on the wiki).

Besides, why wouldn't they hunt down TIs? You can't just ignore their presence in such a situation, they are a part of the world, and a bit more numorus then other immortals (I mean, you had most of the Child Immortals killed by Ryn's Immortals). The only other immortals are someVampires.

I know you haven't asked what we think, as we most often show some disapproval....


I have not yet revealed my plans for Child Immortals.

I was always under the genuine impression I created human immortals in OM&T, I had never even heard of Anisha when I created Damien. And I gave them their own mythos, but then Ryn put more work into Anisha's kind, but I never wanted to have anything to do with them.

Don't you see, I can't make them hunt TIs, I doubt Ryn would ever want that for his immortal characters.
But I don't like TIs being servants of Death even if that is what they may be, they restrict creativity and I'm therefore using the Eaters as an alternate plot device. I'm ignoring TIs because I'm afraid of involving them, besides their 'special' immortals, probably even exempt from the Day of Signs.
Damien is an immortal is his own journey, and in his journey, his last and most powerful foes will be the Eaters, not the TIs. Ryn is the one in charge of TIs and I cannot risk them constraining Damien's development, so I'm creating my own substitute (the Eaters) where I have more freedom of creativity without falling into Ryn's wrath, and the only way I can ensure that, is to have absolutely nothing to do with his characters (namely the TIs).


The finale is non-canon right? Sort of like your section on Damien's possible future?

(I understand the need for creative freedom)
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Postby Islamic Republic e Jariri » Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:18 am

How do you expect me to involve TIs in this? I have no rights over them, and they already limit what I can write.
I want to create antagonists not TIs, I want effective plot devices, not TIs, I want a good and memorable conclusion, not TIs.
There is nothing I can do about the absence of TIs, I have no control over them, so I cannot involve them. I am excluding them from the hunt.
The Eaters are after immortals, not TIs.

BTW: Possible future means unconfirmed canon, so depending on how the RP works out or if I leave, I'll decide if I officially make that his conclusion or not to finish my work.
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Postby Islamic Republic e Jariri » Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:26 am

I cannot even use TIs, so I really have no choice but to ignore them.

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Postby Harbertia » Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:29 am

Islamic Republic e Jariri wrote:How do you expect me to involve TIs in this? I have no rights over them, and they already limit what I can write.
I want to create antagonists not TIs, I want effective plot devices, not TIs, I want a good and memorable conclusion, not TIs.
There is nothing I can do about the absence of TIs, I have no control over them, so I cannot involve them. I am excluding them from the hunt.
The Eaters are after immortals, not TIs.

BTW: Possible future means unconfirmed canon, so depending on how the RP works out or if I leave, I'll decide if I officially make that his conclusion or not to finish my work.


Jar, Ryn isn't in the group, someone has to carry on the story of his creations, or include them if they are to remain alive. We can't just let them sit their. Like all of us who leave, his characters are NPCs now. He has also left us with details on who they are, and how they can be slain. This event would not only allow Damien to have a conclusion, but for the TI's to have a good "hoo ra!" or epic stand or something memorable. Besides, Damien has met Anisha before, I find the prospect of the two having to work together against these invaders interesting.
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Postby Islamic Republic e Jariri » Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:38 am

Harbertia wrote:
Islamic Republic e Jariri wrote:How do you expect me to involve TIs in this? I have no rights over them, and they already limit what I can write.
I want to create antagonists not TIs, I want effective plot devices, not TIs, I want a good and memorable conclusion, not TIs.
There is nothing I can do about the absence of TIs, I have no control over them, so I cannot involve them. I am excluding them from the hunt.
The Eaters are after immortals, not TIs.

BTW: Possible future means unconfirmed canon, so depending on how the RP works out or if I leave, I'll decide if I officially make that his conclusion or not to finish my work.


Jar, Ryn isn't in the group, someone has to carry on the story of his creations, or include them if they are to remain alive. We can't just let them sit their. Like all of us who leave, his characters are NPCs now. He has also left us with details on who they are, and how they can be slain. This event would not only allow Damien to have a conclusion, but for the TI's to have a good "hoo ra!" or epic stand or something memorable. Besides, Damien has met Anisha before, I find the prospect of the two having to work together against these invaders interesting.



Ryn would never let me use Anisha, and I don't even know if Anisha a TI would work with Damien, a Immortal/CI.

