Excalibur Squadron OOC 2: The Song Remains the Same

[Monfrox]

You're barking up the wrong tree, boyo. My expertise lie in WW2 and after.

[Len Hyet]

So, Yanks, I require your help. Much as I am an Englishman, I've always been somewhat fascinated by the U.S. Civil War. Something about the Confederacy and the Union has a certain romance to it. From a purely military point of view, there are obvious parallels with the Great War and, baring in mind the writings of Ludendorff and (to a lesser extent) Clausewitz, it's a total war.

Unfortunately, I don't know all that much about it and UK book shops are unfortunately light on the subject (which is unsurprising, despite the significant impact of the event). Don't really want to be wasting by meagre funds, shooting in the dark online, so, I put it to you - what are the best books on the Civil War (Mon, Tiger, Quebec, I get the feeling I'm looking to you here).

Bah, I'm offended! I'm very interested in the Civil War. You'll want to get The Civil War Trilogy: Gods and Generals / The Killer Angels / The Last Full Measure for sure. It's a slightly (though very slightly) dramatized account of the Civil War from beginning to end, rather objectively showing both sides of the conflict.

Also, does anyone here by chance read the Destroyermen series?

[Goram]

So, Yanks, I require your help. Much as I am an Englishman, I've always been somewhat fascinated by the U.S. Civil War. Something about the Confederacy and the Union has a certain romance to it. From a purely military point of view, there are obvious parallels with the Great War and, baring in mind the writings of Ludendorff and (to a lesser extent) Clausewitz, it's a total war.

Unfortunately, I don't know all that much about it and UK book shops are unfortunately light on the subject (which is unsurprising, despite the significant impact of the event). Don't really want to be wasting by meagre funds, shooting in the dark online, so, I put it to you - what are the best books on the Civil War (Mon, Tiger, Quebec, I get the feeling I'm looking to you here).

Bah, I'm offended! I'm very interested in the Civil War. You'll want to get The Civil War Trilogy: Gods and Generals / The Killer Angels / The Last Full Measure for sure. It's a slightly (though very slightly) dramatized account of the Civil War from beginning to end, rather objectively showing both sides of the conflict.

Also, does anyone here by chance read the Destroyermen series?

In the words of the movie Battle of Britain

"Didn't know you were with us"

But yeah, thanks man. Heard those books are good (so are the movies), but I'm looking for something a little more academic in nature?

[The Two Jerseys]

So, Yanks, I require your help. Much as I am an Englishman, I've always been somewhat fascinated by the U.S. Civil War. Something about the Confederacy and the Union has a certain romance to it. From a purely military point of view, there are obvious parallels with the Great War and, baring in mind the writings of Ludendorff and (to a lesser extent) Clausewitz, it's a total war.

Unfortunately, I don't know all that much about it and UK book shops are unfortunately light on the subject (which is unsurprising, despite the significant impact of the event). Don't really want to be wasting by meagre funds, shooting in the dark online, so, I put it to you - what are the best books on the Civil War (Mon, Tiger, Quebec, I get the feeling I'm looking to you here).

Your best bets are probably James M. McPherson's Battle Cry of Freedom and Shelby Foote's three-volume The Civil War: A Narrative. They're pretty much the yardstick for Civil War history.

[Monfrox]

Bah, I'm offended! I'm very interested in the Civil War. You'll want to get The Civil War Trilogy: Gods and Generals / The Killer Angels / The Last Full Measure for sure. It's a slightly (though very slightly) dramatized account of the Civil War from beginning to end, rather objectively showing both sides of the conflict.

Also, does anyone here by chance read the Destroyermen series?

In the words of the movie Battle of Britain

"Didn't know you were with us"

But yeah, thanks man. Heard those books are good (so are the movies), but I'm looking for something a little more academic in nature?

IIRC didn't the British try to take advantage of the US during the Civil War somehow?

[Gibberan]

In the words of the movie Battle of Britain

"Didn't know you were with us"

But yeah, thanks man. Heard those books are good (so are the movies), but I'm looking for something a little more academic in nature?

IIRC didn't the British try to take advantage of the US during the Civil War somehow?

Sort of

Also,
I'm a Yankee Doodle Dandy,
A Yankee Doodle, do or die;
A real live nephew of my Uncle Sam,
Born on the Fourth of July.
I've got a Yankee Doodle sweetheart,
She's my Yankee Doodle joy.
Yankee Doodle came to London, just to ride the ponies;
I am the Yankee Doodle Boy!

And, yes, I copy/pasted that fom Wikipedia

[Goram]

IIRC didn't the British try to take advantage of the US during the Civil War somehow?

Sort of

The Trent Affair is hardly the British taking advantage. The British did, however, supply the Confederacy with a degree of materiel support which the South couldn't adequately manufacture alone (i.e. rifled cannon and at least two ships, one of which was the raider CSS Alabama). At the same time, the British traded with the Union as well, so, it's swings and roundabouts really.

[Gibberan]

Sort of

The Trent Affair is hardly the British taking advantage. The British did, however, supply the Confederacy with a degree of materiel support which the South couldn't adequately manufacture alone (i.e. rifled cannon and at least two ships, one of which was the raider CSS Alabama). At the same time, the British traded with the Union as well, so, it's swings and roundabouts really.

The British public, for the most part anyway, supported the Union due to many being largely opposed to the continuation of slavery, which was established as a major objective in the war after the Emancipation Proclamation. It was mainly the higher-ups in the government who favored the Confederacy due to Britain's cotton and textile imports from them. Most likely due to public opinion, PM Palmerston rejected any intervention, even a British-French coalition supporting the South.

