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GOram wrote:So, Yanks, I require your help. Much as I am an Englishman, I've always been somewhat fascinated by the U.S. Civil War. Something about the Confederacy and the Union has a certain romance to it. From a purely military point of view, there are obvious parallels with the Great War and, baring in mind the writings of Ludendorff and (to a lesser extent) Clausewitz, it's a total war.

Unfortunately, I don't know all that much about it and UK book shops are unfortunately light on the subject (which is unsurprising, despite the significant impact of the event). Don't really want to be wasting by meagre funds, shooting in the dark online, so, I put it to you - what are the best books on the Civil War (Mon, Tiger, Quebec, I get the feeling I'm looking to you here).

Len Hyet wrote:

GOram wrote:So, Yanks, I require your help. Much as I am an Englishman, I've always been somewhat fascinated by the U.S. Civil War. Something about the Confederacy and the Union has a certain romance to it. From a purely military point of view, there are obvious parallels with the Great War and, baring in mind the writings of Ludendorff and (to a lesser extent) Clausewitz, it's a total war.

Unfortunately, I don't know all that much about it and UK book shops are unfortunately light on the subject (which is unsurprising, despite the significant impact of the event). Don't really want to be wasting by meagre funds, shooting in the dark online, so, I put it to you - what are the best books on the Civil War (Mon, Tiger, Quebec, I get the feeling I'm looking to you here).

Bah, I'm offended! I'm very interested in the Civil War. You'll want to get The Civil War Trilogy: Gods and Generals / The Killer Angels / The Last Full Measure for sure. It's a slightly (though very slightly) dramatized account of the Civil War from beginning to end, rather objectively showing both sides of the conflict.

Also, does anyone here by chance read the Destroyermen series?

GOram wrote:So, Yanks, I require your help. Much as I am an Englishman, I've always been somewhat fascinated by the U.S. Civil War. Something about the Confederacy and the Union has a certain romance to it. From a purely military point of view, there are obvious parallels with the Great War and, baring in mind the writings of Ludendorff and (to a lesser extent) Clausewitz, it's a total war.

Unfortunately, I don't know all that much about it and UK book shops are unfortunately light on the subject (which is unsurprising, despite the significant impact of the event). Don't really want to be wasting by meagre funds, shooting in the dark online, so, I put it to you - what are the best books on the Civil War (Mon, Tiger, Quebec, I get the feeling I'm looking to you here).

GOram wrote:

Len Hyet wrote:
Bah, I'm offended! I'm very interested in the Civil War. You'll want to get The Civil War Trilogy: Gods and Generals / The Killer Angels / The Last Full Measure for sure. It's a slightly (though very slightly) dramatized account of the Civil War from beginning to end, rather objectively showing both sides of the conflict.

Also, does anyone here by chance read the Destroyermen series?

In the words of the movie Battle of Britain

"Didn't know you were with us"

But yeah, thanks man. Heard those books are good (so are the movies), but I'm looking for something a little more academic in nature?

Monfrox wrote:

GOram wrote:
In the words of the movie Battle of Britain

"Didn't know you were with us"

But yeah, thanks man. Heard those books are good (so are the movies), but I'm looking for something a little more academic in nature?

IIRC didn't the British try to take advantage of the US during the Civil War somehow?

Gibberan wrote:

Monfrox wrote:IIRC didn't the British try to take advantage of the US during the Civil War somehow?

Sort of

GOram wrote:

Gibberan wrote:Sort of

The Trent Affair is hardly the British taking advantage. The British did, however, supply the Confederacy with a degree of materiel support which the South couldn't adequately manufacture alone (i.e. rifled cannon and at least two ships, one of which was the raider CSS Alabama). At the same time, the British traded with the Union as well, so, it's swings and roundabouts really.

Gibberan wrote:Also,
I'm a Yankee Doodle Dandy,
A Yankee Doodle, do or die;
A real live nephew of my Uncle Sam,
Born on the Fourth of July.
I've got a Yankee Doodle sweetheart,
She's my Yankee Doodle joy.
Yankee Doodle came to London, just to ride the ponies;
I am the Yankee Doodle Boy!

And, yes, I copy/pasted that fom Wikipedia

"You shouldn't have to copy it, you doity rat!

Now go watch Yankee Doodle Dandy until you've memorized it!"

GOram wrote:

Len Hyet wrote:
Bah, I'm offended! I'm very interested in the Civil War. You'll want to get The Civil War Trilogy: Gods and Generals / The Killer Angels / The Last Full Measure for sure. It's a slightly (though very slightly) dramatized account of the Civil War from beginning to end, rather objectively showing both sides of the conflict.

Also, does anyone here by chance read the Destroyermen series?

In the words of the movie Battle of Britain

"Didn't know you were with us"

But yeah, thanks man. Heard those books are good (so are the movies), but I'm looking for something a little more academic in nature?

Gibberan wrote:

GOram wrote:
The Trent Affair is hardly the British taking advantage. The British did, however, supply the Confederacy with a degree of materiel support which the South couldn't adequately manufacture alone (i.e. rifled cannon and at least two ships, one of which was the raider CSS Alabama). At the same time, the British traded with the Union as well, so, it's swings and roundabouts really.

The British public, for the most part anyway, supported the Union due to many being largely opposed to the continuation of slavery, which was established as a major objective in the war after the Emancipation Proclamation. It was mainly the higher-ups in the government who favored the Confederacy due to Britain's cotton and textile imports from them. Most likely due to public opinion, PM Palmerston rejected any intervention, even a British-French coalition supporting the South.

However I'm not very knowledgeable about the Civil War anyway, it's more the Spanish-American War and onward for me.

The Tamerelian Empire wrote:Sean Connery was a great choice for the Captain, Tig/Gren.

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The Tamerelian Empire wrote:Sean Connery was a great choice for the Captain, Tig/Gren.

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Gibberan wrote:

The Tamerelian Empire wrote:Sean Connery was a great choice for the Captain, Tig/Gren.

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I have GOT to see that movie, it keeps getting mentioned.

EDIT: BAH, YOU'RE OFFLINE!

The Two Jerseys wrote:

Gibberan wrote:I have GOT to see that movie, it keeps getting mentioned.

EDIT: BAH, YOU'RE OFFLINE!

It was just on TCM a couple of weeks ago.

It's also been on my DVR for a couple weeks.

Don't fucking judge me.

Grenartia wrote:I'm currently enjoying a Community DVR watchathon

The Two Jerseys wrote:

Grenartia wrote:I'm currently enjoying a Community DVR watchathon

You mean a Community Dean-VR watchathon.

Morrdh wrote:So the F-82 Twin Mustang has been added to War Thunder and I've been wondering what a Twin Spitfire would look like.

Well...

Morrdh wrote:So the F-82 Twin Mustang has been added to War Thunder and I've been wondering what a Twin Spitfire would look like.

Well...

Grenartia wrote:

Morrdh wrote:So the F-82 Twin Mustang has been added to War Thunder and I've been wondering what a Twin Spitfire would look like.

Well...

I wonder if they ever tried to secretly make Do-335 inspired versions of the Mustang and the Spitfire...