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Postby Holy Empire of Avalon » Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:07 pm

Anyway, back to story stuff please?
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Postby Novia Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:07 pm

Personal Freedom wrote:
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When you put it that way, every ideology is discriminatory towards one person or another.



There are communist ideals though in there like the central pool of resources thing. Sounded like he was looking at a resource based economy too.

Utopian Socialist ideas I would argue.


It's possible. We would need to make major strides in Space Exploration and Robotics though. Current conditions wouldn't allow for that kind of society.
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Postby Harbertia » Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:08 pm

Holy Empire of Avalon wrote:Anyway, back to story stuff please?


Yes please...
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Postby Holy Empire of Avalon » Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:09 pm

Harbertia wrote:
Holy Empire of Avalon wrote:Anyway, back to story stuff please?


Yes please...

Want to help me with expanding the SS Program?
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Postby Harbertia » Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:09 pm

Holy Empire of Avalon wrote:
Harbertia wrote:
Yes please...

Want to help me with expanding the SS Program?


no
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Postby Islamic Republic e Jariri » Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:10 pm

Novia Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Personal Freedom wrote:Utopian Socialist ideas I would argue.


It's possible. We would need to make major strides in Space Exploration and Robotics though. Current conditions wouldn't allow for that kind of society.


I think the neo-Classical school of economics employed by the Capitalist systems today needs to be reformed back into the Classical school of economics, for a fairer and more efficient Capitalism to exist:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fbvquHSPJU

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Postby Holy Empire of Avalon » Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:10 pm

Harbertia wrote:
Holy Empire of Avalon wrote:Want to help me with expanding the SS Program?


no

Alright then.
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Aravean Liberation
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Postby Personal Freedom » Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:16 pm

Islamic Republic e Jariri wrote:
Novia Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
It's possible. We would need to make major strides in Space Exploration and Robotics though. Current conditions wouldn't allow for that kind of society.


I think the neo-Classical school of economics employed by the Capitalist systems today needs to be reformed back into the Classical school of economics, for a fairer and more efficient Capitalism to exist:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fbvquHSPJU

We should obviously used mercantilism and medieval guildes. XD
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Postby Harbertia » Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:18 pm

Personal Freedom wrote:
Islamic Republic e Jariri wrote:
I think the neo-Classical school of economics employed by the Capitalist systems today needs to be reformed back into the Classical school of economics, for a fairer and more efficient Capitalism to exist:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fbvquHSPJU

We should obviously used mercantilism and medieval guildes. XD


I actually support guilds :)
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Postby Novia Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:19 pm

Harbertia wrote:
Personal Freedom wrote:We should obviously used mercantilism and medieval guildes. XD


I actually support guilds :)


Unfortunately there are laws that prevent the more...worthwhile guilds from existing. Legally anyway :blush:
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Postby Islamic Republic e Jariri » Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:20 pm

Personal Freedom wrote:
Islamic Republic e Jariri wrote:
I think the neo-Classical school of economics employed by the Capitalist systems today needs to be reformed back into the Classical school of economics, for a fairer and more efficient Capitalism to exist:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fbvquHSPJU

We should obviously used mercantilism and medieval guildes. XD


Mercantilism? Isn't that pretty.... archaic? Would it still be accepted into mainstream modern society of today?

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Postby Personal Freedom » Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:22 pm

Novia Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Harbertia wrote:
I actually support guilds :)


Unfortunately there are laws that prevent the more...worthwhile guilds from existing. Legally anyway :blush:

The Plumbers and Steamfitters Union is like a guild almost.
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Postby Novia Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:23 pm

Personal Freedom wrote:
Novia Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Unfortunately there are laws that prevent the more...worthwhile guilds from existing. Legally anyway :blush:

The Plumbers and Steamfitters Union is like a guild almost.


Actually I was thinking of something like the Thieves Guild and Fighters Guild, more money in those ya see :blush:
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Postby Harbertia » Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:24 pm

Novia Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Unfortunately there are laws that prevent the more...worthwhile guilds from existing. Legally anyway :blush:


True, the only guilds I'm aware of are the Screen Actors Guild, and the American Herbalist Guild. Though I believe the latter has recently undergone a sort of reform.

Novia Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Actually I was thinking of something like the Thieves Guild and Fighters Guild, more money in those ya see :blush:


oh, I was talking about professional guilds.
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Postby Novia Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:26 pm

Harbertia wrote:
Novia Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Unfortunately there are laws that prevent the more...worthwhile guilds from existing. Legally anyway :blush:


True, the only guilds I'm aware of are the Screen Actors Guild, and the American Herbalist Guild. Though I believe the latter has recently undergone a sort of reform.