However I'm not very knowledgeable about the Civil War anyway, it's more the Spanish-American War and onward for me.

[The Two Jerseys]

Also,
I'm a Yankee Doodle Dandy,
A Yankee Doodle, do or die;
A real live nephew of my Uncle Sam,
Born on the Fourth of July.
I've got a Yankee Doodle sweetheart,
She's my Yankee Doodle joy.
Yankee Doodle came to London, just to ride the ponies;
I am the Yankee Doodle Boy!

And, yes, I copy/pasted that fom Wikipedia

"You shouldn't have to copy it, you doity rat!

Now go watch Yankee Doodle Dandy until you've memorized it!"

[Len Hyet]

Bah, I'm offended! I'm very interested in the Civil War. You'll want to get The Civil War Trilogy: Gods and Generals / The Killer Angels / The Last Full Measure for sure. It's a slightly (though very slightly) dramatized account of the Civil War from beginning to end, rather objectively showing both sides of the conflict.

Also, does anyone here by chance read the Destroyermen series?

In the words of the movie Battle of Britain

"Didn't know you were with us"

But yeah, thanks man. Heard those books are good (so are the movies), but I'm looking for something a little more academic in nature?

You'd be surprised. They're extremely accurate and very well done. They've been included in my school's Civil War class for... I want to say five years now.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

The Foote 3-parter and the Shaara books pretty much do it for me on that score.

[Kassaran]

The Trent Affair is hardly the British taking advantage. The British did, however, supply the Confederacy with a degree of materiel support which the South couldn't adequately manufacture alone (i.e. rifled cannon and at least two ships, one of which was the raider CSS Alabama). At the same time, the British traded with the Union as well, so, it's swings and roundabouts really.

The British public, for the most part anyway, supported the Union due to many being largely opposed to the continuation of slavery, which was established as a major objective in the war after the Emancipation Proclamation. It was mainly the higher-ups in the government who favored the Confederacy due to Britain's cotton and textile imports from them. Most likely due to public opinion, PM Palmerston rejected any intervention, even a British-French coalition supporting the South.

However I'm not very knowledgeable about the Civil War anyway, it's more the Spanish-American War and onward for me.

Ah, the Brits if I recall correctly actually called off the support primarily due to the fact that the South wasn't showing enough independence from the Union through the blockade of the South and the South had actually been giving England so much cotton in the years leading up to the war, that using their other cotton suppliers, they could just take the surplus from the south they'd gained, and not suffer much economically.

BTW Shaara is an incredible write, I have Rise to Rebellion in my Library somewhere.

[The Tamerelian Empire]

Sean Connery was a great choice for the Captain, Tig/Gren.

[Goram]

Sean Connery was a great choice for the Captain, Tig/Gren.

[spoiler=Is this his uniform?](Image)[/spoiler]

Zardoz. We meet again.

[Gibberan]

Sean Connery was a great choice for the Captain, Tig/Gren.

(Image)

I have GOT to see that movie, it keeps getting mentioned.

EDIT: BAH, YOU'RE OFFLINE!

[The Two Jerseys]

Sean Connery was a great choice for the Captain, Tig/Gren.

(Image)

I have GOT to see that movie, it keeps getting mentioned.

EDIT: BAH, YOU'RE OFFLINE!

It was just on TCM a couple of weeks ago.

It's also been on my DVR for a couple weeks.

Don't fucking judge me.

[Gibberan]

I have GOT to see that movie, it keeps getting mentioned.

EDIT: BAH, YOU'RE OFFLINE!

It was just on TCM a couple of weeks ago.

It's also been on my DVR for a couple weeks.

Don't fucking judge me.

Last movie I saw was Clue.

It was pretty funny, but also sorta sucked. I liked it though.

[Grenartia]

I'm currently enjoying a Community DVR watchathon

[The Two Jerseys]

I'm currently enjoying a Community DVR watchathon

You mean a Community Dean-VR watchathon.

[Grenartia]

I'm currently enjoying a Community DVR watchathon

You mean a Community Dean-VR watchathon.

Yes.

Deanit, now I've got to Chang my post.

[Morrdh]

So the F-82 Twin Mustang has been added to War Thunder and I've been wondering what a Twin Spitfire would look like.

Well...

[Monfrox]

So the F-82 Twin Mustang has been added to War Thunder and I've been wondering what a Twin Spitfire would look like.

Well...

[Grenartia]

So the F-82 Twin Mustang has been added to War Thunder and I've been wondering what a Twin Spitfire would look like.

Well...

I wonder if they ever tried to secretly make Do-335 inspired versions of the Mustang and the Spitfire...

[The Two Jerseys]

So the F-82 Twin Mustang has been added to War Thunder and I've been wondering what a Twin Spitfire would look like.

Well...

I wonder if they ever tried to secretly make Do-335 inspired versions of the Mustang and the Spitfire...

I think after the P-52 through P-58, the USAAF realized that pusher layouts are crap compared to tractors, then when jet engines came out they said "I want to go to there..." and stuck with them.

As for the Spit, the design process probably went something like this:
Nigel: "I say, have you seen this new Jerry aeroplane?"
Rupert: "Which one?"
Nigel: "The one with an engine at both the front and at the back."
Rupert: "Sounds rather odd."
Nigel: "Indeed, but it is fast."
Rupert: "I should think so."
Nigel: "Do you think we should try that design with the Spitfire?"
Rupert: "I don't know, it would rather ruin the look of the Spitfire, wouldn't it?"
Nigel: "Yes, quite right. Best not then."
Rupert: "Jolly good then. Fancy a spot of tea?"
Nigel: "Yes, that sounds lovely!"

[Gibberan]

GOD I HATE SATs