I...am...too...scared of invoking his wrath. Ryn would never want to involve Anisha against a foe that is more powerful than the Tiste and very much invincible. He'd lose it, thinking I'm sending everyone on a suicide trip, because of how powerful I've made the Eaters, to the point even Salvia cannot protect Damien anymore against this new more powerful threat that is unstoppable (that doesn't mean I don't have a plan to stop them, but I'm not telling anyone, and Ryn will distrust me and wouldn't want the TIs fighting a foe they have no hope of defeating, even if all 7 of them combined.
That is the scale of this new threat that will be Damien's final enemy, he cannot defeat them.

And I don't think Ryn wants to go up an enemy that is more invincible than the Tiste (I still have a plan, but involving TIs just makes me nervous, I have my own mythos and origins which I will abide by, and TIs are kind of like alien waters) Therefore I simply chose to spare the TIs. The Eaters are not going after them (or so was my original plan) so Ryn won't have to worry about them having to fight a foe they cannot win against.

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Postby Harbertia » Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:49 am

Islamic Republic e Jariri wrote:
Harbertia wrote:
Jar, Ryn isn't in the group, someone has to carry on the story of his creations, or include them if they are to remain alive. We can't just let them sit their. Like all of us who leave, his characters are NPCs now. He has also left us with details on who they are, and how they can be slain. This event would not only allow Damien to have a conclusion, but for the TI's to have a good "hoo ra!" or epic stand or something memorable. Besides, Damien has met Anisha before, I find the prospect of the two having to work together against these invaders interesting.



Ryn would never let me use Anisha, and I don't even know if Anisha a TI would work with Damien, a Immortal/CI.

I...am...too...scared of invoking his wrath. Ryn would never want to involve Anisha against a foe that is more powerful than the Tiste and very much invincible. He'd lose it, thinking I'm sending everyone on a suicide trip, because of how powerful I've made the Eaters, to the point even Salvia cannot protect Damien anymore against this new more powerful threat that is unstoppable (that doesn't mean I don't have a plan to stop them, but I'm not telling anyone, and Ryn will distrust me and wouldn't want the TIs fighting a foe they have no hope of defeating, even if all 7 of them combined.
That is the scale of this new threat that will be Damien's final enemy, he cannot defeat them.

And I don't think Ryn wants to go up an enemy that is more invincible than the Tiste (I still have a plan, but involving TIs just makes me nervous, I have my own mythos and origins which I will abide by, and TIs are kind of like alien waters) Therefore I simply chose to spare the TIs. The Eaters are not going after them (or so was my original plan) so Ryn won't have to worry about them having to fight a foe they cannot win against.


Calling for a vote from the OM&T council to decide if this is none Canon.

Reasons
- Rule 1: No one but the gods may be more powerful then the Tiste.
- Jariri is right, Ryn does not approve.
- In Book Two it was decided to not allow the Ragon to make an appearance, extraterrestrials were banned.

Vote Begins now;

members to vote:

Jariri

PF

My Self

Vote stands at 1 out of 3 for non-canon labeling.
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Postby Islamic Republic e Jariri » Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:56 am

Uh...the Eaters aren't extra-terrestrial by the way.

I wanted to make it a canon ending for Damien not involving TIs because that only complicates everything, so I was only going to use characters I have rights over, namely the ones I created and Salvia. I never wanted TIs to have a part in his end.

That's why it doesn't matter how powerful the Eaters are, they won't be affecting any of the other characters, plus it will be set in the distant future, so most of the current RP characters would have passed away.

There is an earthly way to stop them, I'm just not revealing it. I have a plot after all and I would prefer to minimize the involvement of characters I don't control, therefore the story does not include TIs.

And their not after the mortal human race, just the immortals (excluding TIs so Ryn won't have to worry about his TIs being dragged into something he doesn't like).
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Postby Harbertia » Wed Dec 18, 2013 11:06 am

Islamic Republic e Jariri wrote:Uh...the Eaters aren't extra-terrestrial by the way.

I wanted to make it a canon ending for Damien not involving TIs because that only complicates everything, so I was only going to use characters I have rights over, namely the ones I created and Salvia. I never wanted TIs to have a part in his end.

That's why it doesn't matter how powerful the Eaters are, they won't be affecting any of the other characters, plus it will be set in the distant future, so most of the current RP characters would have passed away.

There is an earthly way to stop them, I'm just not revealing it. I have a plot after all and I would prefer to minimize the involvement of characters I don't control, therefore the story does not include TIs.

And their not after the mortal human race, just the immortals.


Jariri has given defense in the name of Canonization. IN rebuke, I must point out his own admission to this having no prospect on the current storyline, nor does it happen in the the current timeline. Much like the non-canon future Cold Harbor RP, it has little to do with the current storyline, and events may not indeed head in that direction. The part about most characters being dead, as this plot involves immortals, is non standing, though as TI's are known for rebirth, their character may have changed.

