Excalibur Squadron OOC 2: The Song Remains the Same

[Gibberan]

Man, Gib, Carter's a sensitive sort!

I'm assuming you've never watched Hogan's Heroes?

[The Tiger Kingdom]

Man, Gib, Carter's a sensitive sort!

I'm assuming you've never watched Hogan's Heroes?

I have, actually, but that Carter seems to be much more of a goofball than your Carter here. Are they actually meant to be the same person?

[Gibberan]

I'm assuming you've never watched Hogan's Heroes?

I have, actually, but that Carter seems to be much more of a goofball than your Carter here. Are they actually meant to be the same person?

No, I merely based my Carter heavily off the one from HH. However, in the near future I intend for Carter to grow to resemble his counterpart in his antics.

[Grenartia]

What would be the RAF equivalent of a Company Clerk?

[The Tiger Kingdom]

What would be the RAF equivalent of a Company Clerk?

I personally don't know for sure, but I think the term is Administration Clerk?

[Morrdh]

What would be the RAF equivalent of a Company Clerk?

I personally don't know for sure, but I think the term is Administration Clerk?

Yes it is.

[Grenartia]

I personally don't know for sure, but I think the term is Administration Clerk?

Yes it is.

Muchas gracias, to the two of you.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

Yes it is.

Muchas gracias, to the two of you.

No problem.
On a mostly unrelated note, does anyone else play Wargame: Airland Battle? And if so, what's your favorite faction?

[Gibberan]

Something I've been meaning to do

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- Name of Nominator: Andrew Carter
- Rank of Nominator: Flying Officer
- Name of Nominee: Adolf von Vegesacke
- Rank of Nominee: Flight Sergeant
- Decoration Deserved: Distinguished Flying Medal
- Actions Meriting Said Decoration: Taking Command of Gold Flight during the closing stages of Operation Highwire and successfully directing them to protect the captured Junkers transport by drawing the Bf-109 fighters away from it so the personnel inside could parachute out.

Are we allowed to nominate ourselves?

[Goram]

Something I've been meaning to do

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- Name of Nominator: Andrew Carter
- Rank of Nominator: Flying Officer
- Name of Nominee: Adolf von Vegesacke
- Rank of Nominee: Flight Sergeant
- Decoration Deserved: Distinguished Flying Cross
- Actions Meriting Said Decoration: Taking Command of Gold Flight during the closing stages of Operation Highwire and successfully directing them to protect the captured Junkers transport by drawing the Bf-109 fighters away from it so the personnel inside could parachute out.

Are we allowed to nominate ourselves?

A Mention in Dispatches seems like it would be more appropriate?

[Kouralia]

Something I've been meaning to do

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- Name of Nominator: Andrew Carter
- Rank of Nominator: Flying Officer
- Name of Nominee: Adolf von Vegesacke
- Rank of Nominee: Flight Sergeant
- Decoration Deserved: Distinguished Flying Cross
- Actions Meriting Said Decoration: Taking Command of Gold Flight during the closing stages of Operation Highwire and successfully directing them to protect the captured Junkers transport by drawing the Bf-109 fighters away from it so the personnel inside could parachute out.

Are we allowed to nominate ourselves?

A Mention in Dispatches seems like it would be more appropriate?

IIRC he's also completely illegible for that award, what with him not being an Officer.

Giving him a third tier gallantry medal for that act seems kinda high.

[Goram]

A Mention in Dispatches seems like it would be more appropriate?

IIRC he's also completely illegible for that award, what with him not being an Officer.

Giving him a third tier gallantry medal for that act seems kinda high.

Exactamundo.

[The Two Jerseys]

A Mention in Dispatches seems like it would be more appropriate?

IIRC he's also completely illegible for that award, what with him not being an Officer.

Giving him a third tier gallantry medal for that act seems kinda high.

Yeah, DFCs were for officers, DFMs for ORs.

[Monfrox]

I can't help it but every time I see DFC I think Delicious Flat Chest.

I blame my friends who watch ten times the anime I do.

They are corrupting me. >->

[Gibberan]

IIRC he's also completely illegible for that award, what with him not being an Officer.

Giving him a third tier gallantry medal for that act seems kinda high.

Yeah, DFCs were for officers, DFMs for ORs.

Right, will change it.

Something I've been meaning to do

Code: Select all

- Name of Nominator: Andrew Carter
- Rank of Nominator: Flying Officer
- Name of Nominee: Adolf von Vegesacke
- Rank of Nominee: Flight Sergeant
- Decoration Deserved: Distinguished Flying Cross
- Actions Meriting Said Decoration: Taking Command of Gold Flight during the closing stages of Operation Highwire and successfully directing them to protect the captured Junkers transport by drawing the Bf-109 fighters away from it so the personnel inside could parachute out.

Are we allowed to nominate ourselves?

A Mention in Dispatches seems like it would be more appropriate?

What do you mean?

[Goram]

Giving him a third tier gallantry medal for that act seems kinda high.

That is what I mean. If you want to recommend Vegesack for some sort of decoration (though I'm not sure one is merited, if I'm being honest) this is the appropriate one. Mention in Dispatches.

If we were giving out DFC/DFM's for engaging the enemy, even against long odds, the entire squadron would have multiple bars by now.

[Kouralia]

Giving him a third tier gallantry medal for that act seems kinda high.

That is what I mean. If you want to recommend Vegesack for some sort of decoration (though I'm not sure one is merited, if I'm being honest) this is the appropriate one. Mention in Dispatches.

If we were giving out DFC/DFM's for engaging the enemy, even against long odds, the entire squadron would have multiple bars by now.