Novia Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Actually I was thinking of something like the Thieves Guild and Fighters Guild, more money in those ya see :blush:


oh, I was talking about professional guilds.


Well there was a Stone Masons Guild, Calving Guild and probably a Mercenaries Guild at one point. Apparently it wasn't illegal to be a Mercenary back in the old days.
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Postby Personal Freedom » Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:29 pm

Novia Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Harbertia wrote:
True, the only guilds I'm aware of are the Screen Actors Guild, and the American Herbalist Guild. Though I believe the latter has recently undergone a sort of reform.



oh, I was talking about professional guilds.


Well there was a Stone Masons Guild, Calving Guild and probably a Mercenaries Guild at one point. Apparently it wasn't illegal to be a Mercenary back in the old days.

West Virginia history is full of mercenaries. Pinkertons still exist....
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Postby Islamic Republic e Jariri » Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:55 pm

During the days of the Order, would a city like Cold Harbour still have a Mayor, but non-elected and appointed by the city's oligarchy?

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Postby Personal Freedom » Sat Oct 18, 2014 6:02 pm

Islamic Republic e Jariri wrote:During the days of the Order, would a city like Cold Harbour still have a Mayor, but non-elected and appointed by the city's oligarchy?

According the website it had a mayor that was in liege with the rich oligarchy. I would think that he would still be elected, the Order seemed like an elected tyranny to me.
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Postby Holy Empire of Avalon » Sat Oct 18, 2014 6:03 pm

What year did the Order rise?
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Postby Rynagria » Sat Oct 18, 2014 6:06 pm

Holy Empire of Avalon wrote:What year did the Order rise?

Just before the Great War erupted.
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Postby Harbertia » Sat Oct 18, 2014 6:10 pm

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Holy Empire of Avalon wrote:What year did the Order rise?

Just before the Great War erupted.


1886

by 1914 they had governance of Europe, and North America, and had prevented what we know of as WWI.

It was not till 1923 that the Order controlled the entire world.
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Postby Personal Freedom » Sat Oct 18, 2014 6:11 pm

We need to edit the timeline a bit to record the Chinese history we have established.
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Postby Holy Empire of Avalon » Sat Oct 18, 2014 6:11 pm

Just ran a World War scenario simulation. The Allies fought the Axis, all went the same up until this point-
The US focused entirely upon the Pacific campaign. The UK liberated France with heavy casualties. Russia mobilized deep into Germany while taking moderate loses. The battle of Berlin resulted in heavy casualties for all sides. The US meanwhile during all this conquered Japan and then using its bases in China assumed control over all of the Oriental East. After the battle of Berlin Relations sour with Russia sparking a war between RUS and France and the UK. Seizing the moment the US attacked the Eastern side of Russia making it a two front war. Russia was destroyed with minor US casualties as most RUS forces were focused on the Western front. The US decided to once more grasp opportunity and attacked its allies destroying the UK and France... the US conquered the entire world. It was scary to watch. O.O

I knew the Order arose earlier in history than then, but that reminded me a lot of the Order.
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Order of the Purple Cross
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Postby Islamic Republic e Jariri » Sat Oct 18, 2014 6:12 pm

Personal Freedom wrote:
Islamic Republic e Jariri wrote:During the days of the Order, would a city like Cold Harbour still have a Mayor, but non-elected and appointed by the city's oligarchy?

According the website it had a mayor that was in liege with the rich oligarchy. I would think that he would still be elected, the Order seemed like an elected tyranny to me.


I see.... that helps.

For the Sanctioned Prequel, or at least for a part of it I'm planning to explore Cold Harbor again, this time in the pre-revolutionary days,

After the fall of the Order from America in 2017 this fat man called Samual was appointed as mayor.

I have a new character in mind now, Samual's predecessor, Joshua Carmichael, the last Order endorsed mayor of Cold Harbor.

I also have antagonists in mind, OELS (Organization for the Emancipation and Liberation of Superhumans, pronounced 'Oils'?)

In essence a radical terrorist group that was active during the last years of the Order, however by the time of the actual revolution they were long neutralized by the Sanctioned and the SLF became the primary vanguard organisation for superhuman liberation and the fall of the Order; while OELS became an old memory associated with the era of the Order.

They're like the Path, that is when the Path became evil, not the Path back when it was a peaceful organization.

OELS was more focused on instigating anarchy and chaos, under the theory that Superhumans would triumph and create a new society out of survival of the fittest.

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Postby Personal Freedom » Sat Oct 18, 2014 6:13 pm

Underground Rebellions roots itself, as the major parties are created across the world.


What doe this mean?
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