With the vote 1 to 1 we now await the vote of Personal Freedoms on the matter.

@Jariri: Ryn would like to remind you that TI's don't kill mindlessly, though he seems to forget that if they don't kill 'false immortals, they will been seen as loosing their way, and hunted down. He would like to remind you that they can work with other Immortals, and would, if faced with a common foe. (I can see why you call them evil).
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Postby Islamic Republic e Jariri » Wed Dec 18, 2013 11:15 am

Harbertia wrote:
Islamic Republic e Jariri wrote:Uh...the Eaters aren't extra-terrestrial by the way.

I wanted to make it a canon ending for Damien not involving TIs because that only complicates everything, so I was only going to use characters I have rights over, namely the ones I created and Salvia. I never wanted TIs to have a part in his end.

That's why it doesn't matter how powerful the Eaters are, they won't be affecting any of the other characters, plus it will be set in the distant future, so most of the current RP characters would have passed away.

There is an earthly way to stop them, I'm just not revealing it. I have a plot after all and I would prefer to minimize the involvement of characters I don't control, therefore the story does not include TIs.

And their not after the mortal human race, just the immortals.


Jariri has given defense in the name of Canonization. IN rebuke, I must point out his own admission to this having no prospect on the current storyline, nor does it happen in the the current timeline. Much like the non-canon future Cold Harbor RP, it has little to do with the current storyline, and events may not indeed head in that direction. The part about most characters being dead, as this plot involves immortals, is non standing, though as TI's are known for rebirth, their character may have changed.

With the vote 1 to 1 we now await the vote of Personal Freedoms on the matter.

@Jariri: Ryn would like to remind you that TI's don't kill mindlessly, though he seems to forget that if they don't they will been seen as loosing their way, and hunted down. He would like to remind you that they can work with other Immortals, and world, if faced with a common foe. (I can see why you call them evil).


It is a threat that does not even concern TIs, no one is going after them, and I don't see how the current storyline will ever truly change the directions of my character's fate. He is never going to be killed by a TI, no matter what I will never allow that one ending.
I want to end Damien on a high note, TIs were never going to be significant to his end, and the world is not under threat, just the immortals (excluding Ryn's TIs to whom the Eaters won't be going after).

This is a threat to the immortals, not the earth and certainly not the TIs.

This is not an RP based finale, it will all be written by me, so there is no need to fuss over being over-powered since no player is going to be disadvantaged because of it. Damien will end, by himself, outside the RP format.

This event only concerns non-TIs like Damien and the Child Immortals, and only the characters I have control over, so its not even going to effect the other characters.
What you said about TIs and rebirth and them changing, it doesn't matter since this is not the TI finale, this is the end of Damien (NOT the world) and an over-reaching conclusion for all the other characters I control, nothing to do with the ones I don't control.

I might have to leave NS one day, and before I do I want to finish Damien's story, by myself, not as an NPC.

I am not involving TIs, I am not involving any character that is not mine to control, this has no affect on the players, this is my own standalone conclusion.
Only my characters will be affected, no one else will win or lose anything but me and me alone. This is the end.

These new foes are not invincible, and they will be stopped and defeated, they will be, because their only the major antagonists of Part I of the finale.
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Postby Harbertia » Wed Dec 18, 2013 11:21 am

I leave the vote to our final member, Personal Freedoms.
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Postby Islamic Republic e Jariri » Wed Dec 18, 2013 11:31 am

Its all up to Personal Freedom to make the final decision...

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Postby Islamic Republic e Jariri » Wed Dec 18, 2013 11:37 am

Now to listen to songs that fight fit with the end and redemption....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vDC3-ni3s4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJREB51Do3c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNG80GRfsyg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVgg_eDdW7I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaYupMWjn68

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=si66KEeACrY

What I've Done, Breaking the Habit, Final Countdown and Assassins Creed 3 credits seem to be the best ones.

Damien can never truly be a hero, its too late for that, but he'll certainly experience redemption.
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Postby Islamic Republic e Jariri » Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:03 pm

There's even a Nightcore called In the End

And that scene where his end is prophesied...




With Damien's end impending...I wonder whatever happened to Max...Ushio became an android.
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LOL.

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LOL.


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Clannad AfterStory....wow....just wow...how do they do that...

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*Yawns*
What's going on, I decided to get on a little early today...
Tough I may go back to sleep as it very early.
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Its 8:17 PM here.

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