Yeah, MiD is basically 'did something noteworthy', which is basically all he did. His citation for a third tier gallantry medal would otherwise read in a manner comparable to 'Sergeant Smith led his platoon in action against the Enemy following the wounding of Lieutenant Doe.'

[Goram]

Kour, what's going on with your flag?

You seem to have a chef w/bacon, a fellow wearing a British army shako and this chap from the Falklands.

[Morrdh]

(Image)

The Falklands; L1A1 SLR laughs at your smaller calibre rifle with fully automatic fire.

[Kouralia]

Kour, what's going on with your flag?

You seem to have a chef w/bacon, a fellow wearing a British army shako and this chap from the Falklands.

(Image)

Poland balls of Kouralia.

Middle is the original, wearing a rifles beret (because I'm a Rifles CCF Cadet IRL and I like it), with a union flag because I'm British and an eyetie flag because I like Italy. Left is a chef with bacon because Kouralia ICly really loves bacon. Right is Royal Guards Ceremonial Full Dress shako with the L63A5 and wooden furniture.

[Monfrox]

Wish I had a Monball...

[Goram]

Kour, what's going on with your flag?

You seem to have a chef w/bacon, a fellow wearing a British army shako and this chap from the Falklands.

(Image)

Poland balls of Kouralia.

Middle is the original, wearing a rifles beret (because I'm a Rifles CCF Cadet IRL and I like it), with a union flag because I'm British and an eyetie flag because I like Italy. Left is a chef with bacon because Kouralia ICly really loves bacon. Right is Royal Guards Ceremonial Full Dress shako with the L63A5 and wooden furniture.

Ah. Fair enough. Took me a while to work out what an L63A5 was, not a weapon in the British inventory. Can only assume it's a IC weapon?

[Kouralia]

Poland balls of Kouralia.

Middle is the original, wearing a rifles beret (because I'm a Rifles CCF Cadet IRL and I like it), with a union flag because I'm British and an eyetie flag because I like Italy. Left is a chef with bacon because Kouralia ICly really loves bacon. Right is Royal Guards Ceremonial Full Dress shako with the L63A5 and wooden furniture.

Ah. Fair enough. Took me a while to work out what an L63A5 was, not a weapon in the British inventory. Can only assume it's a IC weapon?

Yes. L63 was adopted in 1950 and is totally not a fusion of the MAS-49 and SMLE aesthetics. It was gradually supplanted by Not!EM2 as of ~'50s, with the L63 beginning to use the new 'Paratrooper Carbine's .280 round soon after. It remained in service until 2000s when the Kouralian Government needed a new rifle, which was between an updated L63 (the A4) and the R1A2 rifle. The R1A2 bull-pup won out, but in 2007 the A5 was brought back into service with modular furniture for the Guards Division - wooden for parade etc. and polymer/metal for operations. Mostly because :bullpup on parade:.

[Le-Quebec]

That is what I mean. If you want to recommend Vegesack for some sort of decoration (though I'm not sure one is merited, if I'm being honest) this is the appropriate one. Mention in Dispatches.

If we were giving out DFC/DFM's for engaging the enemy, even against long odds, the entire squadron would have multiple bars by now.

Yeah, MiD is basically 'did something noteworthy', which is basically all he did. His citation for a third tier gallantry medal would otherwise read in a manner comparable to 'Sergeant Smith led his platoon in action against the Enemy following the wounding of Lieutenant Doe.'

I'm absolutely flattered by this conversation.

By the way Gibs, Vegesack's not even a Flight Sergeant; he's been stuck at Sergeant, the minimal rank to fly in combat, ever since he finished his crash courses in flying a Spitfire back during the Dunkirk evacuations. I find that his lowly rank adds to his character.

IIRC the Aussies probably were the best ones at COIN in Vietnam coming from their experience in Malaya, hell the VC hated operating in Aussie controlled sectors as they found their ambushes being ambushed by the Aussies.

Though not a complete picture of the Paras in NI, it is something they're pretty central to; Bloody Sunday

I do know of the Paras' actions in that instance. I do listen to U2, after all.
And I'm not too inherently familiar with how well the Aussies did at COIN.
Just judging from quick wiki analysis, I'd say they were pretty much on the level of the Marines.

It also should be noted that the USMC didn't just cooperate with the ARVN, as the minimal Army doctrine put it, but also fully integrated ARVN and VRF squads into Marine ones and vice versa to form "Combined Action Platoons". For all those reasons that you already specified, I'd have to nominate USMC Major General Lew Walt as one of the most underrated military commanders in modern history.

As a fun fact, the traditional statement that the US Army in Vietnam possessed a clear advantage in firepower and equipment is somewhat a half-truth on the tactical level: while US battalions and regiments often left their heavy weapons, such as mortars, howitzers, and recoilless rifles, at base camps and fortified strongpoints in order to help increase ease of movement and mobility of their infantry in field and as well as bolster territorial defensive capabilities; firepower for these converted light purpose units was to be provided by generous long range artillery and air support when out of range of these static elements. PAVN (NVA) and NLF (VC) equivalents were equipped with considerable numbers of said firepower "up front" in the line of battle. Thus, a PAVN or NLF infantry company typically possessed more mortars and heavy weapons than US counterparts on a toe-to-toe level. The game breaker for the latter was of the simple fact that the US and SEATO possessed undeniable air superiority.

Given that fact, communist forces commonly held an advantage over their adversaries in the opening minutes, or hours if extraordinarily lucky, of an engagement. This helps explain the Battle of La Drang quite clearly, with forward elements of the US Army's 7th Cavalry Regiment on the verge of being encircled and destroyed until massive air and artillery support was thrown into the fray.

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[Kassaran]

Wish I had a Monball...

Most of us do, most of us do...